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Default Does D-CON actually ATTRACT mice?

I know it's "bait" but does it ATTRACT mice, or just work if they happen across it.

Say I have some DCON near my garage door. If there are mice outside, will they smell it (or whatever) and come in after it?
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Default Decon rat & mice killer

Decon contails "worferin" and requires the CRITTER to eat 1/3 of it's body weight to kill.
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I my experience, it doesn't attract mice, but it really wrecks them if they find it.

Did you know a poisoned mouse will sometimes try to crawl into your defroster inlet on your truck? Pewie!
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We live out in the desert with our fair share of mice. I don't think it attracts the mice, but they sure empty a box real fast. I think they take it home and the whole family enjoys it....for a while anyway
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My cat is too lazy to catch the mice and I have been wondering if I use D-con and my lazy cat eats a mouse that has eaten it would it kill the cat?
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Decon dehydrates mice. They'll load up on the little pellets and take them back "home" for snacks. They keep munching the pellets off and on then die someplace else from dehydration and usually desiccate before they rot, no smell. There's a warning on the box to prevent children and pets from ingesting the pellets.

Here's a product that live traps 'em really well, if you want to relocate the little pests to somewhere that may deserve them. About $1.00 at Wal-Mart, Mice-Cube:

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Decon dehydrates mice. They'll load up on the little pellets and take them back "home" for snacks. They keep munching the pellets off and on then die someplace else from dehydration and usually desiccate before they rot, no smell. There's a warning on the box to prevent children and pets from ingesting the pellets.
10-4. Makes it hard to tell how effective it is, because the
mice leave my garage searching for water, and die elsewhere.

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I know it's "bait" but does it ATTRACT mice, or just work if they happen across it.

Say I have some DCON near my garage door. If there are mice outside, will they smell it (or whatever) and come in after it?

Yes, that's why it is a Bait. It has an attractant in it and most baits (do not know specifically on D Con) but commercial baits have yummy seeds and nuts in them so it smells good to the Rodent and therefore they eat it. Just like peanut butter on a trap, smells good so they go for it. No they really do not like cheese.

If you mean attracts them as brings more than the normal population around your house , no. The other gang members for other neighborhoods are not coming over for a party.
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Somewhere in the fine print the directions state that critters eating the dead rodents may themselves be poisoned, When I (If I) see them laying around the yard after they die I pick them up and throw them in a hole out back so the owls and hawks don't get them...ya never know.
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I keep it in our hunting cabin year round. The first few weeks the bait traps were empty on a weekly basis - now the pellets go untouched, due to nomo mice. They say that there is no smell....well, I sure disagree with that! I've spent a lot of time crawling around sniffing for the smell. Works great.
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Decon dehydrates mice. They'll load up on the little pellets and take them back "home" for snacks. They keep munching the pellets off and on then die someplace else from dehydration and usually desiccate before they rot, no smell. There's a warning on the box to prevent children and pets from ingesting the pellets.
NO! Decon is a warfarin type poison. It keeps their blood from clotting, and then they start bleeding internally and die.... In theory, a cat eating enough mice could also bleed out. Dogs seem to like the Decon "wax bait" (dark green squares).
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Oh, yeah, they smell! Big time. And that in a climate where 30% humidity is way up there. Don't ask me how I know this.
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I use good old Coca Cola. Put it in jar lids. You have to replace it every few days. They cannot pass gas, thus they die.
It does work, with no threat to other animals.
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NO! .
Here's what E-How says about how Decon kills: "Baits differ from traps in eliminating rodents through the ingestion of chemicals that are harmful to the rodents. The active ingredient of d-Con baits is brodifacoum, an anticoagulant commonly used in pesticides, which inhibits the rodents' abilities to digest food and water, making the rodents become starved and dehydrated after eating enough bait." Wafarin is not so powerful as brodifacoum. They may bleed internally, too, but that effect is not mentioned. Either way, an unpleasant death.

