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View Poll Results: Would You Carry A Revolver, if allowed?
Yes I would, I like the reliablity 69 69.70%
No I would not, I would feel out-gunned 30 30.30%
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Old 10-09-2011, 12:13 PM
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So I come from a legal family. My father is a retired New Mexico State Police officer, my mother is the Supervisor of the legal staff of the Las Cruces branch of the U.S. Attorneys office(busiest district in the nation), my brother and sister-in-law are both lawyers, I have various other family members in local law enforcement and corrections; needless to say its the family business.

I have a bachelors in Criminal Justice and am applying to several law enforcement organizations, local and federal. I have passed both the US Border Patrol and US Customs exams and am waiting for background packets, but I really am interested in local law enforcement.

A local law enforcement organization is hiring, and asking a friend who works there about it I asked do they issue a duty weapon or can you carry your own, approved weapon. He stated you buy your own, and said that, you can carry a revolver.

I do understand the need for officers to carry a higher capacity duty weapon, but I also understand training on the weapon is going to have a lot of influence on the outcome of an officer involved shooting. I think the more you have, the more you are gonna fire is what ends up happening.

What I wanted to ask, if given the opportunity, would you carry a revolver over an auto. And if so what revolver. Just thinking, I would probably carry a 627, 8 shots bridges the gap with some autos. Plus with the moon clips, reloading would be quick.
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Old 10-09-2011, 12:15 PM
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.45 autoloader and a Jframe bug.
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For every day duty carry it's a G19 and a G26 on the ankle however as a detective I can and will on occasion carry my Model 19. On patrol and most of the time as an investigator and off duty it's a Glock.
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My preference would be any 3rd generation auto. The M&P is over rated as a duty weapon.
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Old 10-09-2011, 12:38 PM
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There is nothing wrong with a revolver and a lot right with them. Not to say there are not better guns but a revolver is very dependable and accuracy is improved when the number of shots are limited.

That said, a 1911 in .45acp is as good as it gets. A few shots less than the .40 or 9mm but a couple more than the revolver. Delivers more punch and gets attention by those facing it.
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As an investigator for the DA's office I can carry whatever I want...Sumdays it's a wheel gun, sumtimes I carry an auto.

Always a BUG and a spare of some kind in the trunk of my car.

I think proficiency is more important that round count.

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with a personally owned model 66, carried it with two municipal PDs then State Parks. Later model 10 HB. We are now issued Glock .45s, mine a 30sf.

But still carry a .38 Special in my pocket every day.
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S&W "N" Frame 4".45acp w/full moon clips is my #1 choice. Ammo -230gr hydro-shocks.

#2 choice: S&W wheelgun with a caliber that starts with a "4".
With the proper holster a S&W Model 25-2 6.5" barrel and Hogue soft rubber combat grips.replace the target hammer and target trigger with standard hammer and trigger.
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I carried a revolver as a back up and for off duty, however for duty I carried a Colt Gold Cup and wouldn't trade it for anything. That being said, I love revolvers.
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Would be plenty comfortable with either a Model 65 (my first and favorite duty gun) or one of my Para Ordnance 7.45s (LDA 1911-style).
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With the reliable autos available today, I don't think revolvers are too much more appropriate as an on-duty issue gun today than cap and ball revolvers were beyond the years when double action cartridge revolvers became commonplace. I'd be "comfortable" with a revolver only because I know how little guns are used in law enforcement. I'd be more comfortable with a hi cap auto as an issue gun. The only argument "for" revolvers in law enforcement today as far as I'm concerned is either as a back-up/pocket gun, or nostalgia. I didn't answer the poll because I would not "not" carry a revolver because I'd feel "under gunned". I would not carry a revolver as a primary gun or advocate issuing one as a primary gun because I think there are better choices. If I wanted to look cool and retro, I'd carry my blue 4" Model 25-5 with extra rounds in loops. Otherwise, it would likely be some kind of Glock or Sig in .40 with 16 rounds and two extra mags. For a total of 46 instead of 18. And an 870 and some type of AR15 in the car.

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I didn't vote in the poll because, while I am allowed and am be perfectly comfortable carrying a revolver on duty (and do not feel outgunned), I prefer to carry a 1911. I do stay qualified with my 586 L-Comp and carry it occasionally, in brown basketweave leather, when the circumstances call for a.... "classier", more traditional appearance.

