The Deptment of Veteran’s Affairs and the Houston National Cemetery are accused of banning the words “God and “Jesus” at funeral services. They are also accused of requiring prayers for the dead be submitted for government approval prior to a service.

I can’t believe this is happening.

Houston Veterans Claim Censorship of Prayers, Including Ban on 'God' and 'Jesus' - FoxNews.com

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Admin Edit to add-
Okay-
I don't want this thread to slide into general political commentary, or proselytizing, or a general discussion of Christianity. The rules forbid all 3.
If it does, I'll lock it.

This thread is about the denial of a Constitutional and natural right in a national cemetery. <That's a PERIOD

Now, off to do some editing......

Lee Jarrett

WRONG on every level!!!

How long is it going to take before people wake up and take our country back. Before the sixties this would never have been an issue.

Well here goes another prayer for prayers.

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I too am a Vet (2nd Armored Division '68 to '71) and I am sad to see this. I read this on FOX, as you would not really ever see it on CNN, the Communist News Network. It is, however, what I would expect in an all to liberal country. But, America is great, and most Americans are repulsed by this. They just don't have the national attention that the libs seem have. They want to take our voice, and our guns, away. Never let that happen.

I am non religious. I don't want anyone to try to force their views on me, on the other hand, neither do I expect them to change to my way of thinking either. Our freedoms are in jeopardy in these days, not the least of which is the freedom of religion.

In the name of the ...... the ... and the ..... ..... Amen.

Hows that looking?

Our freedoms are being eroded by this kind of political correctness.

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Dum vivo cano

I thought the oath to serve included God and Country!

Now that is just totally wrong !!!

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+1
I only want to quote you on this.I've had to delete so much already that I fear I'm gonna get slapped.

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I lost here. What happened to the 1st amendment?
When you honor someone who has served his country what is said is a matter for the family. Some VA seat polisher has no say in it!
It's time to get out the torches and pitchforks!

You are correct sir. The following is the oath all enlisted personnel take when they enlist in the U.S. Army, U.S. Air Force, U.S. Navy or U.S. Marine Corps:

“I, (state your name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”

Sorry, if I was conducting the funeral or it was a member of my family, I would do the prayer as I wished. What are they going to do about it? Wrestle you to the ground during the service?

Political correctness is just another name for censorship.

Indeed and if this is what they mean by being Political correct I don't want any part of it.

and ontop of that this kinda PC **** is putting us one step closer to living in a real life 1984.

Can't believe such a thing could happen here in the big H.
I've been to that cemetery. It's way up on the north side of
town. Believe me, lots of people around here are already
plenty hot about this judging from a quick search.
She will be lucky if she is not run out of town on a rail.

In the search, I see she's originally from Chicago.
That explains a lot.. I can tell you, as a local, she done
stepped in it... I think it's totally pathetic, and I'm going to
call all the usual representatives in the area to complain.
I see Ted Poe is already hot on her tail, and he's a fairly
serious feller around these parts.. Ex-judge, yada yada..

This @#$% ain't gonna fly. I'll tell you that right now.
If she doesn't get fired, by the time everyone gets through
with her, she'll want to quit.

BTW, she looks like Janet Napolitano on a bad hair day, and
Janet Napolitano is hard on the eyes on a good hair day.

Whether God or Jesus is mentioned at a funeral should not be the government's decision to make. It should be decided by members of the deceased's family. We've got TSA folks strip searching 95 year old women now too. Has common sense become such a rare commodity, or are some people just looking for new ways to make everyone's life around them miserable?

Amen this brother.
I don't see it as much a sad day that the government would try to ban it, as I do that there are people who would obey it.

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+1. A little civil disobedience never hurt anyone.

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Where's my dad's America?

Absurd.
Ludicrous.

The 1st Amendment states-
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." (italics mine)

So, we have a sequence of events:
1- A Vet takes an oath to defend the Constitution.
2- Vet dies, possibly in the line of duty upholding that oath.
3- Vet is buried in national cemetery, but family and friends are denied Constitutional rights.

This woman could be insane, but is more likely simply abusing authority to push a personal agenda.

I hope she is removed from her position.
I hope the DOJ prosecutes her for denial of civil rights and abuse of power.
I hope the families sue her personally for denying them their Constitutional rights and reduce her to the status of a pauper.
The rest of my thoughts are not Godly, and I shall do my best to quit thinking them.

That ground does NOT belong to the government- it belongs to us, and especially to the Vets who lie in it!

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Regards,
Lee Jarrett

You don't have to be a vet to be sickened by this...

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Thirty characters. Exactly...

Somebody get a rope!

When I said "us", I meant "WE the People of the United States"

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Regards,
Lee Jarrett

Says all that needs to be said.

......moon

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I have been a full-time vocational minister since 1982. Off hand I have no idea how many weddings and funerals I've conducted. Once upon a time I was conducting a wedding. At the rehearsal dinner I was asked to do the prayer. As there were present persons who were not of the Christian faith, I was asked not to us the name of Jesus in my prayer. I refused stating that if they had wanted a non-Christian prayer, they should have asked a non-Christian to pray but that I was a minster of the Christian faith and that I would pray with integrity to my faith in Christ. I cannot speak for another minister, but I can guarantee that I know how to render to caesar what belongs to caesar and how to render to God what belongs only to God. In this case, caesar would have to take his/her place in line. Or, they could just walk away and pretend to be useful. Who knows... if they pretend long enough, they might actually get good at something.

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i am a young man who loves this country and its veterans this makes me want to throw up my breakfast!

...try to push others' hot buttons on these topics.

However, I'm providing a link to the VA, so you can send emails to the VA questioning them on this issue.

They only understand it when people call them on these violations.

https://iris.custhelp.com/app/ask

Fire away!!

I can honestly say that for the first time in my life I am scared.

See my addition to the first post.

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Lee Jarrett

Unlike many of you guys, I do not have a god. I do not want a religious service when I die. But I respect the right of everyone to have, or not have, their religious beliefs. I believe that is written into your constitution, and rightly so. I went to 4 funerals last year, three in catholic churches here in France. One was a suicide, but even then the service was conducted with dignity, and the priest spoke kindly of the poor young man who found he could no longer cope with life. I was very impressed by the words he spoke.

People who try to impose restrictions like this should be named and shamed before being removed from office and run out of town.

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This is about the most disgusting thing I have read in a while. While trying to express my outrage in a civilized manner is hard to do, as some of my TX friends are so fond of saying, "Get a short rope and find a tall tree!"

My edit to the first post-
Final Warning.
One more, and I ding the poster and lock it.

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Regards,
Lee Jarrett

Its just plain wrong, them trying to ban free speech ... in a cemetary of all places. Its just plain wrong anywhere.

Charlie

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