I turned 50 in Feburary, so I guess I am considered an old guy by some standards. I normally drop off my youngest daughter at school before going to work.

She is a freshman in high school and I have noticed that the young ladies in high school dress a bit more risque than they did when I went to high school. A lot shorter skirts, more revealing tops, pajama bottoms sand so on. I don't go to Wal-mart but I know they sell kid size thong underwear.

My daughter and my niece think I am to conservative when I make my wife look at the clothes before they buy them, sometimes I supervise the clothing purchase. My daughter and my niece went to a store clled Hot Topics and bought swim suits for a pool party last summer. I knew something was wrong when they didn't wear them in our pool so I had my wife look at them and skimpy doesn't adequately describe them. So they went back for a more conservative suit.

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You are not quite old enough to remember those great days of the '60s mini-skirt and bra-less look. I used to have to remind some of the ladies I taught school with, and also attended HS with, of some of the things they wore, or didn't wear, back in 1966. They would complain about what the girls were wearing, and I would say, "I remember you in 1966. Would you like me to bring my HS Album tomorrow?"

They didn't much like it.

I agree about the swim suits. They are much more revealing today than they were back then.

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You are NOT too conservative. Our nation's parenting skills are almost non existent nowadays. I spent a 40 year career in public education and am appalled by the clothing worn by our young women. Many high school girls dress like whores. Maybe the moms do also - who knows, but it is inexcusable. If I sent a girl home to find more appropriate attire, it was almost a declaration of war! Recently my daughter (age 40) was complaining about not being able to find "normal' underpants for her twin 3 year old daughters at the local stores. It seems that the selections are all for a skimpy toddler version of the hip hugger, low-rider, or whatever they are called type of underwear! Gimmee a break! She actually had to go online to find a place to buy normal underwear for my granddaughters!! My point being that the general skimpy direction of female dress is headed for even lower moral reaches.

Go to a high school football game. I'm shocked at what a lot of girls wear. They look like wannabe porn queens. Of course, sometimes their mama's there in low riding jeans, thong, and has a "tramp stamp".

You can see where these kids get their standards from...

Wow, first the "You Texans want to drive too fast!" thread, and now this one saying girls are showing too much skin. Let me know when you all start the "You kids get off my lawn or I'll turn the hose on you" thread, because I've got a piece to say there.

My main problem is with skimpy attire that is worn in inappropriate venues or in conjunction with bodies rendered gross by today's dietary and exercise habits. Tattoos and piercings are just a silly idea - but if you want to date a gal with a pierced lip and a tattoo of a dagger on her chest, have at it.

Neck and facial tattoos get on my nerves, I see a lot of tattooed women on a daily basis, but then I work in a womens prison. Some of my officers have them too, along with piercings every where. Neck, nose lips, tongue, ears, cheeks, and probably places I can't see.

A few years ago one of my female officers got into a wrestiling match with an inmate and her pants came down, they were low to begin with and she decided to go commando that day and we all got a show.

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That's funny and sad at the same time. I would think if my job description had the real possibility of wrestling with someone who would do you harm, I would not want to give them an advantage like loose clothes and God forbid, piercings.

The Redlevel's point, it certainly does go in cycles. When I was in school, skirts were rare and shirts were generally not low cut. These days girls in middle school are wearing these low cut shirts all the time. My daughter is going to middle school next year and so far she has shown no proclivity toward dressing like that, except that since she is so tall, with really long legs, any shorts she wears look like short shorts. I think in her case it is because my wife doesn't dress that way.

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I'm just glad the gals didn't dress like that back when I was in high school. I had enough distractions as it was .

I guess I'm an old f@rt. I think piercing and tattoos on a woman are abhorrent. Each to his own I guess.

BTW Erich- I'm a Texan and I like 85 mph! I just don't know why they won't let us drive faster than that on the four-lane .

Well, I can't say that I don't enjoy the view when an attractive girl shows a little skin, and summer here is a lot of visual fun when the girls break out their shorts and even go to the grocer in a bikini and cover-up. Or in tennis outfits.

But anything can be done to excess, and one needs to consider the venue.

