Read an interesting article in a recent gun magazine written by Massad Ayoob whom I read and trust in his knowledge unlike some other gun rag writers....The article was about what would you do if you came across a female about to shoot, knife or try and kill you or someone else....Would you shoot as fast as you would a male perp?....I'm talking about a citizen with a CCP not a Police officer as I know their training would kick in no matter what the sex or even a child with a firearm pointing at them, thats their job and I for one am glad they are there to do it....(Thank all you police officers and fire fighters for what you do).....My question is would you as a legally armed citizen fire on a female as fast as you would a male which made me really think about it....I'm not so sure I would,...I was always taught that a man should never try to harm or strike a female and if it came down to it I think I might just hesitate a second which might just get me killed but I really think I would...If the perp was a man there would be no hesitation at all on my part to fire back first....What do y'all think???

Interesting choice of words.You refer to your self and the perp. as a Man.You refer to the woman as a female.I was always taught to never hurt a "Lady".

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You are right sir, let me rephrase that, I was taught that a man should never harm a Lady but if that Lady had a gun and started to point it in my direction I really think in my heart of hearts that I might hesitate longer than if the perp was a gentleman....hows that...

I think there is a natural reluctance to shoot a woman or a child. Understandably either could shoot you as dead as any man.

Link to the article, please. But if Mr. Ayoob is attempting to differentiate (somehow) between humans who try to kill other humans...hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Be safe.

If the woman is about to shoot somebody, odds are she ain't no Lady.

Thank You Iggy.I think we can bet Gun Smoke is talking about a female perp in police lingo.

Calling a woman or Lady a female don't work for me.Unless I'm watching Jerry Springer.

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I guess it would depend on who she was shooting and why...

Okay, let's presume (this is, after all, a Forum of law abiding citizens) she's shooting a bad person.

What say you now?

None of my business one way or the other. It's not my job to stop people from killing each other. I'm sure that they have their reasons.

To answer the question, I might have a longer delay on pulling the trigger on a woman - particularly if the view was good.

this one can turn hot in a hurry given its array of real issues that will offend many.
as for myself ... I might be a little quicker on the trigger than I would against a man. Yeah I got the treatment of a lady memo kicked into my backside as hard and deep as anyone here.
Ive also seen plenty of women first hand that are evil personified. Deeper into the evil range than any man I have met. What is worse is that the female of the species, existing in the evil range of personality type, has no use for reason. She will commit to deadly force faster than anyone. As such, she must be dealt with in a more expedient manor than most males

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I would shoot quicker than with a man. When a woman 'goes off' they seem to do it more intensely, more emotionally and more passionately. I keep thinking of Clara Harris, the woman who ran over her husband repeatedly while his daughter was in the car with her. I have no doubt if she had a firearm she not only would have shot him, but shot him multiple times. I also remember Lorena Bobbitt. Back in high school(46 here) if two guys got into a fight they fought until one won the fight and it ended there. With the girls they seemed to try to literally kill each other and it never stopped with the one fight.

As GF said, if the person was trying to hurt someone else, (not my kids), it's not my job.
If the person was trying to hurt me, I'm not going to bother inspecting their plumbing before I stop them.

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Pete.

Anyone who spent any time in that green hell of Viet Nam would not and could not be reluctant to shoot an armed woman or child if he wanted to come home alive. Those who hesitated were sent home in a box.

I learned log ago, treat a lady like a lady, till she proves otherwise

M. Falcon

I believe in equality, totally and without reservation.

Treat me well and I will return it to you in spades.

The alternative is also true.

I came out alive. A buddy of mine spent the rest of his military career in a military prison for fatally shooting a VN civilian lady that was armed.

There were a lot of armed people both here and there but we did not run around shooting them.

I read the article a few days ago and thought it very good, I spent the last 18 years or so working in a female prison. Let me tell you they are women out there who WILL NOT hesitate to kill you or your loved ones and then laugh about it.