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How can us non-LEO see the results without voting, thereby skewing the results???
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How can us non-LEO see the results without voting, thereby skewing the results???
At this point the results are;

23 = yes
6 = no
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My 1st duty gun was a M-65 as well.
I loved it then and carry one as my personal weapon now.
I currently carry a M&P 40.
..FWIW ,I do not have a issue with it..
I do not understand all the negitives that seem to be
shown on this site.
It is, what it is, a plastic pistol..you know what he masses want.
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I sometimes carry my 627 PC when I am in plain clothes. Not much wrong with 8 .357s.
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I have mentioned on here before, my first duty weapon was a Ruger Security Six in .357 Mag. In the early 90's the department I worked for went to the Sig P229. I was happy with that for many years. That was replaced in another dept. with a P226, then that was traded out for a Glock 22. I absolutely hate the Glock. I have seen more malfunctions on the firing line in the little over two years with them than the previous 20 something with the Sigs. Really and truly. The J frame as a BUG always though.
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Let's get that gig line squared away, huh?
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I started out with a S&W 629, target hammer, target trigger, magna-ported, 4" barrel. I transitioned to a Colt 45, then finally found my favorite duty waepon hands down; a Glock 20. 16 rounds of ammo that had 750 fpe each. Not near what a .44 mag delivers, but I could hammer follow-up shots much quicker and with more accuracy shooting the Glock. I have two Glock 20s now, both are as tricked out as you can make a Glock. One is my duty weapon, and the other I added a 6" barrel and slide. Both have tritium night sights. My bedside gun is the Glock 20 with the 6" barrel & slide.
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I'm not a LEO so I didn't vote (so your poll is not contaminated), but for what it's worth. I don't think revolvers are outdated and still serve the overall purpose of a handgun. Defense. Six for Sure and six is more than enough more most situations (and I can handle speedloaders pretty well). If you can't take care of things for one reason or another with 6 shots...1) you're probably going to die anyway and 2) you don't need ANY handgun, you need a rifle or a shotgun....or maybe even two guys with Tommy guns next to you (especially if you don't know how to shoot)

In a major one in a million years shootout that makes headlines like the North Hollywood shootout back in the 1990s, as they say, your handgun is to shoot your way to your long gun that you never should have put down in the first place.

I've been CCing for 7 years now. I've always felt more than adequately armed with a 4 inch .38 Spl. service revolver or even a snub nose Detective Special with 2-4 speedloaders. Policemen carried revolvers for 100 years and were adequately armed. Criminals have been using high capacity weapons since the 1920s and 30s with the BAR, Thompson, 1911 and Browning Hi-Power 9mm. (When needed, police brought shotguns and submachine guns for backup)

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Couldn't vote cause I'm using tapatalk but I carried a M19 then a 686 for most my career. Started out on the NMSP in the 70s. Switched to an auto in 92 cause the PD I was on made us would have carried my 686 til retirement if I could have.

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The question may be Generational, but the 38 Special / 357 Mag sent many a bad guy to his reward. Lower round count stressed shooting not just spraying lead. The shotgun, high capacity auto and now it's accompanied by an AR is a sign of our times. In older times though some of the storied gangsters carried Autos, Revolvers, Shotguns, Machine Guns, BAR'S, you name it.
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Below the poll is the "Vote" button. Look to the far right of that.
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I was issued and carried a 4" Model 28 for most of my 20 years in LE. (still got it, they gave it to me when I retired).

If for some weird reason I was to go back into LE, I would take my Model 28 without any hesitation.
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I started with a 4' Model 10 pencil barrel. Retired with a Sig P226 .40. Much prefer the Sig.
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Interesting poll. I have asked the cops and retired cops I shoot with the same question with fairly similar results. I think the older cops who had experience with revolvers on the job are more positive about revolvers. If i were a cop i would likely carry a Glock 17 just because of how incredibly reliable my competition gun has been but I would be plenty happy with a S&W K frame like the Model 64.
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Go with Customs. Local law enforcement is fun while you're young, but the Feds will pay you more, have better benefits, job mobility, promotional opprtunities, career resources and best of all, job security. Local agencies are cutting budgets and laying off/firing personnel nationwide. Feds do not. The worst we've endured is a 2 year pay freeze. That's the worst I've seen in 21 years as a fed.
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As of December 1st 2011 DA Investigators in NC may carry revolvers again. 1911's too! For the last two years both those choices were off limits.

