One for the good guys

JcMack · #1 12-14-2010, 08:06 AM

Last October a nut case was criss crossing the Illinois-Indiana border shooting people at random. That area is rural gravel road type about 25-30 miles south of me. In one day he shot one guy doing roofing work, and killed him. A second roofer was wounded but lived. So our nut case drives down the road, stops and shoots a 68 yr old farmer. Farmer lives, but was hurt bad. No more is heard from nut case.
A couple days ago a guy walks into a tanning salon in the middle of a densly populated Illinois shopping area. He ties up the girl running the place at gunpoint, no customers were there.. A customer, a man, walks in is confronted by the gunman. The gunman reaches for another piece of rope that he brought with in a bag. The customer disarms the perp. and using the perps gun the customer shoots the badguy twice killing him. Ballistic results on the gun were released this morning. The badguy was the shooter from the stateline area in October. If the customer hadn't acted he and the proprietress would most likely be dead now.

Peter J. · #2 12-14-2010, 08:14 AM

I also live in your general geographic area. The end of the story brings a big smile to my face.

JcMack · #3 12-14-2010, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter J.

I also live in your general geographic area. The end of the story brings a big smile to my face.

Then you probably know the Orland Park shopping area. The action took place in the middle of it. It's not far from where 5 women were killed in a Lane Bryant store a few years ago. They never caught that shooter. I'd like to know the justification for Illinoisans not being able to arm themselves. I don't feel very safe when I venture over there.

The Big D · #4 12-14-2010, 08:34 AM

JcMack, I am hopelessly confused...and so might be the authorities.

According to this account...

Police Officer Arrested in Ill., Ind. Shootings - ABC News

...the shooter was a police officer who was arrested and charged. Is it now shown NOT to be him?

Very interesting, to say the least.

Please keep us updated, if you would.

Thank you.

Be safe.

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Originally Posted by JcMack

Last October a nut case was criss crossing the Illinois-Indiana border shooting people at random. That area is rural gravel road type about 25-30 miles south of me. In one day he shot one guy doing roofing work, and killed him. A second roofer was wounded but lived. So our nut case drives down the road, stops and shoots a 68 yr old farmer. Farmer lives, but was hurt bad. No more is heard from nut case.
A couple days ago a guy walks into a tanning salon in the middle of a densly populated Illinois shopping area. He ties up the girl running the place at gunpoint, no customers were there.. A customer, a man, walks in is confronted by the gunman. The gunman reaches for another piece of rope that he brought with in a bag. The customer disarms the perp. and using the perps gun the customer shoots the badguy twice killing him. Ballistic results on the gun were released this morning. The badguy was the shooter from the stateline area in October. If the customer hadn't acted he and the proprietress would most likely be dead now.

cmort666 · #5 12-14-2010, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by JcMack

Then you probably know the Orland Park shopping area. The action took place in the middle of it. It's not far from where 5 women were killed in a Lane Bryant store a few years ago.

My mother lives just around the corner.

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Originally Posted by JcMack

They never caught that shooter. I'd like to know the justification for Illinoisans not being able to arm themselves. I don't feel very safe when I venture over there.

It couldn't be simpler. Those in charge of Illinois (Richard M. Daley) have decided that it's better for someone to be robbed, raped or murdered than for them to defend themselves with a gun outside of their home. Daley didn't want anybody to be able to do it INSIDE their homes, but that meddling Supreme Court ruined that for him.

People with full time bodyguard detachments don't see why you need a gun.

The Big D · #6 12-14-2010, 08:45 AM

This has gotten my attention so checked further...and found this story.

Charges DROPPED: Lynwood Police Officer Accused Of Shooting Spree Released

Seems the police officer was released and pronounced as not involved.

Interestingly, there was little national publicity announcing his release but lots of it (I heard/read about it here on the east coast) when he was arrested. Hmmmmmmm...

Be safe.

