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I have been advised by one Miz Wanda Fields of Lebanon, Virginia, that the correct pronunciation is indeed "Appa-latcha," and most definitely not "Appa- laycha." As she says, "Y'all don't call that city in Florida "Appa-laycha-cola," do ya?"
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I am among those language fanatics who insist on proper usage; however my 30 year-old Webster's does have definitions for "gift" and "disrespect" as transitive verbs. I certainly would agree that they don't sound quite correct when used that way, and I suspect that the editors of my dictionary were somewhat "progressive" in their approach to their task.
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I'm not so sure that they were "progressive." My 85-year-old Webster's Unabridged says the same thing about "disrespect." One has to be careful about assuming the worst of either rednecks or older Blacks - at least some of their speech has more classical origins than one might suspect.
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One has to be careful about assuming the worst of either rednecks or older Blacks - at least some of their speech has more classical origins than one might suspect.
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520: I don't doubt what you've said, but I'm scratching my head trying to figure out what the above statement has to do with what I said. Maybe you were referring to some other folks' posts??
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24:7:365 Nope. It's 24:7:52!
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Indeed. Just a few references a bit later than two years ago...
1608 W. SCLATER Malachy (1650) 197 See how the Lord gifted him above his brethren. 1621 SANDERSON 12 Serm. (1637) 396 If God have not gifted us for it, he hath not called us to it. 1749 FIELDING Tom Jones I. v, Nothing but the inspiration with which we writers are gifted can possibly enable anyone to make the discovery. 1834 T. MEDWIN Angler in Wales I. 290 How admirably Nature had provided..by gifting it [the salmon] with a form of all others the best adapted for [etc.]. 1844 MRS. BROWNING Rom. Swan's Nest, The world must love and fear him Whom I gift with heart and hand. 1884 ROGERS 6 Cent. Work & Wages I. 126 Many settlements, which afterwards grew into towns, were gifted subsequently with parliamentary representation. 1619 J. SEMPILL Sacrilege 31 If they object, that tithes, being gifted to Levi, in official inheritance, can stand no longer than Levi [etc.]. a1639 SPOTTISWOOD Hist. Ch. Scot. v. (1677) 278 The recovery of a parcel of ground which the Queen had gifted to Mary Levinston. 1711 in A. McKay Hist. Kilmarnock (1880) 98 This bell was gifted by the Earl of Kilmarnock to the town of Kilmarnock for their Council~house. 1801 RANKEN Hist. France I. 301 Parents were prohibited from selling, gifting, or pledging their children. 1829 J. BROWN New Deeside Guide (1876) 19 College of Blairs..having been gifted to the Church of Rome by its proprietor. 1878 J. C. LEES Abbey of Paisley xix. 201 The Regent Murray gifted all the Church Property to Lord Sempill.
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520: I don't doubt what you've said, but I'm scratching my head trying to figure out what the above statement has to do with what I said. Maybe you were referring to some other folks' posts??
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It was really intended to be a general statement about two groups who, in my opinion based upon limited observation, are occasionally wrongly accused of using words with no justifiable basis. AFAIK, "disrespect" in years not too long past was used as a transitive verb mostly by Black folks. That's why I mentioned that group.
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And then there are some of us that have still another meaning for word "gift".
gift = present
gift = poison -- both noun and, with proper endings, a verb.
NOTE: When you send a gift to someone in certain countries, don't write "GIFT" in large letters on outside. Upsets the natives -- as in "Now why would that nice young lady send us poison?" Real story.
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The word for being susceptible to fire is flammable. I have no idea what inflammable means.
The word preventive is a perfectly good one, and adequately conveys the noun or adjective form of prevention. Why on earth it is necessary to add "at" to the middle of the spelling, resulting in the ridiculous word preventative is beyond me. After all, we do not say "preventation," do we?
A terminology error commited by those who should know better is presuming to quantify or qualify the word "unique." The word signifies that something is singular in its existence. You cannot get any more unique than unique. To say that something is "kind of unique", "very unique" or "almost unique" shows ignorance of the word itself.
