Who Killed JFK?

[Texas Star]

A well-known magazine has a feature this month on who killed JFK. Says the mob did it. Gives strong evidence why.

I agree; have thought that for years. It's about all that really makes much sense. I think that Oswald was just set up, as a distraction. Jack Ruby was among various real clues.

What's your view on this? Or, are you just tired of all the theories?

T-Star

[Andy Griffith]

Bacon and all the other good food groups.

Oh...that was Elvis. Sorry.

[JohnnieB]

I have it on high authority from a well placed source in an unnamed political party that Bush (43) did it.

I wonder how much money has been made on conspiricy theories?

John

[redlevel]

Originally Posted by Texas Star

Says the mob did it. Gives strong evidence why.

There is convincing evidence that the mob did it. There is a compelling case to be made that the CIA had him killed, with Lyin' B. Johnson's complicity. One of my favorite theories is that Fidel Castro had it done in retaliation for all the CIA attempts on Castro's life. (Remember the exploding cigars?)

Thing is, every one of these theories, no matter how plausible, can be countered with explanations discounting the theories that are just as plausible.

Lee Harvey Oswald, acting alone, killed him with a head shot from the Texas Schoolbook Depository with a surplus Italian Carcano, bought from Klein's in Chicago, and later killed Officer J. D. Tippit with a S&W Victory Model as the Officer walked around his police cruiser to confront Oswald.

Occam's Razor.

[feralmerril]

Personaly I always thought the mob bummped him off. Oswald set up as a patsy. Ruby had to bump oswald off to silence him as to who set him up. Young turks in the cia might have also been involved. There was just too much off the wall explainations, cover ups and killings involved to belive. Might have been cia pressured the mob that was already peed off and furnished them oswald a nut they probley controlled. The mob was really peed off at bobby, plus jacks playing around with judith exleter (sp wrong!) was either a plant or a victim. Hell this could have even started with the old mans playing around 20 years before that! The cubans were also betrayed and peed off from the bay of pigs. Young turks gets my best vote. Also remember the old man used the mob to buy union votes and bum votes in chicago to get jack in office and then bobby made the mob a vendetta. The thing is 3/4 of the world is young and dont remember, were educated in it all, or care about it and it gets buried with time. We are more interested in lady ga ga etc. Cant let it lets us forget to turn on dancing with the stars etc.

[Bullseye 2620]

What I know is this: the assassination of Jack Kennedy, followed by Martin Luther King and Bobby Kennedy, began the long slide into darkness on which we are still. While it is certain that elements within the CIA were furious with Jack Kennedy for pulling the air cover for the Bay of Pigs operation (don't ask me how I know that), that Sam Giancana and others in the Mob were furious with him for ending their sweet deal in Cuba, and that Castro had enough justification for a reprisal, none of these speculations has stood the test of time because of the simple fact that large organizations leak like sieves. Lee Harvey Oswald, acting alone, gets my vote. But again, it matters not. The fact that so many of us are willing to even entertain the idea of a massive cover-up of the murder of a President should tell us what we really need to know -- big institutions in this country are not trusted, and the corrosion continues day by day.


Bullseye

[ladder13]

They got the wrong one.

[Bullseye 2620]

Originally Posted by ladder13

They got the wrong one.

So, who's the right one?


Bullseye

[OKFC05]

are you just tired of all the theories?

There it is..........

[bk43]

The mob connection is the most fun IMHO. Ruby dined at Campisi's Egyptian Restaurant(the original on Mockingbird) the night before he shot Osward. The Campisi family ties to the mob, and the fact that Mafia big shots and famous hit men dined there often, is well know around Dallas.

Folks, this one will never die. It's like the Energizer Bunny ain't it.

Bob

[rockquarry]

There's been much conjecture but absolutely no evidence (proof) that contradicts the official and factual version of the incident.

[HspncElvis]

I agree. I think Oswald was set up. This is why I think the Mob did it....