So, Yes.
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Here's what E-How says about how Decon kills: "Baits differ from traps in eliminating rodents through the ingestion of chemicals that are harmful to the rodents. The active ingredient of d-Con baits is brodifacoum, an anticoagulant commonly used in pesticides, which inhibits the rodents' abilities to digest food and water, making the rodents become starved and dehydrated after eating enough bait." Wafarin is not so powerful as brodifacoum. They may bleed internally, too, but that effect is not mentioned. Either way, an unpleasant death.

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Why would you disagree with a Dr VM?
It is exactly what he says it is.

Brodifacoum - toxicity, ecological toxicity and regulatory information

Brodifacoum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.afpmb.org/pubs/standardli...-6085_msds.pdf
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Why would you disagree with a Dr VM?
It is exactly what he says it is.
You may not have noticed but none of your links say much about internal bleeding being the cause of death in mice from decon, the topic I addressed. I posted nothing about brodifacoum not being a warfarin type poison, just that it was more powerful than warfarin which fact is confirmed in one of your links.

What I did do was to quote a source that made a statement that I understood to be true. At the same time I acknowledged mwtdvm by admitting that internal bleeding could be a means of death, too. I did not disagree with the post.

I suppose I could have processed "mwtdvm" to discern the dvm part to be Doctor of Veterinary Medicine. I didn't. Oops.

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I guess I have to rant here a little bit... about the internet as a source of information. It can be very good and it can be very bad... As mentioned earlier warfarin type poisons are anticoagulants. After being eaten, your liver is blocked from making factors necessary for blood coagulation, factors II, VII, IX, and X and the anticoagulant proteins C and S. Blood loss results in "hypovolemia", lack of blood volume, which to some people would equal dehydration. Not exactly the same but to a "nonmedical" person, the difference may be negligible. But with the warfarin compounds, what you die from is the blood leaking out of your capillaries into lungs, abdomen, thoracic cavity and brain/spinal cord.
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I guess I have to rant here a little bit... about the internet as a source of information. It can be very good and it can be very bad... As mentioned earlier warfarin type poisons are anticoagulants. After being eaten, your liver is blocked from making factors necessary for blood coagulation, factors II, VII, IX, and X and the anticoagulant proteins C and S. Blood loss results in "hypovolemia", lack of blood volume, which to some people would equal dehydration. Not exactly the same but to a "nonmedical" person, the difference may be negligible. But with the warfarin compounds, what you die from is the blood leaking out of your capillaries into lungs, abdomen, thoracic cavity and brain/spinal cord.
Hope this helps..
Nasty way to die. Thanks for the clarification.
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I take warfarin daily. Aint killed me yet. In fact they tell me I would be dead without it!
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You guys know any way to get squirrels to eat it? Or some
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I use good old Coca Cola. Put it in jar lids. You have to replace it every few days. They cannot pass gas, thus they die.
It does work, with no threat to other animals.
I'm throwing "The Flag" on that one There is no way a warm blooded omnivore cannot pass gas.
Mice farts.
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I'm throwing "The Flag" on that one There is no way a warm blooded omnivore cannot pass gas.
Mice farts.
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Naturally Produced 'Rotten Egg' Gas Helps Control Blood Pressure In Body, Researchers Find
Anyone with a nose knows the rotten-egg odor of hydrogen sulfide, a gas generated by bacteria living in the human colon. Now an international team of scientists has discovered that cells inside the blood vessels of mice — as well as in people, no doubt — naturally make the gassy stuff, and that it controls blood pressure.

Having discovered that hydrogen sulfide, or H2S, is produced in the thin, endothelial lining of blood vessels, the researchers, including scientists from Johns Hopkins, now report in Science that H2S regulates blood pressure by relaxing blood vessels. As the newest member of a family of so-called gasotransmitters, this messenger molecule is akin in function, if not form, to chemical signals like nitric oxide, dopamine and acetylcholine that relay signals between nerve cells and excite or put the brakes on mind-brain activities.