The word decimate means to reduce something by one tenth. Tradition has it that the Roman legions, as revengeful punishment, decimated their ranks from time to time by picking every tenth man of a wayward outfit for death. That is the word's only meaning. To substituted decimate for annihilate is not proper or particularly erudite. During WWII, the German city of Dresden was virtually annihilated by firebombing, not decimated.
Another term I find often used in an erroneous and offensive manner: An immigrant is someone who has chosen, and been lawfully accepted for, resident citizenship in a country outside that of his birth.
An undocumented immigrant has no meaning to me, as it obfuscates any possible meaning with contradictory terms.
Confusing the term immigrant with illegal alien is but subterfuge for those who would confer citizenship on others without the blessing of legal procedure. It is particularly offensive when the motive for conferring citizenship in this manner is primarily to consolidate and perpetuate political power.
These are but a few of my pet peeves regarding usage and terminology. There are others, but these stand out in my mind.
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Aren't you going to try to buy another Smith & Wesson?
My kid graduated high school.
I'm not sure why, but this is just wrong. Beakers are graduated, as are scales. Is it so exhausting to utter one more word and say 'graduated from.....'?
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The word for being susceptible to fire is flammable. I have no idea what inflammable means.
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Was not the word inflammable used hundreds of years before flammable? According to what I have read, flammable wasn't a word until some dang rapper basketball player invented it around the 19th century.
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Another term I find often used in an erroneous and offensive manner: An immigrant is someone who has chosen, and been lawfully accepted for, resident citizenship in a country outside that of his birth.
An undocumented immigrant has no meaning to me, as it obfuscates any possible meaning with contradictory terms.
Confusing the term immigrant with illegal alien is but subterfuge for those who would confer citizenship on others without the blessing of legal procedure. It is particularly offensive when the motive for conferring citizenship in this manner is primarily to consolidate and perpetuate political power.
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That also rubs me.How about other newer and more up to date names to describe them?The latest being undocumented Americans.
The Cubans are often called "Cuban Exiles"or "Cuban Immigrants"when they should more properly be addressed as Cuban Refugees.But the media here can't seem to make that connection.
Great post.
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"Gift" does mean poison in German, a gift-as in a present-is "Geschenk".
"Inflammable" probably comes from inflame, it's confusing because "in" means "not"-as inadequate, indecent, etc.
My biggest peeve is people who use obscenity in casual conversation. Call me old fashioned or behind the times (OK, I am a Life Member of SNM-Sons of Neanderthal Man) but I was raised not to speak like that.
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Gift in German means poison. Someone learned me that.
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The curse of a living language, you'd never see this happening in Latin.
But then again, I can't understand those people down south nohow, noway y'all. (I'd put one of those smilies here, but don't know how).
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Geschenk is a gift.
The act of giving a gift is "schenkte".
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Gift in German means poison. Someone learned me that.
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I get really tired of people who drop the F bomb every other word, or interject it into a word between syllables.
caj, A noun used as a verb that i heard the other day seemed quite strange to me. A friend asked me if I would like to come over this weekend and BBQ and "hot tub"?
I grew up here in the Ozarks and I have learned not to nit pick peoples pronunciation or sentence structure. I am happy to just be able to grasp their meaning even if I have to inquire as to their meaning sometimes.
My Mom was born and raised here too and I grew up thinking that a ranch was a rainch.
Waspers build their nesters in fence posters, is what I heard from a teacher after I said waspers. I still say waspers.
Think I'll go hot tub.
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Gordon,
I hate to "raise" an objection, but I believe that your mother was "reared" in the Ozarks .
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So you're saying that you never heard anyone use the word gifted around you?
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Oh I hear it now, but I never heard it up until several years ago.
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I hate to "raise" an objection, but I believe that your mother was "reared" in the Ozarks .
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Gee. Is that an inuendo?
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Gee. Is that an inuendo?
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Nope, it is an inhisendo....
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This forum seems to be several cuts above others I frequent. Two are archery forums and many posters seem to be functionally illiterate. They have no concept of spelling, grammar, sentence structure, or punctuation. It's not uncommon to have one long rambling run on paragraph with no punctuation and tons of spelling errors.
