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My youngest is about to finish up his cross-over training and take his state board.
He is wanting a 40 for his graduation present. Don't have a problem with that. Just want to know from experienced LEO's their best choice for a 40.
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Is he already hired on with a department? If so, they'll have a policy as to what he can carry as a duty weapon.
If you don't know, as Jimmy says a Glock 22 or 23 with night sights is a safe bet.
If he has a wide latitude, I'd also consider a Sig 229.
If his department requires he carry a department issue gun, then maybe a Glock 27 as a backup or off-duty gun would be nice.
Congratulations to your both your son and you.
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This is the S&W Forum, so I say M-4006 or M&P40!
Seriously, many PDs issue the duty weapons now. I'd wait. He may need a off-duty/back-up gun but I'd wait on that too. PD policy may dictate what that would be also.
A nice Emerson combat knife with the "wave" feature would be a nice gift that will last his whole career.
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M&P 40.
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Glock 22 or Springfield XDm. Glocks are pretty generic, and duty gear is available everywhere, from all the brand name makers. The Springfield is a great pistol, but newer in design, so duty gear is a little harder to find but available. There are more coming on line though. The Department policy may only allow certain brands so this would be the overall deciding factor.
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My duty weapon was (retired LEO) the Glock model 23. I still have it and and use it to qualify for LEOSA annually, making it over 20 years old. It has never jammed and works perfectly every time.
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+1 on the Glock 23. I carried one for 12 years on and off duty. absolutely "0" malfunctions. The lighter weight really is a plus on those "extended" shifts.
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Retired for a little over a year now. I carried a S&W 4006 for the last 12 years after 8 of carrying a Colt Model 1911. I hated it at first, but once I mastered the DA then SA trigger pull, I really grew to like it. I then started carrying a S&W Model 3913 as backup and now carry it as my LEOSA concealed handgun. My duty 4006 now wears night sights and is my bedside gun. I own, shoot and like very much the SIG 229 and think that your son would be happy with either. .......... Big Cholla
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I carry a Sig 226 in .40 and it has served me well in several gunfights. I like bigger weapons for carry on my duty belt, but that's me. If the department does not allow only one or several choices I would say let him try multiple weapons and see what he is comfortable with.
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M&P 40.
Many agencies are changing from Glock to M&P.
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Our dept.now issues the M&P...great gun, I like the ergos much more than the Glock.
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Assuming that he can carry what he wants here's another vote for either a Glock 22 or 23 for a duty weapon. You can't go wrong with one of these Tactical Tuperwares.
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With experiance as an LE firearms instructor and 16 years in the trade there are few handguns that I have not tested. If your son wants a .40 for graduation get him a generation 4 Glock 23, it'll last him a lifetime.
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With experiance as an LE firearms instructor and 16 years in the trade there are few handguns that I have not tested. If your son wants a .40 for graduation get him a generation 4 Glock 23, it'll last him a lifetime.
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other than 2 extra rounds and .496" in barrel length, what other differences are there between the 22 and 23?
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Were it me, I'd have him try a G22 and an M&P to see which one he liked better.
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The bugs are not worked out of the 4th gen yet. Stick with the 3rd if you have to do a glock. M&P will last just as long, performs just as well, is less likely to kaboom, and has much better ergos.
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My first choice would be a Sig 229 in .40
Second choice would be the Glock 23.
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I agree with the other fellows who support a Glock 23. If he is issued something else, he will still appreciate the 23 for off duty, or even as a BUG. Get him a gen 3 with night sights and 3 mags.
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Were it me, I'd have him try a G22 and an M&P to see which one he liked better.
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bought the Glock 22. He is 6'1" and like his father, he has "healthy hands". The 22 had a slightly longer grip and just felt better in each hand and 2 handed. We liked the 2 extra rounds, but the extra barrel length was a toss up between more accuracy and more cumbersome in a bind.
So we brought it home along with 200 rounds of Winchester target ammo. Gun or ammo not as accurate as I had hoped it would be. Trigger pul/take-up is going to take some getting used to.
More later as he shoots it more.
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bought the Glock 22. He is 6'1" and like his father, he has "healthy hands". The 22 had a slightly longer grip and just felt better in each hand and 2 handed. We liked the 2 extra rounds, but the extra barrel length was a toss up between more accuracy and more cumbersome in a bind.