I am repelled by tattoos. I believe they should appear only on sailors and ugly women in circus sideshows.

BTW, I have a friend who was a longtime college teacher before being elevated to a dean's position. He was convinced that some of those miniskirted girls deliberately let him see a great deal as he stood before his classes. It seemed to be a game to see if they could embarrass him or maybe get them easier grading standards in return for the show. He tried not to visibly react, and said that this was one of the perks of being a male teacher.

I blame MTV and rock music and emerging ethnic influences for some of the excess, and it is certain that the nation as a whole has diminished moral standards. There is too often just a lack of basic class.

On the other hand, being a stringent prude often causes a daughter to rebel and see what she can get away with. I hope that most parents can reach a reasonable compromise, where the girl's atttire fits in with current fashion without being excessive. My daughter is very attractive and I was somewhat concerned with how we would handle the issue of what she wore. My ex-wife's family were very conservative, and my teen kid got some lectures for outfits that I found quite acceptable. Thankfully, she never asked for a a tattoo!

This board has many extremely conservative members. Anything very revealing is going to upset them. I hope that in most cases, clothing issues won't drive a wedge between parents and teens to the extent that their overall relationship is damaged. That may take a little compromising on both sides.

That said, I think fashion designers need to let up on pushing clothes for very young girls that would be daring on teens. Britney Spears inspired a lot of pre-teens to mimic her wardrobe, and things have accelerated from there. I hope we don't see 10 -year-olds wearing lipstick and makeup soon. It really wouldn't surprise me

AS a rule tattoos on women bother me and I was upset when I heard that mmmMY granddaughter had one .No one told me what it was she showed it to me and I almost teared up , it is on her ankle and it is of her horse that had to be put down when she was @13 she waited untill her 18 birthday to get the tatoo .Now her horse will always be with her .She has had other horses but never bonded with them as with the one that passed .The tat. is in good taste and well done by an artist that copied the horse from a picture.

Well I remember them in the late 40s and early 50s when they worked at looking ugly!

That's funny, when I was younger I always thought I'd grow up to be one of those guys, guess I've mellowed with age. Who knows though, I'm still only 48.
Socrates once said, “Children today are tyrants. They contradict their parents, gobble their food, and tyrannize their teachers.” Seems like this attitude is nothing new.

Of course it's nothing new, but that does not mean parents have to let their school kids run wild and dress like cheap whores and hoodlums.

The irony is that some parents encourage inappropriate behavior and dress, jumping on the school that tells their kid to cover up their butt crack, and then the parents wonder why they are having to post bail for their kids.
A near neighbor--not really bad people, just wanted their 2 kids to have "complete freedom"--now visit their son in prison and support their daughter's two ******* kids.

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They need to update the curriculum in schools around here. Instead of math and English, we might as well teach "Advanced Section 8" and "Beginning Welfare through Advanced" That's where they're all gonna wind up anyway.

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I loved the no bra look............................still do!

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im 25 almost 26 years old and i have to agree with you older gentlemen some of the clothing that is worn by young women today is way to revealing and to be honest it makes me sick to my stomach!

Here is what is needed to run our schools.

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I graduated HS in '65. Hems were at or just above the knee. Necklines were at the neck. This was a public high school. girls did not wear anything other than dresses, skirts and blouses. boys wore slacks, collared shirts that required to be tucked in and leather shoes. Also a clean shave if you needed to shave.

LTC

Not to mention a ninja assassin with a ruler...

I was and still am all for the micro mini skirt and the braless look. The difference is that the girls in the 60's had the bodies to go with the look. I live where I have girls from a grade school middle school and a high school walk past my house, and most of them need to go look in a mirror. When the belly hangs over the belt its time to cover it up. And not with a skin tight top.

You are not too conservative, little kids do dress like whores. But take a look at the mom's, they are just as bad, if not worse. These women dress like whores and gladly shop for the sluttiest outfits for their kids.

All these women approaching middle age are dying to be "M I L F's".

Why are kids not doing well in school? Because the parents don't give a damn. The divorced single mom is too busy developing her social life. No one goes over homework, no one checks that they are doing what they are supposed to do. The Fed Government can toss trillions at the problem, but with non existant parents, it is throwing money away.