JcMack · #7 12-14-2010, 08:47 AM

That officer was arrested erroneously, to the embarrassment of the Will county states attorney. The officer is unmarried and was unable to supply an alibi for the time of the shootings. The officer matches the general description of the perp and drives a similar vehicle. He was at home, alone, at the time on the internet. Records to that effect of his online activities set him free.

Sources: Gun in Orland tanning salon robbery is same one used in honeybee shootings - chicagotribune.com

NFrameFred · #8 12-14-2010, 09:53 AM

At the risk of skirting non-allowed political discussion . . . Jefferson pretty much had it right - people get the government they deserve.

If more working people voted with their feet, the Daley's and Bloombergs and their ilk could rule over kingdoms of do-nothing gimme-gimme wards of the state and the country could isolate them into enclaves that would allow they rest of us to live in peace and prosperity. Trouble is, the leeches who perpetually vote this vermin in follow the money/handouts like nomads.

Living in a state that makes it easy to stay on the dole for life, we get many transplants from states with more "generous benefits" when for some reason they lose their golden tickets there.

gunnut44 · #9 12-14-2010, 10:09 AM

Glad he was able to disarm him, from what I heard he offered to give robber his christmas bonus which he had on him but he didnt want it sounds like he wanted to kill them regardless. I live 15 min from there and even though it is a great area to live and raise a family you have to always be on the lookout. I think most people would act the way the citizen did if you know you are going to die. We have some goofey gun laws here but we can still own them with little problems. I still carry a gun to protect my family and I would rather be caught with it than without it. I don't look for trouble but if it comes my way I will defend myself and my family with whatever means possible.

oldman45 · #10 12-14-2010, 10:15 AM

In the case of the wrongfully accused officer, I want to know more about "Ballistics from the gun in both shootings matched."

I deal with this all the time. The PD had his gun from the start and felt he did it strongly enough to file charges. Were the ballistics from his gun matching the bullets from the victims?

If they did not have the crime scene gun, what eveidence did they have to charge him? There are a lot of pickup trucks that look similar. There are a lot of people that favor others.

I personally hope the officer sues the PD and the DA for multi millions. Unless there is something not being said, they only had a person of interest as a possibly suspect. They certainly did not have motive, a weapon, eyewitness description or physical evidence that would have placed him at the scene, with the murder weapon or with anything to gain from the shootings. Charges should have never been filed against him.

He will always be marked by memory now and there will be underlying suspicions that he may have been guilty and was able to pass the murder weapon on to a perp that would eventually get caught. He spent time in jail as an officer, he was out money, he was dismissed from the department and his name was tarnished.

JcMack · #11 12-14-2010, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by oldman45

I personally hope the officer sues the PD and the DA for multi millions. Unless there is something not being said, they only had a person of interest as a possibly suspect. They certainly did not have motive, a weapon, eyewitness description or physical evidence that would have placed him at the scene, with the murder weapon or with anything to gain from the shootings. Charges should have never been filed against him.

He will always be marked by memory now and there will be underlying suspicions that he may have been guilty and was able to pass the murder weapon on to a perp that would eventually get caught. He spent time in jail as an officer, he was out money, he was dismissed from the department and his name was tarnished.

My thought exactly. Talk about rush to judgment. The officers only crime was he sort of resembled a scetch, and drove a similar vehicle. As a side note: The hero of the story was live on local news this A.M.. He's probably 30, a good size guy, that looks like he can take care of himself. He went into exact detail about his involvement in the episode. The story almost (I say almost) sounds like he disarmed the badguy and proceeded to shoot him dead. My immediate thought was man, you live in Illinois, shut up!

JcMack · #12 12-15-2010, 09:30 AM

There's av security video out of the whole tanning salon incident. I don't want to link to it but you could probably google it easy enough. The hero has got some stones. He had to race about 6 feet to reach the distracted bad guy. Ahhh....we'll try it. Go to site, video is half way down the page.

http://www.wgntv.com/videobeta/?watc...4-b797b9fc2452

IndianaDave · #13 12-15-2010, 03:44 PM

Wow !! That guy was pretty dang quick. They should give him some sort of "extraordinarily brave and quick-thinking citizen" award.