"Now that we know hydrogen sulfide's role in regulating blood pressure, it may be possible to design drug therapies that enhance its formation as an lternative to the current methods of treatment for hypertension," says Johns Hopkins
neuroscientist Solomon H. Snyder, M.D., a co-author of the paper. Conducting their investigations using mice missing a gene for an enzyme known as CSE, long suspected as responsible for making H2S, the researchers first measured
hydrogen sulfide levels in a variety of tissues in the CSE-deficient mice and compared them to normal mice. They found that the gas was largely depleted in the cardiovascular systems of the altered mice, engineered by Rui Wang, M.D., Ph.D., of Lakehead University in Ontario, and Lingyun Wu, M.D., Ph.D., of the University of Saskatchewan, Canada. By contrast, normal mice had higher levels — clear evidence that hydrogen sulfide is normally made by mammalian tissues using CSE. Next, the scientists applied tiny cuffs to the tails of the mice and measured their blood pressure, noting spikes of about 20 percent, comparable to serious hypertension in humans.

Finally, the team tested how blood vessels of CSE-deficient mice responded to the chemical neurotransmitter methacholine, known to relax normal blood vessels. The blood vessels of the altered mice relaxed hardly at all, indicating that hydrogen sulfide was largely responsible for relaxation. Because gasotransmitters are highly conserved in mammals, the findings of the research are believed to have broad applications to human physiology and disease.

"In terms of relaxing blood vessels, it looks like hydrogen sulfide might be as important as nitric oxide," Snyder says, referring to the first gasotransmitter that two decades ago was discovered to regulate blood pressure.

Just because these two gas molecules perform similar functions, doesn't mean they're redundant, says Wang, the paper's principal author. "Nature has added on layer upon layer of complexity to provide a better and tighter control of body function — in this case, of blood pressure."

Studying gaseous messengers can be tricky, explains Snyder, an authority on nitric oxide (NO) whose lab in 1990 discovered that the enzyme triggering NO production is activated by a protein mechanism known as calcium-calmodulin. "When a nerve fires, it releases a bit of neurotransmitter. Then it fires again, very quickly, and releases more of the neurotransmitter, which is always in reserve and at the ready in large storage pools called vesicles. However, gasses can't be stored; they diffuse. So every time there's a nerve impulse, an enzyme must be activated to make it," he says."

Although CSE, the enzyme that activates hydrogen sulfide, was characterized more than half a century ago, the new work is the first to reveal that it is activated in the same way as the nitric oxide-forming enzyme, thus establishing how hydrogen sulfide regulates blood pressure by relaxing blood vessels. "It's difficult to overestimate the biological importance of hydrogen sulfide or its implications in hypertension as well as diabetes and neurodegenerative diseases," Wang says. "In fact, most human diseases probably have something to do with gasotransmitters."

The research was supported by grants from the U.S. Public Health Service and the Canadian Institutes of Health Research as well as a Research Scientist Award.

Authors on the paper are Guangdong Yang, Lingyun Wu, Bo Jiang, Wei Yang, Jiansong Qi, Kun Cao, Qinghe Meng, all of the University of Saskatchewan, Canada; Wang of the University of Saskatchewan and Lakehead University, Canada; Shengming Zhang of Lakehead University, Canada; and Asif K. Mustafa, Weitong Mu and Snyder, all of Hopkins.

Cajun now speaking. It appears that mice with the CSE enzyme are able to fart. It also appears that farting is healthy as it helps lower blood pressure. The internet is a wonderful thing.
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Let's see if I got this right. A meal of beans, boiled eggs, cabbage, and beer will lower my blood pressure even though it may be disgusting for those around me? I'm throwing my BP meds away.
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Only if you use lots of salt.

