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Old 07-16-2011, 12:45 PM
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dear s&w forum in the near future i will be coming in a larger sum of money, and i will be using this money to buy a s&w revolver to restart my revolver collection. i have a list of 6 revolvers but im not sure which one on the list to buy first. the gun in question will be used as a training tool since i don't have any experience at all shooting a handgun except for dry firing my old s&w model 36 with snap caps. sincerely and respectfully mg357 a very proud member of the sw forum
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1. s&w model 617 4 inch barrel
2. s&w classic model 10 4 inch barrel
3. s&w classic model 36 2 inch barrel
4. s&w model 60 3 inch barrel
5. s&w model 64 4 inch barrel
6. s&w model 686 4 inch barrel

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2 of my favorites are on your list
M10 (mine's a 4")
and a 4" 686 (one of THEE greats)

Of those on your list I believe that the 686 is the easiest to learn to shoot well. It's a fairly heavy revolver and can shoot light target wad cutter 38s to full blown 357 Magnums once you get proficient. A great choice for a first revolver.

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Good advice. The 686 would be my choice, especially the 686-4 with 4" barrel. Home defense, target, plinking and for the collection, a classic revolver. The stainless construction will serve you well if the piece gets a lot of use.
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686 or the 686

You can shoot 38 specials through it and it will have very little recoil. IMHO the best all around 357/38 revolver around.

Of course the M 617 (22lr) is the cheapest to shoot but costs as much as a 686.

Depends on what you want to do with the gun.
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My vote is for the 686 also, it was what started my revolver collection. I gotta say its a toss up to which shoots better my 1911 our my 686. I differently know the 686 has the nicest trigger pull out of everything I own except my 22/45 which has had the trigger heavily modified.
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MG357, do you plan to reload? Is so, I'd say any of the .38/.357's, If not, go with a fine .22. You can shoot a bunch for $20!
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686 or the 686

You can shoot 38 specials through it and it will have very little recoil. IMHO the best all around 357/38 revolver around.

Of course the M 617 (22lr) is the cheapest to shoot but costs as much as a 686.

Depends on what you want to do with the gun.
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MG, for you I would suggest starting out with the 617 or one that's not on your list, the model 63. Light recoil and cheap to shoot makes for a great way to start in live fire. Once you feel that you're ready for a 38 spl. look into an older tapered barrel model 15 or 67, that light weight barrel makes for a superbly balanced 4 inch 38 spl..
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The McNeil recommends the 686. Of course, that could be just my selfish desires, but I really think that's a good choice, for reasons already stated.
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Since you state this it for learning to shoot, I would recommend the 617. No recoil, accurate, and very inexpensive to shoot giving you much more actual trigger time for your dollar. You will develop a lot less bad habits wit a .22 than you might with a heavier recoiling revolver.
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mg357,

I would buy something in 357 so you don't have to change your screen name.

i.e. mg22, mg38special

So go with the 686 or if it's a large sum of money buy em all.
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For a trainer I would chose the 617.
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Everyone needs a .22. You have a very decent carry gun in the 36, but not one good for learning.

You can do a worlds worth of training and practice with the .22 rimfire. However comma, do not dry fire the .22 without fired cases or snap caps if they exist.
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Six....Eight...Six, would be a great start. Pricey ammo though. Model 17 if you plan on shooting allot.

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Get the 686 4 inch barrel, love mine so much i'm going to have it put in my casket when i die.

It's one of only 3 guns i'll carry

Now i will change ammo for different situations,like when i'm in the woods i'll 180 grain hard cast .357's, street carry i'll drop in some 130 grain personal defense,and when i'm at home i drop in 110 grain .38's

I've had mine since 1994 and put more than 15k through the gun and can't kill it.
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if your getting a lot of money get them all! but the 617 and 686 would cover alot of your needs. i have a no dash 21/2 inch 686 that i love! wish they made a 21/2 617 to go with it.
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I vote for the 617.

I have owned hundreds of Smiths, and I feel this one will allow you to enjoyably and somewhat painlessly (less cost) develop good basic skills before moving to a heavier weapon/caliber.
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Look for a beater/shooter grade Pre 10 M&P. 4" ones are easier to find holsters for. Try to get one with the older style front post. One made just after WW2 and before the Korea war ended might be a good time frame to "aim" for.

Prowl around Gunbroker, et al, there's plenty of older revolvers to be had. Just find a transfer FFL. To me, these make more sense than any of the latter day reincarnations of the classics.
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617 first then either a 686 or a Victory.
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I think id just start with the first gun you run across that would be on your list that met your requirements.
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I think id just start with the first gun you run across that would be on your list that met your requirements.
That's a good policy here in The People's Republik. Older S&W revolvers aren't on the sacred roster so are somewhat hard to come by. When they DO show up in the consignment case they usually don't last long so ya kinda gotta be quick on the trigger.