So we brought it home along with 200 rounds of Winchester target ammo. Gun or ammo not as accurate as I had hoped it would be. Trigger pul/take-up is going to take some getting used to.
More later as he shoots it more.
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He will like it, and I think you will find the accuracy will improve after getting used to the trigger.
I have my old issue guns, a Gen 2 and a Gen 3. They are shooting machines; not pretty or elegant, just monotonously reliable and able to get it done.
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He will like it, and I think you will find the accuracy will improve after getting used to the trigger.
I have my old issue guns, a Gen 2 and a Gen 3. They are shooting machines; not pretty or elegant, just monotonously reliable and able to get it done.
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It definetly isn't a 686 competition fitted single action trigger.....that's for sure. But I'm sure in time he'll figure out the take up. The trigger is crisp...once you get to the "crisp spot".
Now I have another excuse to buy a Dillon with several die sets! :-)
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bought the Glock 22. He is 6'1" and like his father, he has "healthy hands". The 22 had a slightly longer grip and just felt better in each hand and 2 handed. We liked the 2 extra rounds, but the extra barrel length was a toss up between more accuracy and more cumbersome in a bind.
So we brought it home along with 200 rounds of Winchester target ammo. Gun or ammo not as accurate as I had hoped it would be. Trigger pul/take-up is going to take some getting used to.
More later as he shoots it more.
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I recently picked up a PD trade in 3rd gen G22 and it shoots like a laser beam with WWB ammo; I hope the cop who traded it in got another tack driver.
I did swab the bore with windex and cleaned it good before I shot it.
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I have never been able to shoot the .40 well. The Glock trigger guard rests on the knuckle of my middle finger and I never cared for the feel of the gun in my hand.
I am confident as he shoots the gun he will get more familiar with the trigger and the recoil.
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He needs to get out and start shooting some different makes and models if he is going to be allowed to choose. Any of the current offerings from Glock, S&W Springfield etc. are excellent choices. The availability and choice of accessories and duty gear will be in Glocks favor though.
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glock 23 he can duty carry or carry as ccw.but the glock 22 is great also thats what we carry and 1 bullet keeps me from getting master each year.I think it comes from the weak hand 2 rds we fire.
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IMO, G22 is what I own and use now. I tried the M&P40 and used to carry a 4046. The G22 takes the snappiness of the .40 right out of it.
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I carried a Glock 22 from the first model to the Gen 4 version for over 20 years. Never liked the trigger, BUT, they are light and easy to carry, combat accurate, and extremely reliable and durable. For a police gun they have been very hard to beat. New striker fired guns on the scene also seem to be just as reliable and durable include the M&P, Sig 250, XDm and FNH model FNS. I was impressed with the FNS and bought one for a retirement gun. It has functioned perfectly, but does not have near the track record as the Glock.
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M&P is garbage. My agency has issued and recalled them multiple times. I'm on my second.
Glock is a great bet if you want to go polymer. For uniform patrol I would say the 22. For off duty/undercover the 23 is hard to beat. If find the 27 to be too small to manage.
If I were to choose, I would say a 4006/3TSW or a 4046/3TSW. Great guns. You can't go wrong. However, as someone mentioned, it will be super easy to find duty gear for the Glocks, not so much for the S & Ws.
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We had 4046's issued to us in the early '90's. I know this is the S&W Forum but I despised that double action only P.O.S. boat anchor. Worst gun I was ever forced to carry. We're issued Glock 35's in .40 now and I have shot master with both the 3rd generation and the Gen 4 that was issued to me about a year ago. Good uniform duty pistol, but too large for plain clothes use. The 23 is what I would go with if given a choice.
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Re: Duty weapon ? ? ?
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I've been through three issue G-22's. All have been reliable and accurate. I carry a G-22, G-27, or G-21 depending on what the mission dujour is. Glocks always seem to work. But, as an LE Firearms Instructor, I've seen problems: locking block sheared off, pins fallen out, recoil spring guide rod snapped in half...they are man-made machines, so there really is no such thing as "Glock Perfection."
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The glock 27 "baby glock" is a nice piece. It depends on the purpose,
duty or after hours, but personally i prefer the beretta 96.
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I'd get him an off-duty gun. He'll carry it more and it will last forever. If he switches jobs they may not carry whatever you buy him for a duty gun. I'd get a Glock 27. If he does work for a department that carries Glock 22's, he'll be able to use the high cap mags in his Glock 27 and he may be able to use it as a back-up gun.
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