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I take warfarin daily. Aint killed me yet. In fact they tell me I would be dead without it!
AND you are under close supervision of a physician... I was on it for almost a year following MPE's 2ary to a fractured leg/cast... The classic case of a little being good and a lot being deadly.

People are on digitalis for heart failure too, and if a little kid gets into their meds... not a good outcome.

I suspect you have blood work done monthly and are told that certain things, like sushi rolls are off your diet. Seaweed is chockful of vit K.
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Yes, I get checked once a month. I have to, to keep my flying physical. I hadnt activley flown in something like 20 years. I have a old citaberia airplane that is close to being rebuilt. I understand years ago I wouldnt have got the leeway, but I really had to fight for my last medical.
I did just get off it in the last week for a colonophsey test I just had day before yesterday. I am back on it.
There is a new medication that just now hit the market.
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I asked my pharmacy about it and they said it costs $8 a day as opposed to my $4s a month! However they say its so good that you only need to get your blood checked once a year or so.
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I retired in january 2,000. I was going to go to truck driveing school later that summer and start driveing 2001 and see the country and get paid for it. I was single then. I had some drunk t-bone me that summer and didnt go to the doctor. Had a lump on my knee and didnt worry about it untill I got hit with a pulmanary embolism that about killed me. They put me on warfarin for a couple of years and then took me off of it. Meanwhile the doctor said truck driveing was a no go. I also got married. We took a long drive to wisconsin and I got another lump on my knee. They then put me back on warfarin for good. I had to get off it a few times since for other nose surgerys and then they give me lubinox shots in the gut twice a day. (Wife gives me the shots when that happens as I found she is far better at it than the nurse`s were.)
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I'm throwing "The Flag" on that one There is no way a warm blooded omnivore cannot pass gas.
Mice farts.

Maybe it is not the fact that they cannot pass gas, all I know is that it kills rats and mice, somehow.

I did not believe it either. I was in a guys shop about 5 years ago, and noticed several dead rodents and these containers on the floor with a liquid in them. I asked and he told me how he kills them, and explained how it kills them.
He may have been wrong on how it kills them. He changes the coke every few days, after the fizz goes away.
Maybe they die from a coke habit/overdose.

Things must be slow for lawyers right now, you did a lot of research on the gas subject. Interesting.

I have been using it for the last 5 years, and I have no mice in my work shop.
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Things must be slow for lawyers right now, you did a lot of research on the gas subject. Interesting.
Well it is kind of slow-but you got to admit when the subject of the inability to fart comes up-it begs for a little research
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I think what it does is it makes their blood super thin and that somehow kills them. If I dont take it my blood clotts up and wont dissapate. Then the clott will eventualy break free and either go to your heart, lungs or brain. When it happened to me the first time I was deer hunting by myself at about 9,000 feet. I just couldnt get air and laid it to being out of shape and the high altitude. It was a job to walk back to the truck a couple hundred yards. Finaly got my breath and forgot about it. The next day I was mowing lawn and I couldnt make two laps and went in the house and laid down on the floor trying to get my breath. I still didnt go to the doctor. The day after that I walked to the curb to check my mail and while I was gulping for air, the air was doing me no good and I started to pass out. I thought I was going nuts! I was screaming for air, breathing it and on the edge of passing out for about what seemed a hour to where I finaly got my breath back. I was only a few feet from the phone but had the computer in the back room on and literaly couldnt make it to the back room to shut it off to free up the phone line!
I am a slow learner. Since I never had any pain at all, I still refused to go to emergency. Then I had a german girl friend call me up that is very religious. She asked me how I was. I said just fine. For some reason she asked me about three times in a row the same question untill I blurted out, well if ya gotta know, I think I might of just had a heart attact! Then she says, Der lort told me to call you! Then she sent over a old mutual friend to drive me to the hospital. They got excited at the hospital gave me tests, and told me I was in big trouble. Not to move a musscel etc. Anyway, they kept me in ICU for something over a week.
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