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Old 01-29-2012, 05:49 PM
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The history of the Tuskegee Airmen is an incredible story that most everyone here knows fairly well. The sad thing about this movie is there virtually none of that great history incorporated into the flick. The character development is non-existent and the movie portrays these heroic men in a less than flattering stereotypical light. The portrayal of the German pilots creates a comic book atmosphere and the over the top CG feeds the comic illusion. The character development is pretty much non existent with all your stereotypical chacters, from the reckless hotshot, the stern commander, the comedian, the child, and the list of clichés go on




The Tuskegee Airmen who fought off segregation and Nazis during World War II, merit a great film. "Red Tails" is not it.
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Thanks for the review, I had planned on seeing it now I'm not so sure. I have had the honor of meeting several of the surviving Airmen at the Museum of Flight. They are courageous heros. Sorry to hear the film sucked.
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The trailer I saw on TV was enough for me to stay home. I doubt all that gangsta talk-up stuff was around in the 1940s.
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Sorry you didn't enjoy it, I doubt that I would either, I'm about sick to death of CG special effects. They're so overdone anymore, they look as phoney as the "models on strings" days...blech...
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After watching the trailer on TV, I too decided not to spend my money. The effects looked like a darn video game to me.
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I read a recent interview with George Lucas in which he belittled capitalism and free enterprise. When the interviewer asked how he could put down the system that made him wealthy, he was silent.
A more meaningful movie is "The Wereth 11". It tells the story of 11 black GIs who were trapped behind enemy lines at the beginning of the Bulge. They were betrayed to the SS who brutally treated them-then murdered them.
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As I've met a few of the real Tuskegee Airmen a couple times in my life, I'm still going to watch the movie.
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I read a recent interview with George Lucas in which he belittled capitalism and free enterprise. When the interviewer asked how he could put down the system that made him wealthy, he was silent.
A more meaningful movie is "The Wereth 11". It tells the story of 11 black GIs who were trapped behind enemy lines at the beginning of the Bulge. They were betrayed to the SS who brutally treated them-then murdered them.
Now you've done gone and told the ending . . . I can't sit through it now knowing they're all going to die.
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The trailer I saw on TV was enough for me to stay home. I doubt all that gangsta talk-up stuff was around in the 1940s.
Yeah, when I saw the locker room pep style chant thing, I pretty much figured it was a bad movie.

I also have had the privilege of meeting a genuine Tuskegee Airman. He was a genuine and humble man. The previews showed a completely wrong set of characters.
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I saw this on the trailer and decided that if I watch it at all, it will be on PPV on cable. It looks like more revisionist ****.
No wonder it took Lucas 20 years to get anyone to produce it. At that, I think he underwrote a lot of it himself.

That bit just sounded like all the **** you hear in football locker rooms and on the side lines. It might be fine for amping up players, but I just don't see the military doing that sort of thing during World War II.
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It seems to me that I glanced up during a trailer for the movie the other day and they were strafing an aircraft carrier? Maybe I was wrong... but I wondered, "Where'd they find a (enemy)carrier to strafe in the ETO?"
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Thanks for the heads-up. A good friend (RIP) of my dad’s and the family was a gunner on a B-17 in WWII. He spoke of the Tuskegee Airmen with respect and praise. This appears to be one more historical account that Hollywood has turned into pabulum.
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It seems to me that I glanced up during a trailer for the movie the other day and they were strafing an aircraft carrier? Maybe I was wrong... but I wondered, "Where'd they find a (enemy)carrier to strafe in the ETO?"
Not a carrier, a destroyer. Which is accurate since the unit was credited with sinking a destroyer.

I just watched the trailer on line again. I'm still not impressed with the movie.
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I'm going to see it this week. Its got Terence Howard, good guys killing Nazis, and P-51 Mustangs. I don't care if they're CGI - I"m pretty sure there aren't enough real ones around to make a movie.



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Not a carrier, a destroyer. Which is accurate since the unit was credited with sinking a destroyer.