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Why there are two, let alone even one, forums devoted to archery, baffles me --- I mean how much interest can people take in the architectural and structural nuances of piers, imposts, voussoirs, keystones, and other elements of arches? But, if these fora in fact exist, let's give these folks a little help...
"Functionally illiterate" That's good, never mind the motivation, littering is bad, not littering is good, and who are we to judge, or even care, why they may not be doing it, for functional, philosophical, or other reasons?
"Spelling" is an easy concept --- its like when you misguide the spout while pouring milk onto cereal...
"grammar" is one or another of your parents' mothers.
"sentence structure" is the set of guidelines used by judges to mete out punishment for crimes.
"punctuation" is, e.g., what happens when you drive over a bunch of "spelled" nails.
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Mye bigest peave iz peepul hoo kant spel.
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How about...
"old school", "back in the day", or "when I was comin' up" ?
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And to open a completely different "can of worms"; does "her and me" or "me and him" set anyone's teeth on edge?
(Come to think about it, people who start a sentence with the conjunction "and" should get no more than a "D" on their paper either. )
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Actually, "Tsunami" is more correct than "tidal wave", as the big waves have nothing to do with tides.
Hope I'm not being too pendantic here.
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Weer in Appalachee-uh.
Yure a flatlander.
Thare fixin to git in thare car an drive over thare(sic- yonder is more correct).
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Nope. He got reared in jail
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And to open a completely different "can of worms"; does "her and me" or "me and him" set anyone's teeth on edge?
(Come to think about it, people who start a sentence with the conjunction "and" should get no more than a "D" on their paper either. )
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"Her and me" is correct, quite often. The one that sets my teeth on edge is the folks that, when talking about two people, think it is always "he and I". No.
Subject of the sentence? Yes. "Susie and I went to dinner.". Object of a preposition? No. "The waiter brought menus to her and me." I would have used "us" in that sentence, but "her and me" is correct. To find out which is correct, drop the first person. "I went to dinner". Correct. "The waiter brought a menu to I". Wrong. "The waiter brought a menu to me". Right. If it's "me" when you're alone, it's also "me" when you're with someone.
You know whether to use "he" or "him", or "she" or "her" the same way.
"Her went to dinner"? No. "She went to dinner"? Yep. So it's "She and I went to dinner". "The waiter brought a menu to she"? No. "The waiter brought a menu to her"? Yes. If "The waiter brought a menu to she" is wrong, "The waiter brought menus to she and I" is also wrong.
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"Her and me" is correct, quite often. The one that sets my teeth on edge is the folks that, when talking about two people, think it is always "he and I". No.
Subject of the sentence? Yes. "Susie and I went to dinner.". Object of a preposition? No. "The waiter brought menus to her and me." I would have used "us" in that sentence, but "her and me" is correct. To find out which is correct, drop the first person. "I went to dinner". Correct. "The waiter brought a menu to I". Wrong. "The waiter brought a menu to me". Right. If it's "me" when you're alone, it's also "me" when you're with someone.
You know whether to use "he" or "him", or "she" or "her" the same way.
"Her went to dinner"? No. "She went to dinner"? Yep. So it's "She and I went to dinner". "The waiter brought a menu to she"? No. "The waiter brought a menu to her"? Yes. If "The waiter brought a menu to she" is wrong, "The waiter brought menus to she and I" is also wrong.
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I laughed out loud at this one!!!My pet peeve is the people on the news who say "Nevada" and "Colorado"- they are pronounced as in "Rad" not "Rod".Anyone in the west knows this.
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I laughed out loud at this one!!!My pet peeve is the people on the news who say "Nevada" and "Colorado"- they are pronounced as in "Rad" not "Rod".Anyone in the west knows this.
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You'd be wrong about that. Obviously, the people who live in those States weren't in Mrs. Bowen's second grade classroom at Brookwood Elementary School in Dalton Georgia when I was.
We learned then that it was "Nevoda" and "Colorodo" just as she said it was.
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You'd be wrong about that. Obviously, the people who live in those States weren't in Mrs. Bowen's second grade classroom at Brookwood Elementary School in Dalton Georgia when I was.
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And you're west of ----Florida? And i've heard people from these two states correct newscasters on the pronouncement of these States names.