Some look like gun molls, some look like models some look like the innocent child or grandmother but they all have taken a life. Mostly for profit or revenge. I have one out there who in 1989 was a beauty quenn pageant winner, she garrotted her ex's new girlfriend. We have a young woman who at 15 years old helped in a home invasion of an elderly couple, her and her friends tortured the couple on camera until they were dead.

So don't let gender or age fool you.

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Stan

dont worry ... I wont .. Ive met plenty of your potential clients

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I'd probably be dead. If she looked like Helen Thomas I wouldn't be looking in that direction. If she looked like Angelina Jolie I probably wouldn't notice what she was holding.

I'd fire on a woman, depending on what time of the month it is.

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Thirty characters. Exactly...

Some time ago, while going through my North Carolina concealed carry qualification course, my instructor related a story. He, a deputy sheriff, was explaining the NC law and the fact that citizens have no law enforcement responsibility or arrest powers. He told us of a gentlemen, who was armed with a deer rifle in his truck, traveling on a rural road when he noticed another gentleman holding a woman at gunpoint. He stopped and called out to the gentleman who told him to butt out. The good Samaritan loaded his rifle, pointed it at the gentleman and ordered him to lay down his pistol. The gentleman turned and pointed his pistol in the general direction of the Samaritan and was promptly shot in the head. According to the deputy it turned out that the dead man had actually been defending himself from the woman who had just stabbed him in the stomach. The Samaritan was arrested, tried, and convicted of manslaughter. I have no official confirmation of this and it all may have been a tall tale made up to impress us with the possibilities. The lesson is that you probably should not intervene in a law enforcement matter unless you or a family member is the potential victim.

FrankD

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sona si latine loqueris .

this outlines one of my first philosophies on calling in law enforcement ... they arrive with at best 10% of the story ... odds for error are high. Likewise, unless your living it start to finish, you are not qualified to do the right thing. You might not know what that is

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In a self defense situation I'd shoot at any person without hesistation no matter what sex, age, whatever.

Watch the gun.
Watch the eyes.
Nothing else matters.

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Regards,
Lee Jarrett

The department where I qualify uses several different targets for multi-target shooting... one of them is a female. Probably a good idea to identify and shoot at 'threats,' not necessarily men vs. women or any other differentiation.

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I have the Moral Flexability to shoot women just as fast as men due to my belief that weapons create equality.

Jungle Work

When I started as a correctional officer I was in a male prison, they asked for volunteers for the female system because they couldn't get anyone to go. I figured I would have fewer problems and fights so i volunteered.


Well the fewer problems never happened, my first year in the female system I met 3 women who rbbed banks together, one would babysit and the other two would rob the bank, they switched jobs after each robbery. It worked for awhile until they got caught.


I also had to supervise a woman who had killed her infant child (we get a lot of those) she wanted to go out on a date and she had 3 other children and the infant, she had no babysitter so she left her older children to fend for themselves and because the baby would not stop crying. She placed the baby in the closet so it would not disturb anyone. By the time the baby was found she was dead and had carpet fibers in her stomach, the woman could not understand why she was in prison.

We had a woman who was a prostitute in northern Wisconsin and when she was so infected with disease that she had to have a closotmy bag she pimped out her children in bars.

After 18 years here Ihave more of those type of stories so I know that females can be as bad a perp as any male.

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I agree with Lee watch the perp. I'm from the old school of Armed and Dangerous, Hesitate and Dead.

Exactly why the bad guys were using them against us in Iraq. They knew we would pause....at least once.

I think that as a man there would be a reluctance to shoot a woman or child even in defense of one's own life. It's the end product of the way we were raised. Unfortunately, in some quarters of today's society, woman and lady are not necessarily synonymous and a "child" with "a 9" might just kill your butt. Let's all hope that we never get put in such situation that tests our "reluctance".

Yep, it's a cultural thing. After nearly 30 years in law enforcement, I still find myself much less physically forceful with females needing to be restrained and controlled. I know I shouldn't, I recover quickly when the initial reduced level of force doesn't work, I chew myself out each time it happens, and yet it happens again.

So far, it hasn't involved a woman with a firearm or a knife. I would hope my training would overcome my (unjustified) surprise.