I hunted for a year before finding my 4" 686. I happened to be in the shop when it went in the case & snagged it before the ink was dry on the price tag. I won't say I payed too much but I bought it pretty early.
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I agree with that advice.
I have (2) m63's no dash, along with a m34-1 (2 inch).
Costs almost nothing to shoot.
I'm teaching my sister to shoot on the m63.
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All of the guns you mention are great additions to any collection. Since you mention wanting it for a training tool and also mention that you have no experience shooting a handgun, go for the 617. You'll get an easy to control, well crafted, very accurate gun that is cheap to shoot. If you want to become a good shot, you have to send a lot of lead downrange.
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I think your best bet is to learn with the .22 first. As others have mentioned, it is the most cost effective and will afford lots of practice for the basics (yet still challenges) of sight picture, trigger control, grip, and overall learning.

I hope whatever you decide on you are more than satisfied with!
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I was also new to revolvers and first got a 617 about 4 months ago. Put 2500 round thu her then just bought a 686 4 inch the other day (10 day wait in CA). The 617 gives you a lot of cheap practice. My ammo cost for the 2500 rounds was only about $150. Where the same amount of shooting will cost me about $750 with the 686.
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TRAINING is the key word I'm hearing and vote for the 617 in 4". better yet get both.
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I recently bought a S&W model 10-10 4". It was a used Australian police gun from buds $229 delivered and the finish was almost gone. At first I was sorry I purchased it, then I took it to the range. It shoots like a dream, the action is smoother than any other gun I own and I have more than a few. Accuracy is unbelievable, you can put round after round one on top of the other from 20 yards away.

My vote is model 10.

I also purchased a model 13-2 which is identical to the model 10 just shoots .357
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Another vote for a solid .22 caliber revolver as an initial revolver. The 617 is good as is the 63.

The 686 is a solid next step. I carried a 586 nickel plated for years and is one of the top three(3) guns I regret trading.

I now have a 686 2 1/2" that is an assigned off duty sidearm as well as a 686 4" and 681 (fixed sights) that are prized.

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617, or a 63 22LR to learn and cheap practice,

A USED MODEL 10, for centerfire (38 Special practice),

Transistion to a 686,

A "J"-Frame for carry.

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Depending on how much shooting you will be doing and you are not buying a handgun for serious business I would opt for the 617 for the first handgun. Then if you are going to collect S&Ws you need to decide on a catagory (blued, stainless, prewar, postwar, N or K frame, ETC) because believe me you can't collect them all. But some of us try.

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For a "first gun" I recommend a .22. If you were just buying it to sit by the bed for home defense I would get a bigger caliber, but you said you wanted to start shooting. My concern is you would hold back from the cost of ammunition. With a .22 you can shoot as much as you want.
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Depends on how rich you are going to be. If it's real rich I'd get them all. If it's sort of rich I'd start with the 22 because they are a lot of fun to shoot and the ammo is cheap. Then I would get a Model 64 which is also fun to shoot and is about as perfectly balanced as a revolver can be. I wouldn't be concerned about not being able to shoot 357 unless you are willing to put up with the recoil or the noise if you are forced to use it in an indoor self defense situation. There are excellent 38 special +P rounds that are effective in self defense situations if that is one of your purposes in owning one.

You are not likely to go wrong with any of the choices on your list. Good luck.
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the 4 inch 617 in any of its "dash" models is the best training revolver one could own, plus it is a near twin to the best all around revolver on your list, the 686 4 inch. I own both and they make a superlative pair of revolvers. Both are accurate in the extreme.

If you are buying only one to start, go for the 617 .22 LR, then as soon as you feel comfortable spending the money get the 686.
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mg...I like the 686 but I also find the L frame a bit heavy for .38 plinking. I would go with a 4" Model 19...great weight and balance....if you find an old 15 and don't need to shoot magnums, that would work too. I have a 4" 10 and a 2" 15 along with a 6" 17, and 6" 19. Love them all.

Hey, it's been over a year...so what did you decide?
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Hey, it's been over a year...so what did you decide?
I looked at his posts. He has asked recently about Model 10s. He posted about severe health issues also.
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^^^ Agreed with Sip.
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Another 617 vote here;-)
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I'd look for a good used M17 K22. Lighter weight than a M617 and better balance INHO.

I got lucky a few years back and found a 1947 K22, cheap. Poor finish, perfect bore and chambers. Can't ask for anything more.
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Folks i went with a heritage manufacturing rough rider single action revolver with a 3 inch barrel. In fact if you want to read the thread that i started on my .22 revoler please look for a thread that is titled i have some gun news to share. It gives a little more information about my .22

p.s. i want to say thank you for all of the advice and suggestions that you gave me on this thread i really appreciate it very much

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Sumthing in .22 LR...........Great for startin out.

That's where just about all good handgun shots started, I'd say.


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