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Old 08-16-2010, 05:55 PM
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Last Saturday-Springfield MO. gun show-with my grandson, and son in law-Exchanging stories with a vendor about the stupid people who don't know how to handle firearms-then "boom!" Everything stops-someone fired a weapon about 60 feet away! Luckily the round went thru a table-fragmented on the floor. THEN they make an announcement that you should leave your carry gun in the car-that the person who shot the gun had pulled it out of a bag to show it to someone...30 seconds later most of the macho men went back to flagging each other with guns while looking at them.
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Probably the first time in four years I missed that show.

I don't get it...they check and band all weapons at the door. Did this guy sneak it in somehow?
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It seems that gun show discharges are becoming more and more frequent.. it really doesn't say anything good about gun owners.
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(A) It's always loaded and (B) keep your finger away from the trigger. Not too hard is it???
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I don't get it...they check and band all weapons at the door. Did this guy sneak it in somehow?
There is a small but dedicated group of stupid people. Macho types who insist their right to carry includes anyplace they wish. Then when someone has a holster or set of grips, out it comes. Again, with complete impunity to rules, common sense, or whatever. Remember, its in the Constitution.

Sooner or later these types will be forced to enter a metal detector. Its the only way to stop them. Everyone feels confident of their gun handling skills. Those who are the most insistent probably display the worst habits. I don't even care how bad your gun skills are in private. You can do what you please when you're alone. If the only ones around are you wife, kids and grand kids, at least the risk will be borne by those with bad heredity.

What I do object to is the carelessness foisted upon other innocent gun show patrons. At the average gun show, we're swept by literally hundreds of muzzles. Its why we check and check again. If as a patron you ever see a gun without a wire tie, be very afraid. Most of us who go as vendors or customers prefer being safe. Anyone who gets on his horse about his rights is probably very unsafe. Its a rare attendee who hasn't heard the gunshot. The reaction is always the same. Dead silence accompanied by everyone either pivoting in the direction of the gunshot, or some hitting the deck. Its a memorable experience.
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It seems that gun show discharges are becoming more and more frequent.. it really doesn't say anything good about gun owners.
+1 there's some real clowns out there. I don't trust anyone, no matter how many guns you own, or if you carry a badge for that matter.
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And still yet some insist there is no need/reason to require any level of training/qualifications to carry a gun.

Be safe.
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I was at a gunshow a few years back and I was looking at some pistols in a case on a vendors table when some guy walks up and gets the proprietors attention and under his jacket pulls out a small flap holster and he pulls out a Walther PPK that was so neglected it looked as if someone tilled it up from the back 40. He was showing it to the guy behind the table saying how it was his fathers onetime and he wanted to sell it. The guy behind the table takes hold of the pistol and ejects the loaded magazine and then with difficulty-probably due to all the rust-racks the slide back and out flings a cartridge on the floor. The guy behind the table told the guy your suppose to check guns at the door and the guy proceeds to say well you gonna make me an offer or give me a lecture. I don't know what happend next I left and moved on. I did not see that guy around the show again as I made the rounds around. I guess some people just don't get it.
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It seems that gun show discharges are becoming more and more frequent.. it really doesn't say anything good about gun owners.
I don't want to make this sound like how great the olden days were, but I've been attending gun shows since 1960 and I had never heard of an AD (or whatever you choose to call it) until the last few years. I think we have a lot of people coming into the shooting sports who have absolutely no training in how to handle firearms. Previously most males had military experience and that taught them some basic gun handling techniques. Today not one in ten has been in the military and everybody is "self taught" when it comes to how to handle firearms. Well, that is my best guess anyway!
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I don't want to make this sound like how great the olden days were, but I've been attending gun shows since 1960 and I had never heard of an AD (or whatever you choose to call it) until the last few years. I think we have a lot of people coming into the shooting sports who have absolutely no training in how to handle firearms. Previously most males had military experience and that taught them some basic gun handling techniques. Today not one in ten has been in the military and everybody is "self taught" when it comes to how to handle firearms. Well, that is my best guess anyway!
Self-taught would be an improvement.