My ex wife had my kid's solo since they were 5 and 6. In HS i tried to get custody of them because they were absent for 56 days of school and were being left back. I didn't go in with a lawyer to family court and neither did she. I assumed it was a no brainer that I would get them, just on the merits of the case. I was a retired Police Officer, so obviously I wasn't a total scvmbag. The judge ruled against me. Originally child services was supposed to investigate and report to the judge. They never did and he accepted that.

In their junior and senior year she allowed me to have them, as long as I continued to pay their child support. Apparently she moved with a guy to Texas and wanted to dump them. They were bright kids, but years of half assing school didnt help them. They both eventually graduated HSa year late, not with flying colors, but at least they made it. I will stop here, before I take up the site's bandwith.

Spring, one of the reasons I love a college town.......

There needs to be a balance and a respect for both sides. A young woman can look very "Hot" and still not show too much, problem is that when you look at what their mothers wear you see where it comes from. Beauty is in the soul and can last a life time. Physical looks change, in a year, two, five, ten or twenty. It's sad that so many children see that what is important is being Beautiful. I think partly because the only real industry we have in the US today is entertainment. Everything else has mostly been shipped off shore. You cann't blame the kids, they mimick what they see. I like to think that I'm lucky with two boys, but it's just as bad. I worry about how they will build their opinions, likes and dislikes as they grow through teen-hood.

Again, I think there is a balance between both sides. There needs to be rules, edges that are understood by both. You cross the line there are natural consequences to their actions. Perhaps it’s we do not pay for closes we do not like and if you choose to buy that style you get less allowance, more chores, something negative.

It's equally hard to find the balance between respect and freedom, but it's critical.

B2

I graduated High School in 1967, I recall the two girls who wore miniskirts. One was Olive Oyl with blonde hair, the other was Twiggy. These overly revealing fashions remind me of David Niven's response to the streaker who ran behind him when Niven did a presentation at the Oscars one year-"He has to take off all clothes to reveal all his shortcomings." And what's the line from Alan Sherman's "Camp Grenada 1964"?
"Her name's Mrs Pellegrini/Have you ever seen a whale in a bikini?"
The previous President of Brazil, Lula, tried to make an issue of hunger, critics pointed to his rather porcine appearance and the "whales in a bikini" that were on Brazil's beaches in vast numbers.

A lot of Latina women do have a weight problem, but some of those babes on Ipanema Beach ain't bad. About half of the Victoria's Secret Angels are Brazilian. (Many of the rest are Czech, although there are a few Americans, a Brit, a South African, a Dutchie, and an Aussie.) Ever eyeballed Ana Beatriz Barros or Alessandra Ambrosio? You can find many admiring videos of both on YouTube. Better not link them here, I guess.

Now, we can sit back while the guys who like women built like those whales decry the skinny models. The supermodels ARE often too thin, and that wonderful example of them, Petra Nemcova, has come out strongly against that, saying that she had a friend or two die of malnutrition!

I think the problem is that too many fashion designers are gay, and are heartless about the girls' health. My idea of a good looking babe is Aussie actress Yvonne Strahovski, seen as Sarah Parker on, Chuck. (She has to fake a US accent.) She's the best thing about that show and an ideal example of feminine architecture. Sexy and healthy. She looks good in everything. Overall, Playmates look healthier than supermodels, but some recent ones have had tattoos. It really grossed me out when Holly Madison got a couple of those. Ana Beatriz Barros has a tramp stamp on her lower back, too. Pity: that damaged some pristine female real estate. She still smolders. Does things with her eyes that ought to be illegal in public. Unless she's looking at me that way...

Have any of you guys ever been to Rio de Janeiro during Carnival? How many of the ladies are hot and how many are ...otherwise?

(Obviously, this has nothing to do with what girls should wear to high school.)

I tell my daughter all the time, "I know what fourteen year old boys are thinking. I used to be one." That's usually just after I've told her what she's wearing is not quite appropriate. She usually appeals to Mom, who usually sides with Dad.

I went shopping for jeans with her several months ago. We went to four stores before we found some that covered most of the way to her waist. Fortunately, she's worn uniforms to school all her life, so there's not as much peer pressure to dress like some of the kids I see other places.