I just watched the trailer on line again. I'm still not impressed with the movie.
Ok. Like I said, I just glanced up as the trailer was going off the screen, so I obviously didn't see it well. Thanks.
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Ok. Like I said, I just glanced up as the trailer was going off the screen, so I obviously didn't see it well. Thanks.
I had to go to the website and view the trailer on line to be sure. Looking carefully, I found the CGI effects to be even less lifelike than just glancing at them on TV. Definitely going to be a PPV thing if I see it at all.
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The trailer does say "inspired by true events"-it doesn't say it portrays them. Feels like a WWII movie made during WWII-say in 1942 or '43.
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Well Im just glad they made it,even if it's not so good. They dont teach our kids any relevant history in school anymore and maybe this is one way to get the message out about those brave aviators.
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There was a perfectly good HBO movie called The Tuskegee Airmen made in 1995 that told their story with reasonable accuracy. Why Spielberg should chose to do a remake with non-period linguistics is beyond me.

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The CGI makes the movie look more like a cartoon.
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I hate most CGI effects. If you want to see real fighters expertly flown, see, "Battle of Britain."

I saw how much different the TV remake of, "Cleopatra" was compared to the 1962 movie. Both were very good, but the CGI in the latter made the Battle of Actium and the Alexandria lighthouse look like cartoons.
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There were so many things wrong with this movie it is had to remember them all, let alone list them. Here are a couple of my top razzies: Warning if you are planning to see the movie, you may not want to read these.







1. There is this big bunch of BS how other P-51 bomber escort squadrons would leave the bombers undefended to go chase German decoy planes. Puhleese, the reason the P-51 was such a boon to US airwar was its range abilities that allowed it to fly the full mission with the bombers, protecting them all the way to the target and back. They did not run off to chase other german planes. I was literally seething in my seat while this pack of BS was playing on the screen.

2. The "Magical" areobatic manuever that the German ace uses in the movie would black out the pilot and tear off the wings of the plane if you actually attempted it. When the American pilot uses his version of the move, it is even more unreal and I actually laughed when I watched it.

3. In Italy the planes that the Tuskegee escorted where B-24's not B-17's. A friend of mine Dad flew the 24's there.

I could go on but I wont.
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It's a comic-book version of history made by a man with too much money and a skin-deep understanding of pretty much everything. Lucas is much better as an idea man. And his ideas work best when he's got talented people around him who can take the vision and beat it into something workable. That didn't happen here.

I don't regret seeing it. I just look at it as paying five bucks to watch the flight sequences (some of which were...meh).


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Just form seeing the previews on TV it looks to much like a comic book. I wont waste my time and I love aircraft form WWII. Seems like a slap in the face to these brave men.


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The Tuskegee Airmen movie made in 1995 was pretty good, IMO. "The screen story was co-authored by Robert Williams, one of the pilots trained at Tuskegee."
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I read a recent interview with George Lucas in which he belittled capitalism and free enterprise. When the interviewer asked how he could put down the system that made him wealthy, he was silent.
A more meaningful movie is "The Wereth 11". It tells the story of 11 black GIs who were trapped behind enemy lines at the beginning of the Bulge. They were betrayed to the SS who brutally treated them-then murdered them.
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I'm probably going to skip this movie.... I had the honor of serving in the USAF with the 8th TFW, when GEN (then Colonel) Chappie James was our Wing Vice-Commander. (GEN (the Colonel) Robin Olds was our Wing Commander.) Both of these men were truly inspirational fellows. I wonder how they'd fare in today's military.... I also had the privilege of knowing Col. Bill Holloman III, who was also, with GEN James, a member of the Tuskeegee Airman. They both were true gentlemen and patriots of the highest order. I'm proud to have served in the military (even as a young pup) that they were part of. IMHO, George Lucas and his friends should stick to a different genre.
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It's funny that I saw on tv the other night the "premier" of the movie with the red carpet and all, and talking with the stars of the movie they stressed about how there were actual members of the Tuskegee Airmen on the set as consultants, and how they would often interrupt shooting to "straighten things out"... I'll watch it but after it goes to Netflix...
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I went to see Red Tails last week and was appalled. The insubordination, trash-talking and out-there bravado and BS-ing that happened in this movie never occurred in the skies of Europe in World War II.