I just purchased a LNIB 4" 66-4 for the occasion. I will be carrying it when the mood hits me. The model 66 was a revolver I carried for a long time. I am well armed with one. Regards 18DAI.
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Despite common belief, round count does not win gun fights in law enforcement. Shot placement and skill win.
I'm kind if bipolar when it comes to duty guns. Some days its a 1911, some a 627 Pro, then an M&P 45. It depends on my mood mostly, but I've never felt out gunned with a revolver. For the once in a carreer "active shooter" scenerio I've got one of my high cap long guns to call on.
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[QUOTE]=Moonman;136151279]

The question may be Generational, but the 38 Special / 357 Mag sent many a bad guy to his reward.

[QUOTE]


Ya know I been thinkin the same thing...Folks turn their nose up at the S&W .357 Magnum with a hot 125gr HP,
But clamor all over the 125gr .357 Sig cartridge.

Deject the .41 caliber, but fall head over heels for the .40 short & weak.

I've worked with a feller that carries a large caliber (.45) sidearm and then a .22LR bug, go figger that one...

I'm gonna have to ponder this sum more...


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I pondered this thread last night too. With the new NC statute arming assistant district attorney's (Elected DA's and DAI's have always been authorized) the wording is so vague that you can carry anything you can qualify with. Hell, you could carry class III if you wanted to according to the statute! A few years ago the agency we qualify with stopped qualifying six shot revolvers as primary duty guns. Seems the FTO thought they were antiquated. 1911's were prohibited since 1998. Dunno why....

Being I don't kick in doors, or storm beaches, a revolver works for me. I need a precision handgun capable of delivering a shot in a crowded hallway or courtroom. Out on the street I'm not likely to face more than two opponents. I've yet to run across any of the crowds of methed up, well armed, aggresive gangs I read about on some internet gunboards.

I think everyone who carry's a gun for serious, LEO or not, should carry what they are proficient with. Comfort being secondary. I define proficient as in place two shots into 3 inches or less, at 10 feet, very FAST.

If you can do that with your handgun, repeatedly and on demand, you are well armed IMO.

I have worked well over 300 gunshot homicides in the past sixteen years. The vast majority of those folks were killed with small caliber rounds, 9mm or less in most of the cases. There was one constant though in every one of them - shot placement. To me it is the most important factor, more than handgun caliber or capacity. Even with good shot placement I can recall a couple of shootings where nobody died. Afterall, handguns are not the best manstoppers, regardless of caliber.....although 357's are really pretty good....

The one shooting where someone should have died - but didn't - that sticks out in my mind was done with a Glock 22 40 cal. The perp was shot in the neck - through and through - at around 7 feet from the shooter. The 40 JHP was laying on the floor looking pristine and ready for reloading. The perp was ambulatory and was walked out to the ambulance. He lived, and went to prison. Made alot of the officers who were carrying Glock 22's wonder.....

So, I think I will break out my 66-4 on December 1st and be as comfortable and well armed with it as I am with my S&W 45's. And my back won't hurt from carrying it either! Regards 18DAI
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I VOTED YES FOR DUTY REVOLVERS. I'M 27 YEARS OLD AND HAVE BEEN IN LAW ENFORCEMENT SINCE I WAS 21. I STARTED OUT CARRYING A PERSONALLY OWNED GLOCK 35 (LONG SLIDE .40 CAL). I THEN WENT TO MY CURRENT DEPT. WHERE WE ARE ISSUED GLOCK 22 THEN LATER TURNED THEM IN FRON GLOCK 17 OR 21'S. I CARRIED MY GLOCK 22 UNTIL I PURCHASED A SPRINGFIELD XD 45. I CARRIED IT ABOUT A YEAR THEN I GOT ON THE DEPTS PISTOL TEAM WHERE WE SHOOT ALOT OF PPC. I FELL IN LOVE WITH REVOLVERS AND AFTER SOME BEGGING AND PLEADING I WAS ALLOWED TO CARRY A MODEL 627 8 SHOT .357MAG. I FINISHED OUT FIREARMS INSTRUCTOR SCHOOL IN JULY WHERE WE ARE MANDATED TO SHOOT SEMI AUTOS FOR THE 1ST 40 HOURS. I STILL CARRY MY 627 WITH A 12 ROUND LOOP LOADER AND 2 FULL MOON CLIPS. 36 ROUNDS OF 357MAG AND I CAN LOAD THE MOON CLIPS AS FAST AS A RELOAD WITH A MAGAZINE. IT JUST TAKES SOME PRACTICE. I WORK A VERY RUAL DISTRICT AND AM OFTEN THE ONLY OFFICER RESPONDING TO HOT CALLS AND I HAVE NEVER FELT OUT GUNNED.
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Despite common belief, round count does not win gun fights in law enforcement. Shot placement and skill win.
While it may be true that the AVERAGE law enforcement shooting doesn't require that the officer have more than a 5 or 6 shot revolver, I prefer to be prepared for a WORSE than average situation like a Hollywood bank shoot out or an FBI/Miami-type situation when it's no more inconvenient to do so than carrying a hi cap auto with two mags and a carbine and a shotgun in the trunk.