Mob was making money in Cuba. Castro came in and kicked the Mob out of Cuba. Kennedy was to help remove Castro. My feeling is the Mob was ok with that. As we know, Castro was able to hold off the uprising from the Cuban rebels. Air support the Rebels thought they would receive from the US never showed up. (Bay Of Pigs) Kennedy was blamed for this communication break down. Rebels were sitting ducks. The Mob blamed Kennedy and put a contract out on him. The rest is history.

[nicky4968]

If you want to disregard the Warren Commission, you have to assume (A) Earl Warren put one over on J. Edgar Hoover; or, (B) J. Edgar Hoover put one over on Earl Warren.

Even in light of the above, I hold that Oswald was shooting at Connelly and missed.

[kewpie]

There is convincing evidence that the mob did it. There is a compelling case to be made that the CIA had him killed, with Lyin' B. Johnson's complicity.

FWIW -

Mob / CIA Often same outfit
LBJ = Brown & Root = Dredging Cameron (sp?) Bay in Vietnam = Halliburton. Brown goes back years and years before LBJ 'stepped into the line.' Started building a dam in TX, IIRC. Root 'joined up' a little later.

Many believe that Kennedy wanted to abolish the Federal Reserve. Many others believe the Federal Reserve was the 'finger that started the pebble that produced the avalanche' that smothered things in Dallas. It defiintely sponsored and still sponsors what some would call 'illicit gimmickry' re: who controls what in more places than the USA.

Get a chance - read the Book 'Secrets of the Federal Reserve.' by Eustace Mullins. After getting over the sick feeling it produces, it becomes enlightening. (I see his nephew is selling it now -- on eBay of all places!) Most of it is well-documented IIRC.

(Some, of course, will call the book invented propaganda and go back to watching the Olberman-Maddow circus to see if Matthews' leg can regain its 'tingle.')

[semperfi71]

nicky4968,

I was told by a teacher in the 5th grade that then Governor Connally had angered almost all of the Texas school teachers because he had promised them big dividends to get elected and then backed out.

Several months later we have a sniper shooting from the "Texas School Book Depository" and misses Connally and screws up and kills JFK.

At least that's MY conspiracy theory and I think it has as much relevance and evidence as all the others.

[tripledipper]

Onassis did it of course. Jackie wanted out. How's that? And I have Ruby's Cobra.

[handejector]

I thought it was official-
Marilyn did it in retaliation for killing her the year before......

[Dusty Miller]

Oh damn! I'm out of popcorn!!

[DCWilson]

Originally Posted by Texas Star

A well-known magazine has a feature this month on who killed JFK. Says the mob did it. Gives strong evidence why.

I agree; have thought that for years. It's about all that really makes much sense. I think that Oswald was just set up, as a distraction. Jack Ruby was among various real clues.

What's your view on this? Or, are you just tired of all the theories?

T-Star

I'm not tired of all the theories, but I can see the holes in them better than I used to.

Several years ago a guy named David Lifton wrote a conspiracy assassination book called Best Evidence. I don't know why I read it, but the mix of selective evidence (sometimes misrepresented) and preposterous suggestions (which he considered logical conclusions) so angered me that I got serious about researching the assassination and put a lot of time in on it. At the end of the day I concluded that the Warren Commission, even with its faults and demonstrable errors, had come up with the right answer: Lee Oswald, acting alone.

Die-hard conspiracy buffs probably hate it, but I think the best book on the Kennedy assassination is Vincent Bugliosi's Reclaiming History. Love him or hate him, you can't deny he brings an experienced prosecutor's eye to the volumes of evidence available in this case.

[wbraswell]

Well, it wasn't me! I vote Oswald, he alone.(almost)

[m1gunner]

What passes for the truth and history in this world is nothing more than a convenient story. It reads well and seems to make sense out of all the chaos.

Oswald wasn't an innocent bystander, beyond that I have no clue.

I met and came to know an eccentric fellow years ago. He appeared to be a nutty caretaker on a large farm. He had a beautiful young French wife who spoke little English. He held regular poker games with flag officers in the Military and old political power brokers. It seemed odd this fellow would know these folks, let alone socialize with them.

Turns out this fellow headed the assassination of Patton . (and he owned that huge farm not far from DC)

History didn't happen like it was written in your school books.