Also,a question for the lawyers-is it "Pled" or "Pleaded",as in "He pled /pleaded guilty"?When i was a kid i heard it said pled-now it's said either pled or pleaded-usually pleaded.
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And you're west of ----Florida? And i've heard people from these two states correct newscasters on the pronouncement of these States names.
Also,a question for the lawyers-is it "Pled" or "Pleaded",as in "He pled /pleaded guilty"?When i was a kid i heard it said pled-now it's said either pled or pleaded-usually pleaded.
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When you're sober it's pleaded, when you've had a few, either an eye opener before court or at lunch, it's pled-less syllables to garble. It's embarassing to say pleadeded-the court reporters don't know how to spell it !
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My son's preschool has a big sign on the door of the administrator that says "Principle".
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To back to Jeff Cooper two words that were misused,
Decimate-to kill every 10th person, now used to indicate killing everyone.
Shrapnel - A specific type of artillery shell, now used for any type of metal or solid residue from an explosion.
Heard both misused by a tv news announcer today. Kind of miss the Col.lessons on the misuse of the english language. But the royal 'we' was tiresome in his writing.
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I just loves me some four year old thread!!
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Take two Geritol and call me in the morning.
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My biggest peeve is just how do you spell Caj...caj...caje? Upper case? Lower case? With the "e"? Without? I've seen it typed so many ways, and I can't find it in my Webster's or Oxford dictionary.
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The word for being susceptible to fire is flammable. I have no idea what inflammable means.
The word preventive is a perfectly good one, and adequately conveys the noun or adjective form of prevention. Why on earth it is necessary to add "at" to the middle of the spelling, resulting in the ridiculous word preventative is beyond me. After all, we do not say "preventation," do we?
A terminology error commited by those who should know better is presuming to quantify or qualify the word "unique." The word signifies that something is singular in its existence. You cannot get any more unique than unique. To say that something is "kind of unique", "very unique" or "almost unique" shows ignorance of the word itself.
The word decimate means to reduce something by one tenth. Tradition has it that the Roman legions, as revengeful punishment, decimated their ranks from time to time by picking every tenth man of a wayward outfit for death. That is the word's only meaning. To substituted decimate for annihilate is not proper or particularly erudite. During WWII, the German city of Dresden was virtually annihilated by firebombing, not decimated.
Another term I find often used in an erroneous and offensive manner: An immigrant is someone who has chosen, and been lawfully accepted for, resident citizenship in a country outside that of his birth.
An undocumented immigrant has no meaning to me, as it obfuscates any possible meaning with contradictory terms.
Confusing the term immigrant with illegal alien is but subterfuge for those who would confer citizenship on others without the blessing of legal procedure. It is particularly offensive when the motive for conferring citizenship in this manner is primarily to consolidate and perpetuate political power.
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The Oxford English Dictionary adds this usage note: Historically, flammable and inflammable mean the same thing. However, the presence of the prefix in- has misled many people into assuming that inflammable means "not flammable" or "noncombustible." The prefix -in in inflammable is not, however, the Latin negative prefix -in, which is related to the English -un and appears in such words as indecent and inglorious. Rather, this -in is an intensive prefix derived from the Latin preposition in. This prefix also appears in the word enflame. But many people are not aware of this derivation, and for clarity's sake it is advisable to use only flammable to give warnings.
Im´mi`grant
n. 1. One who immigrates; one who comes to a country for the purpose of permanent residence; - correlative of emigrant
Webster's New World College Dictionary also notes alien as a synonym.
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Historically, the meaning of the word decimate is ‘kill one in every ten of (a group of people)’. This sense has been more or less totally superseded by the later, more general sense ‘kill, destroy, or remove a large proportion of’, as in ‘the virus has decimated the population’. Some traditionalists argue that this is incorrect, but it is clear that it is now part of standard English
Not to dispute your use of the language, just results of some quick research on my part; previously I had held the older meaning of decimate as correct as you state.
I do agree that our language is muddied by careless syntax and misinterpretation .
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Gee. Is that an inuendo?
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more like inhisendo
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Times change and language with it. There are a lot more "babydaddys" than fathers these days as in, "He ain't nothing [to] me, he just one of my baby's daddy".
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