Those pilots were professional military officers, college-educated gentlemen, and they conducted themselves as such. I guarantee you that no member of the 332nd Fighter Group ever walked into a briefing and shouted out "Ah almos' got keeeeeled, yo!" What a crock!

The Tuskegee Airmen were engaged in a grim fight against both a foreign enemy bent on killing them and a racist social establishment bent on oppressing them. Theirs is a compelling, terrific story, one that needs no embellishment. They deserved better than this, and George Lucas should be ashamed of himself.
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After watching the trailer on TV, I too decided not to spend my money. The effects looked like a darn video game to me.
It was worse than that. A lone P-51 dives on a German destroyer and sets it ablaze and exploding with two strafing passes. P-40s repeatedly strafe a German airfield and blow it up. No oxygen masks at altitude. Airplanes defying the laws of physics over and over again...ridiculous.
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Yeah, when I saw the locker room pep style chant thing, I pretty much figured it was a bad movie.

I also have had the privilege of meeting a genuine Tuskegee Airman. He was a genuine and humble man. The previews showed a completely wrong set of characters.
I too have met several of the Tuskegee Airmen over the years, at airshows and at events at the National Air and Space Museum. I agree with you 100%...they are gentlemen, and not the trash-talking nincompoops depicted in this terrible movie.
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Just saw an interview with George Lucas on TV.

He said he approached all 7 movie studios about this movie and they all turned him down. Their reasons? That 60-70% of the profits come from overseas, and that no one over seas would want to see it. And, there was no way to market the movie over seas.

So Lucas put up 100 million dollars of his on money to make the movie, and another 35 million to market it.

To steal a line from the movie Hildago, "Only time will tell if he has made a wise decision".
Germany is one of the biggest markets for American movies. Given the way the Germans are depicted in this silly flick, I doubt they would dare ever release it there.
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It's a comic-book version of history made by a man with too much money and a skin-deep understanding of pretty much everything. Lucas is much better as an idea man. And his ideas work best when he's got talented people around him who can take the vision and beat it into something workable. That didn't happen here.

I don't regret seeing it. I just look at it as paying five bucks to watch the flight sequences (some of which were...meh).


The 332nd rates a movie. Just not this one.
Five bucks??? The cost of living must be pretty low down there in the Lone Star State! Here in the Peoples' Republic of Maryland I wasted $10.50 to see this loser of a film...
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I've enjoyed other films by this producer. But they were merely fantasy efforts. This film is is blatantly dishonest. I will not will not watch it.
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Five bucks??? The cost of living must be pretty low down there in the Lone Star State! Here in the Peoples' Republic of Maryland I wasted $10.50 to see this loser of a film...
We've got three colleges in this dive of a town, so both theaters offer matinee prices regardless of showtime if you present a student ID.

I've saved a lot of money watching so-so movies that way.
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Too bad. It's a story that bears a good telling.
I've gone to EAA AirVenture at Oshkosh almost every year since 1973. I've had the pleasure of meeting several of the Red Tail pilots, gentlemen all.
My favorite time was this: I was working for FAA and assigned to AirVenture. We got word someone had done a no-no and had just landed and taxied to parking on the north ramp. I was tasked to go find the pilot. It was pouring rain; cats and dogs.
I jumped in a golf cart and was headed north on the ramps when I passed an elderly black man. He had no rain protection, was splashing in the puddles, and looking outward as though unsure where he was going. I just had a feeling he looked familiar. I did a u-y back to him. I said "Can I give you a ride?" He was soaked. He said he was looking for the Warbirds hanger because he was supposed to give a talk.
I knew in that moment exactly who he was. Charles McGee! What a treat to give him a ride to the seminar. One of so many wonderful moments at AirVenture I'll never forget.
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We watched it on Netflix. No, it was not very good.

However, observant viewers will have noticed Daniel Ruah as Sofia, the Italian beauty on the roof top as they flew in to land!
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