Why prepare for the average when you can be a lot more prepared with little or no extra effort? Hi cap guns absolutely have a place in law enforcement, especially when the bad guys have had that capability for a long time. You want to be prepared to take on the average bad guy or the one who trains more than you do?

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Go with Customs. Local law enforcement is fun while you're young, but the Feds will pay you more, have better benefits, job mobility, promotional opprtunities, career resources and best of all, job security. Local agencies are cutting budgets and laying off/firing personnel nationwide. Feds do not. The worst we've endured is a 2 year pay freeze. That's the worst I've seen in 21 years as a fed.
Customs would be my number one choice, but getting hired is going to be a looooong process.
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I carried an S&W 659. Very accurate and reliable.
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I spent over 30 years in law enforcement and only carried an auto when required. A model 28 in a break-front holster with a J-frame for back up is my preferred set up.
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While it may be true that the AVERAGE law enforcement shooting doesn't require that the officer have more than a 5 or 6 shot revolver, I prefer to be prepared for a WORSE than average situation like a Hollywood bank shoot out or an FBI/Miami-type situation when it's no more inconvenient to do so than carrying a hi cap auto with two mags and a carbine and a shotgun in the trunk.

Why prepare for the average when you can be a lot more prepared with little or no extra effort? Hi cap guns absolutely have a place in law enforcement, especially when the bad guys have had that capability for a long time. You want to be prepared to take on the average bad guy or the one who trains more than you do?
I'd never say high cap guns don't have a plcae in law enforcement, and I'd agree revolvers shouldn't be carried by every cop out there. If an Officer really needs a 15 or more round pistol then have at it. Those extra rounds won't make up for a lack of training though.

Don't confuse carrying a revolver as a sign of a lack of training or proficiency. Not all revolver carrying cops are non-proficient shooters, just as not all high cap auto shooters are highly trained or proficient. For some of us the revolver works very well. I want to be prepared to stop the guy who is pointing the gun at me right now, with the first shot, from the gun I shoot best.....
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On November 13, 1994 @1805 hrs., The San Francisco Police Department lost one of the finest, hardest working young officers I have ever known. A lone gunman engaged him with a high cap rifle from 20yards away as Officer James Guelff exited the driver's side of his marked unit. Officer Guelff was hit in the left shoulder but engaged the gunman with his S&W M28-4". firing 6 rounds at the suspect. Officer Guelff wounded, sought cover while he reloaded. The suspect came out from his position of cover, ran over to where Officer Guelff was secreted under a vehicle and mortally wounded him with shots to the head. Officer Guelff's back=up arrived 1 minute later. That Officer used 17 of his 18 rounds, also from a M28 to keep the suspect from charging him. At least 7 of these rounds struck the suspect in the exchange but were neutralized by body armor. It took 30 cops and hundreds of rounds to stop this threat.
Question: If Officer Guelff had possessed a high cap semi-auto, could he have held the gunman in place for 1 more minute and lived to raise his children?