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Now we know the reason for the demise of the American textile industry.

Inmate or officer?

I was working Padre Island National Sea Shore one time during Spring Break. I got a complaint from a lady visitor about another visitor who was wearing a Semi Thong Bikini.
The swim suiter was about 5'2" and weighed in the neighborhood of 300 pounds. I told the complaintant that there was nothing I could do about the lady as she was not violating any Federal or State Laws.

I then told her that if there was a law that effected what the woman was wearing the Criminal Case would be a Death Penality Case. The Complainant laughed and was satisfied with that observation and she went on her way.

Rule 303

Best comment so far.

Semper Fi,

Ron H.

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Yeah, prime physical specimen that I am, I feel qualified to judge who may or may not dress a certain manner.
And the "Ethnic influence" corrupting kids I remember was 25 years ago from a white Italian Catholic pop star named Madonna. (Man, is there nothing some folks won't blame on race?)
The clothing stores wouldn't offer it if the public didn't buy it. Even though I am not enamored with today's styles, they're not aimed at me, any more than the bell bottoms, Hurache sandals and headbands I wore were aimed at my parents.
And I'm sure my parents and their buddies sat around talking about how my generation was going to ruin America.
Now my generation is pushing 65 and following in my parents footsteps.
And so it goes ...

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While, being over 60 too, I sorta hate to point out that
YOUR PARENTS and their buddies WERE RIGHT!

Who do you think is running things now?

Embarrassing - Eh?

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My wife and I went to her niece's hs graduation.
My wife wore a nice dress and I was kind of forced into a suit and tie.

There were over 1k grads and I can't tell you how many folks were there - A Bunch -
I saw maybe 5 other guys with ties on (great grand pops I'd guess) and a few women in dresses. EVERYONE else looked like they were going to the beach or a family pic-nic for the day. A few dressed up in their best shorts & T-shirts though - No doubt because they thought that the occasion called for it - Quite thoughty of them.

P.S. This graduation was here in *The Bible Belt* - Not Berkley.

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I went to public HS during the early 70s with 4,000 other students. The girls were quite eager. However, if you wanted to find the real wild girls they were the ones wearing plaid skirts and buttoned up blouses across the street at the Catholic school.

Take a look at historical data on teen pregnancy.... continues to decline decade after decade and the last year data is at a record low. Long hemmed skirts did not appear to be effective . Take a look at recent data from the CDC on young women having sex. It's trending down, not up.

So... us old farts can wag our finger at these little tarts while proclaiming society as we knew it is over... Fortunately, they have paid us no attention.

No DeadAye, they weren't. And I am not embarrassed by any means.

And I am sorry that the clothes you wore to the Graduation were not like the others. I'm certain the guys who wore spats and a top hat felt the same way when the 2 piece suit debuted.

Of course, most of you are certainly right to try and keep you kids descent and out of harm's way. Nevertheless, I was a teenager in the 50's and still remember the tight skirts and even tighter sweaters. I mean isn't that what High School was for.....a liberal education.

I remember having to have most of our dates home by 10:30 or 11 p.m. I always wondered what it was you could do after those curfews that you couldn't do before that "magic" hour?

Every generation throughout history has thought the younger generation was too wild and risque. You're just old farts.

Gasp! Look at these trollops! You can see her ankles! Their parents should be ashamed!

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My wife and I have a hell of a time trying to finding clothes for my 13 y/o daughter. All the pants are all low riders and "skinny" jeans. All of the shorts are short shorts and skin tight. The shirts are low cut. I've actually bought her boys jeans.

In the 60-70s those low waisted and tight fitting pants were called "Hip-huggers". They differed in that they had big bell bottoms. Hippie girls and hip-huggers... whew... made for a lot of fun Saturday nights.

they did the same in the 90's ...
after being a teen in the 80's where meticulously done hair was coupled to some of the most sensual fashions, the grunge era of flat greasy hair and 70's throwback attire made me give up on girl watching

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Have you taken a look at what their wearing to church.

The old practice of "Sunday Best" does seem to have fallen by the wayside for many, conversely many churches are glad to have people show up, period.