[CigarGuy]

I saw a special, maybe on Discovery(?) that scientifically debunked all the alleged "flaws" in the official report. The shooting, the fleeing from the school book depository. All that.
So it WAS plausible. Possible/probable.......we may never know.

[wheelieguy]

Halliburton did it!

[ditrina]

Originally Posted by Bullseye 2620

What I know is this: the assassination of Jack Kennedy, followed by Martin Luther King and Bobby Kennedy, began the long slide into darkness on which we are still. While it is certain that elements within the CIA were furious with Jack Kennedy for pulling the air cover for the Bay of Pigs operation (don't ask me how I know that), that Sam Giancana and others in the Mob were furious with him for ending their sweet deal in Cuba, and that Castro had enough justification for a reprisal, none of these speculations has stood the test of time because of the simple fact that large organizations leak like sieves. Lee Harvey Oswald, acting alone, gets my vote. But again, it matters not. The fact that so many of us are willing to even entertain the idea of a massive cover-up of the murder of a President should tell us what we really need to know -- big institutions in this country are not trusted, and the corrosion continues day by day.


Bullseye

Gotta go with you on this one... Bullseye..

[ditrina]

Originally Posted by wheelieguy

Halliburton did it!

Awwwww now that ain't nice..

[venomballistics]

Originally Posted by handejector

I thought it was official-
Marilyn did it in retaliation for killing her the year before......

I like this theory best of all

[kewpie]

What passes for the truth and history in this world is nothing more than a convenient story. It reads well and seems to make sense out of all the chaos.

Not all of it.

An ex-OSS/CIA agent once told me that "If you want a more factual rendering of US History, read it in a foreign book."

We all seem to filter the unknown (incl 'conspiracies') through the sieve of our own attitudes (.... and wishes and limitations.)

That's probably why it's easier to contribute to a cause promising to defend us, instead of particpating in it actively. It's like the people who send money to a bake sale because they don't want to take the time to send something they baked themselves. (( And they'll probably be the first to criticize how the sale was run and how the cookies taste ))

[Damn Yankee]

Whats in those files that were sealed until 2039?

[Bullseye 2620]

Originally Posted by m1gunner

What passes for the truth and history in this world is nothing more than a convenient story. It reads well and seems to make sense out of all the chaos.

I met and came to know an eccentric fellow years ago. He appeared to be a nutty caretaker on a large farm. He had a beautiful young French wife who spoke little English. He held regular poker games with flag officers in the Military and old political power brokers. It seemed odd this fellow would know these folks, let alone socialize with them.

Turns out this fellow headed the assassination of Patton (and he owned that huge farm not far from DC).

History didn't happen like it was written in your school books.

Wait a second thar, m1gunner. You're telling us that Patton was assassinated? That's something I want to hear more about. . .a lot more.


Bullseye

[BLACKHAWKNJ]

I can remember when it was "JFK was killed by 'Texas Oil Millionares' because he wanted to do away with the oil depletion allowance."
Unfortunately the Kennedy Assasination is like the Theory of Evolution. People can come up with all sorts of plausible and logical explanations but there is so little hard evidence that people accept an explanation as incontrovertible proof. I reject the "Magic Bullet" notion based on my experience as a shooter but I acknowledge I don't any explanations of my own.

[cp1969]

It was O.J.

That was him, up on the grassy knoll.

[cass]

Only my believe - ex-CIA, friend of Nixon, ex-Watergate burglar was in Dallas before the shooting and left immediately after the shooting = G. Gordon Liddy, the shooter that hit his mark.

[ladder13]

Originally Posted by wheelieguy

Halliburton did it!

Kellogg Brown Root, close business partners with LBJ, more like it. LBJ was Dick Cheney before Dick Cheney was Dick Cheney.

[Rule 303]

I'm sure that many of the CIA Agents involved in the invasion of Cuba at Bahía de Cochinos, especially the ones who had been in the club since their OSS days didn't mind a two bit politician jerking CAP Air from the B-26s that doomed the invasion and causing the death of several Americans and Cuban Exiles. I'm sure the old time agents didn't mind that and just picked up their toys and went home to momma and held no grudges.........