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If an Officer really needs a 15 or more round pistol then have at it.
You won't know if you "need" one until you're trying to reload under fire from loops or speed loaders....or your pocket....Or worse yet, have nothing to reload. Or are trying to shoot your way back to your car to get your shotgun and run out before you get there...Most of the guys I hear talking about how "If six shots aren't enough, you weren't trained well enough" have never been involved in ANY shootings, let alone one against an adversary or adversaries with hi capacity weapons. Many of these types are living vicariously through Wyatt Earp or Elmer Keith or something....(Wyatt Earp wouldn't have been carrying a single action six-shooter if a Glock high capacity 9 or .40 had been available at the time...)

A uniformed cop who carries a revolver these days when the size of the frame isn't an issue likely does so for the sake of nostalgia or the "cool" factor.....

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Mike E; Your post is the first one, for me, to really put the capacity issue into real world perspective. Without resorting to questioning the skill or awareness level, or what western figure the poster is living vicariously through, you put this in clear perspective. Thank you for that! Your post has really got me thinking about capacity. Thank you!

Maximum; Most LE people will never be involved in a gun fight, thank God. But don't use that fact to assume some of us don't speak from real life experience.....
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Maximum; Most LE people will never be involved in a gun fight, thank God. But don't use that fact to assume some of us don't speak from real life experience.....
I'm not assuming anything. Most of the guys I hear talking about what is needed in a gunfight have never been in a gunfight......
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I selected no. I carried a revolver as a duty weapon many years and still carry one (642) as a BUG and occassional off-duty. If told to go back to to a revolver it wouldn't cause me to worry (as long as it ws a minimum of .357 magnum).

My issued duty weapon is a Glock 23. Reliable, durable and reasonably accurate. I would prefer that it was a single stack 7-8 shot.
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I can only speak to the situations I have been in or worked. A revolver would have worked or did work just as well as a semi-auto. Most of them were short and quick with only a few rounds fired. That is a fact. If you are comfortable with a revolver and can carry it within policy, there is nothing wrong with doing so.

There isn't a perfect answer to this question and won't be until we are all armed with phasers. That is why even large agencies can't decide what is best and waffle from weapon brand to brand, and caliber to caliber.

The FBI went through a lot of testing in the aftermath of the "Miami Shootout" to arrive at the S&W 1076/10mm lite combination as the perfect choice only to ditch it when some agents couldn't handle it. The facts are that a .38 Spl. and a .12 Ga. were all that was needed to end that fight, if they'd been placed on target to begin with. That is easier said than done when your adversary is shooting at you and moving. The same could be said for the North Hollywood shootout. Well-placed headshots with almost anything could have ended that but once again, that is easier said than done.

My former department allowed us to carry almost anything we wanted. When I first started, folks carried .38s, .357s, .41s, 44s, 45s, 9mms, 45 ACPs, etc. As autos became more reliable, we saw more carrying 9mms and 45 ACPs. Then came the 40s. Most still carried 9mms, 45 ACPs or .38s. Most of the situations I saw were handled without having a mag change or a fresh speedloader. That is not to say something could happen that would require more shots but I never saw it.

If I were you, I wouldn't base my survival/victory strategy even on what I have just said. But I would base it on a system that I was required to use, or if I had the option, one that I was comfortable with. Then I would be certain that I practiced religiously, and kept my equipment, my body and my mind in excellent shape. Even this may not be enough. You must also develop a will to win; that you will not quit, no matter what. And lastly, always wear your armor. When you have done everything you can and still get hit, it may keep you in the fight.

Last, as has been previously stated, this is not a game. You cannot see what the course is and "game it" to your advantage. There is no "golden bullet", no perfect weapon or one way to do it.

Sorry, I didn't mean to get on a soapbox.

Added comment: While I was putting in my eight mile run this morning, I got to thinking about the cap and ball revolver comment. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't carry one today; but, I wouldn't want to face a pistolero like "Wild Bill" Hickock armed with a brace of .36 caliber Colt Navys even if I did have the newest wizz-bang auto pistol and a slew of magazines on my hip. That is ... not that I want to get in another armed encounter with anyone for that matter. The point is, if you are proficient with a revolver, you can certainly take someone armed with a new Grock and a 33-round stick.

Once again, sorry to rant and I hope no offense was taken by anyone here.
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id pack my pre 27 3.5 blue 357 mag in a sec on my duty belt,,, after all handguns are to buy you time so i can get to my m-4 carbine in the trunk

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