My take on this is that these bozos learned everything they know about firearms handling from watching TV and movies.


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When I was a kid growing up in Michigan I took my first firearm safety course at 11 years old. It's amazing how well you learn when you're too young to think you know everything already.
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I don't want to make this sound like how great the olden days were, but I've been attending gun shows since 1960 and I had never heard of an AD (or whatever you choose to call it) until the last few years. I think we have a lot of people coming into the shooting sports who have absolutely no training in how to handle firearms. Previously most males had military experience and that taught them some basic gun handling techniques. Today not one in ten has been in the military and everybody is "self taught" when it comes to how to handle firearms. Well, that is my best guess anyway!
+1 on that. Hey, I'm not old enough to go back to 1960-- but, I do remember starting to go to the shows when I got out of college and that would have been 1970 and I also never remember any AD until the last ten years or so. Oh, I'm sure they happened, but just never heard about it like we do today.
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When I was a kid growing up in Michigan I took my first firearm safety course at 11 years old. It's amazing how well you learn when you're too young to think you know everything already.
You bring up another interesting point! Most states have been requiring for some time that kids take a Hunter Safety course before they can get a license and firearms handling is a part of those courses. Maybe the people involved in AD's are to old to have taken HS courses or maybe the courses are not effective.
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Interesting topic - In 30 + years visiting gun shows, I have witnessed three accidental discharges. The last was a dropped bag of .223 reloads.
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Wow, I had planned on attending this show Saturday. Glad I was unable to make it. Lucky no one was injured.
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There have always been Bozos. There are just more of them now, because there are a whole lot more people. When I was going to shows in the early seventies, there were probably on average little more than half as many people in the same venues where the shows are held today. Twice as many people, twice as many Bozos, twice the chance of an AD.

Also contributing to the problem is the proliferation of the Glop style semi-auto handgun. Accidents waiting to happen. Put 25 loaded Model 10s in the hands of 25 Bozos, and 25 loaded Glops in the hands of 25 more Bozos, where's the first AD going to happen?
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I've been going to gun shows since about 1970. Never was there when they had an AD. One fellow told me of a Winchester 10 gauge cannon he had that some dolt loaded with a cal 50 round and then fired it off. The concussion was deafening,and the resulting silence even more so. The gun held together; the projectile went across the room, throught a cinder block wall and one side of a metal locker. No injuries, but it was really LOUD.
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Also contributing to the problem is the proliferation of the Glop style semi-auto handgun. Accidents waiting to happen. Put 25 loaded Model 10s in the hands of 25 Bozos, and 25 loaded Glops in the hands of 25 more Bozos, where's the first AD going to happen?
To the first bozo whom has put his/her finger inside the trigger guard, I'd opine. Neither weapon has a safety so I don't see what the difference would be.

I'm kind of new at this compared to others--About 1966 when the US Army lent me some weapons--but I've never seen any type of weapon go off w/ out the aforementioned "bozo" messing w/ it.
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Unfortunately, even taking into account the improvements in technology I believe that humans as a group are becoming less intelligent rather than increasing knowledge. The neanderthals in full camo schlumping through gun shows are one example, but things that were common sense knowledge when I was younger are dumbed down now so that the lowest life forms can have the same rights and privileges as those who have the brains to think their way through a day of their life. Driving a car is a great example. Simple rules of the road, how to use a freeway on ramp to enter traffic flow, what to do at a four way blinking light, how to stop when the police pull you over (not run until you crash). Gun show discharges just reinforce that those who in the past would have been fringe issues in society are now in the forefront because "we just need to all be equal". Perhaps we should be required to pass a minimum IQ test to be able to have a gun. It's only going to get worse as our country continues its transformation to socialism and the european model of how to place everyone in the same box. Sad but true.
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I've been going to gun shows for 40 years and have never seen an accidental or negligent discharge. I did see one guy who grabbed a 44 magnum off a table and ran for the door. He must not have known that persons who frequent gun shows are law and order types who do not remain spectators when felonious acts occur in front of them. It was over in less time than it takes to read this post.
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