Rule 303

[Dennis The B]

...of the winter of 2007-2008 reading a very lengthy tome written by Vincent Bugliosi - Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy (2007).

As of today, it's the most lengthy, well-detailed explanation of the death of President Kennedy. It debunks, and otherwise puts to rest, every other theory and conspiracy surrounding the assassination of Kennedy.

Every other theory requires either a suspension of reality, or literal belief in conspiracies behind every shrub.

Lee Harvey Oswald was a loser/loner, who couldn't have been trusted to put out the trash, let alone keep his share of a conspiracy quiet.

Jack Ruby, was a wannabe, never quite fitting in with any one group. He knew people on both sides of the legal line, but could never have been in the Chicago mob, mainly because of his big mouth.

Oswald was the lone assassin, using a relatively accurate rifle, from of distance of less than 75 yards. He got off three shots, the third being a fatal. He is also likely the same person who attempted to assassinate retired General Edwin Walker, who was forced to retire from the U.S. Army after distributing literature to troops under his command in West Germany.

[imjin138]

Conspiracy theories are just that theories. The only one ever placed near the spot they can identify is Oswald a disgruntled marine who tried to kill General Walker not to long before that. Once he did it he ran into Officer Tippet and killed him too. Done deal.

Nixon who was a master politician had Watergate unravel in 2 weeks how long do you think any politician, agent or anyone keep a secret not very long one theory in Stones movie is all the killers were gay was it the gay mafia that kileed him? They didn't like Jackie's hat or what.

Oswald was a 24 year old loser who wanted to be famous and now he is.

[The Last Standing Knight]

Fact is, even if the truth were revealed about the JFK assassination, no one would believe it because there is just too much conspiracy garbage out there that no one could tell the difference.
Most of the people who would've been involved are dead or will take the secret with them to their long dirt nap. I'm really not sure I'd want to know the truth and where it might lead. Somethings are just best left to God.
The truth will probably never be known.

[bobsdad]

Going along with the Warren Commission's findings is kind of the "thing to do", I guess. The only wrench in those works are the findings of the second commission that investigated Jack Kennedy's assassination 15 years after:
"The United States House of Representatives Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) was established in 1976 to investigate the John F. Kennedy assassination and the Martin Luther King, Jr. assassination and the shooting of Governor George Wallace. The Committee investigated until 1978, and in 1979 issued its final report, concluding that President John F. Kennedy was assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald, was very likely a result of a conspiracy." So, they concluded that Oswald did do it, but he wasn't alone! No one really talks about this second commission anymore.

[ChuckS1]

After reading all this I guess I'm changing my mind that Bigfoot did it...

[Harrison]

I don't know who fired the fatal round; however, whoever it was, I seriously doubt that it was Lee Harvey. I personally think there was more than one shooter involved. Whatever happened it involved a massive government cover up post-shooting.

[Andy Griffith]

No matter who did it, he's still dead as 4 o'clock, as well as nearly all the Kennedy clan.

[P&R Fan]

Miss Scarlett....In the Billiards Room.....With the knife.

[jrm53]

In 2003 I videoed all of the History Channels 1 hour presentations on the killing, I think there were 6 or 7 hours of it and it caused more questions than it answered. I was 23 years old that Nov. 1963 and a friend had a 6.5 Carcano rifle like they said was used neither of us that had shot or handled it thought you could work it that fast or hit that well with one. That said if you want something that will really blow your mind get a copy of the book "Mortal Error" by Bonar Menninger ISBN 0-312-08074-3 and read it. I think that the theory put forth in the book by Howard Donahue a man with a great understanding of ballistics expains why the brain disappeared in the autopsy and after almost 71 years of seeing the US governmennt in operation I can see how this SNAFU came about. They ( the author and the ballistican) even name the shooter. New info I googled the shooters name to find out why he didnt sue the authors, he did but the judge threw it out because he waited to long after the book was published. The gist of the book was it was accidental and not intentional. Jeff

[GatorFarmer]

Who pulled the trigger? Someone shady and expendable. It was quite possibly Woody Harrelson's dad. He was almost certainly one of the tramps on the Grassy Knoll and later went to prison for killing a Federal Judge. He certainly was a bonafide hitman.