Fashion maven that Jesus is, I'm certain those "transgressors" will hear about it in the after-life.

I got a jury duty notice recently. Said no shorts or thong sandals or sleeveless tops. I guess everything else flies.

My teen granddaughter thinks a guy dating her in a shirt and tie and wearing tennis shoes is dressed up! Chuck Taylor seems to be the favored brand. They probably cost a lot for what they are.

I asked a waitress who is pretty cool, cute, and who has a college degree. She's 30. She agreed with my GD. I'd feel really stupid wearing tennis shoes with a blazer and slacks.

I'm starting to feel old for the first time in my life.

Aerosmith's Steven Tyler said something along those lines last evening-- You have no idea how much it costs to look this cheap.

I agree. How hard is it to put on some decent cloths for an hr.

Yes, the girls *and* their mothers. I attend an evangelical church. You know, the kind where we gladly raise our hands and say "Here we are!" when the media disparagingly uses the term "fundamentalists"? We believe in the Biblical prohibitions against extramarital sex, and we believe that a chaste mind and heart conform to the Christ-like character which is the goal of our faith.

Apparently, women have completely forgotten that the path to a man's hormones and thoughts is through his eyes. I am shocked by some of the things that even 40-year-old-and-older women wear to church. Friend, when you donned that top and looked in the mirror, were you completely unaware of the effect that so much skin has upon the men around you? Of course, you *aren't* totally unaware, because the reason to wear such clothing is to be seen in it by an approving (leering?) audience, and I'm not talking about the women in the room. Since I assume you aren't totally unaware, may I ask "What in heaven, earth, or the blazing underworld were you thinking by wearing it to church?"

If you want to dress provocatively in your home, at the bowling alley, in Las Vegas, or wherever, that is your choice. But I struggle to understand why you think it's appropriate to dress that way in an institution where we strive to avoid thoughts and conduct outside the moral norms which we all agree are true.

I have often told my wife that women generally fail to grasp the effect of their clothing on men. I frequently point out a lady in church and say "She simply should not be wearing that because as Paul warned, her clothing will be a stumbling block to so many men in this room." I think she only partially grasps my meaning. This failure has several tenets:

(1) Men respond to skin. We're wired that way from the factory.

(2) Men have an active imagination, one that is naturally wired to imagine "next steps" when exposed to skin. Am I saying they are undressing you? Yes. Again, that is the factory wiring and while some men can overcome it, most cannot.

(3) You have no idea what turns on a man, but exposing more of yourself will make you an object of attraction for a larger percentage of men. I've never understood men that are turned on by feet, or fingernails, or ankles, but I know they are out there. I'm not suggesting that you don a burqa; even then, the "eye men" may gaze longingly upon you. But I am saying that when you expose the parts of you that are unique to womanhood, you cut a broad swath through the general population of men. So when you think that your cleavage is "no big deal", there are a large percentage of men for whom it was a big deal at age 13, and that deal continues undimimished at a much more advanced age.

(4) Women are generally clueless about the geometry of their clothing when they move, especially when they bend over. I remember college mates whose bathing suits didn't cover their topsides completely when they moved certain ways. It was heavenly for hormone-crazed young men, but those women would have been mortified to know it was happening.

I have three sons and no daughters. I wish I had a daughter because I believe my life would be enriched by her presence. However, I don't miss the challenge of defending her from boys. I remember what it was like to be a teenage boy!

My 15 year old daughter says it best:

"If it ain't for sale, honey, quit advertising it!"

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Wrench,

That is classic. Did she just make that up? A creative young lady regardless, I'm sure; but extraordinarily creative if it's original.

Pardon the thread hijacking; I'll crawl back in my hole.

Andy

As far as I know, she came up with it.

Modest and uberconservative, yes. Classy? I don't know. She likes the 30-30 and Wolverine work boots and classic cut Levi's are her basic attire (the work boots are because "they cost the same as sneakers, but they will last me through high school") She doesn't smell so classy after marching band, however, there was that dress from the JROTC Military Ball. I guess the jury's still out on classy or not.

I do love that girl.

Extremely creative, very much so.

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