Bush (I) apparently was in Dallas that day, btw.

Who gave the order? Eh. What you have to realize is that this sort of thing gets complicated, not much is written down, and what is written down is destroyed. (Don't believe me? Try to find some meaningful MK-Ultra documents or learn about the experimental use of germ warfare by the US Army in Korea conducted by Japanese scientists now working for "us".)

Oswald was an expendable too, though who's is the question. He was almost certainly supposed to meet his handler in the theater where he was caught. Sometimes you don't even know who you're working for and what the agenda is. You do it either because you believe the lie and think it is all for the good, or sometimes for the money, or sometimes just because you sort of fall into it.

I don't know that "conspiracy" is the right word, it is simply how things get done. Differing agendas and sometimes things overlap.

[Texas Star]

The article that I cited discussed an FBI agent who had a mobster talking to him, and was hot on the trail of really solid evidence that the mob did it. FBI HQ told him to desist. I think that Hoover was involved, or knew, and did nothing to stop the murder. If nothing else, he was covering for whoever did it. And I think Hoover has been discovered to be close to certain mobsters. If memory serves, the Bureau didn't take down the mob seriously until Hoover passed? Do any agents on this board know, or can they say?

That article makes more sense than anything else that I've read on the matter.

BTW, I do believe that Bobby Kennedy was behind Marilyn Monroe's death.

T-Star

[David1958]

In the end, unfortunately, it doesn't matter who did it, or why. The President Of The United States was killed that day in Dallas. I think it's safe to say that things in this country began their long, sad, slow slide that day regardless of your politics.

[ancient-one]

Yes, it was a sad day in the history of our nation. When you think about it, ask yourself two questions. What Texas politican had, from his early days, the reputation of stopping at nothing to obtain what he wanted? What politican had the most to gain?

[GatorFarmer]

Originally Posted by Texas Star

I think Hoover has been discovered to be close to certain mobsters. If memory serves, the Bureau didn't take down the mob seriously until Hoover passed? Do any agents on this board know, or can they say?

That article makes more sense than anything else that I've read on the matter.

BTW, I do believe that Bobby Kennedy was behind Marilyn Monroe's death.

Hoover's job, when he was around, was as the sort of internal security/secret police head of the United States. As such, he was actually correct, more or less, for what he was up to, the mob was small potatoes stuff and simply not all that important. They did things then that today states do, for example since the lotteries came along, there's no more numbers running and the credit card companies charge worse interest than neighborhood loansharks ever did. Insofar as the FBI ever pursued "criminals", it was for publicity and a sideline for the real tasks of maintaining power and the status quo.

Bobby Kennedy didn't have the sort of friends to take care of something like Marilyn. Just his dad's old cronies from the crime days, and they weren't exactly big shots. Marilyn simply killed herself and the scene had to be cleaned up altered so that any potential incriminating things were removed. Nothing all that sinister as far the long history of sinister things go.

Talk to anyone who's been around. Most things aren't that interesting or that good of a story and no one person ever has all that many details anyway. The game of intelligence is partly controlling who knows or thinks what.

[Strato]

The special I watched showed how the shot came from the wrong direction to have been Oswald and the shells were on the wrong side of the room to have been ejected from that rifle. Not to mention that the rifle presented to the judge wasn't even the same model of the one found in the room. It takes someone with a lot of power to get away with such a poorly planned setup.

[charlie sherrill]

I read a while back that Oswald may have given the info the Russians needed to shoot down Francis Gary Powers and his spy plane and that he had other Russian and Combloc (read Cuba) connections. He was also married to a Russian woman that apparently not much is known about. LBJ had ambitions as did the mob. We were supposed to see te sealed records in 2013 but that has apparently been put off. If we wait until everybody involved is dead to see all the records I probably won't be here either. I've been following this stuff since it happened. I sure would like to know the truth before I die. Ain't likely to happen.