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Old 02-03-2012, 03:24 PM
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it started in the"sugar thread" and I didn't wanted to disrupt it, so I started this "shark thread."

I am interested in sharks and support different shark conservation projects around this world. Mostly wth money, but also with spreading their work.

Sharks are so fascinating that I started my own project called keep-sharks-alive.

The mission of keep-sharks-alive is to enlighten people regarding sharks, and to provide a general understanding of sharks and reduce the fear of them.

The whole idea behind is to act locally and get more people involved into sharks.

Sharks are endangered and unfortunately almost extinct.
But they are really fascinating.

Most divers have contact with sharks and then wanted to know more about them. In my case sharks are the reason that I want to learn how to dive.

We know more about dinos than sharks. And sharks are on this planet for about 450 Mio. years...
So I think they deserve it to be protected.

I'm not a priest and I do not try to change peope. But humans have to learn and not just destroy anything they fear.

Use this thread to share everything you want about sharks. I don't consider myself an shark expert. So I don't know everything. But if you have a question (senses, shark attacks, etc.), go ahead. I'm sure I or friends of mine can answer it or having at least an idea. I can also recommend a lot of books.

And I have to thank the supporters of KEEP SHARKS ALIVE. They help make it possible for us to progress faster with our mission and ensure the equipment we are using is safe and reliable!
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I applaud efforts to save sharks, but think that their coming extinction is exaggerated. Some species are endangered more than others.

I don't approve of commercial fishing for them, except that the dogfish used in the UK for fish and chips may be numerous enough for that. They are small sharks. And they damage the nets and catches of fishermen seeking other species.

I do not approve of laws that might prevent someone defending against a shark attack, and more occur than the shark huggers want us to realize. I've followed the matter for over 30 years, and it still fascinates me. I do not approve of shark feeding by tourists. It's potentially too dangerous, and may lead sharks to associate humans with food, as with bears in parks.

I posted in the sugar thread that the world record bull shark (C. leucas) was recently caught in a South African river, where it's called the Zambezi shark. This species, worldwide, may cause the most shark attacks of all species. It's known for its abilty to swim up freshwater rivers, including the Mississippi and the Amazon. It also comes and goes in Lake Nicaragua, which has a resident population of them. They are considered very dangerous.

The one caught in South Africa exceeded 13 feet, a new record.

Look at, "Jaws" and note the books that Chief Brody is reading in his attic. I've read all, and recommend them if you can find them. Later shark books are also often quite good. I have one by a Frenchman who worked with the Natal Shark Board in Durban and he has some awful photos of victiims in it.

I know that some say that white sharks and tigers, in particular, attack surfers thinking that they're seals or sea lions. The effect on the surfer is still sometimes lethal, at best disfiguring and handicapping.

My son killed a grey reef shark that attacked him while diving off of Guam. He said that it was a scary experience. I don't doubt it. He had a fish on a line with him, returning to his boat. But the shark went right for him, not the fish.

I know that some shark species have a demonstration display that indicates coming aggression. Divers had better learn it.

My favorite shark is probably the Short-Finned Mako. They are fast, graceful,and beautifully colored. Their speed and leaps when caught are legendary. This is the species in Hemingway's, "The Old Man and the Sea." Some say that they taste like swordfish, which they consume. But the meat may be toxic, as with some other species, due to methyl-mercury content.

I support reasonable sportfishing for sharks, provided that there are limits and that endangered species are protected.

It is very important to learn which species are regarded as highly dangerous and the conditions under which most attacks occur.

Sharks are very ancient, and still intriguing. The Isurid sharks seem to have a form of hot blood, or a system that gives the advantage of not being cold- blooded.

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There are more than 460 different species of sharks. And humans only know a handful of them. So this handful "has" to be dangerous. It's a wrong type of thinking...

Sharks are really careful and don't attack right away.
They can get hurt or killed, sharks don't wont to get injured or killed. If they cannot hunt, they will die.

Some attacks (I don't like this word. I prefer accidents) on humans are different nature. Every shark has a personality, just like we humans. You have really careful one and you have so called "players." The players are not as much afraid and check stuff out really fast with no fear.

Therefore they can come really close to humans. They even like to get in touch with the object to see what it is. Sharks don't have a tounge, so they have to taste it before. It's called a "test bite" and it's a really careful bite. Not like they would hunt.

It takes awhile until a shark finally decide to take a bite or attack. And there are a lot factors involved... like sight, noise, currents, smell, movements which the shark can detect (a shark feels if you swim away from him or at him)....

So sharks have a pretty good navigation system on board, but also they can fail and the shark bites the wrong object.

Check out the GSAF (Global Shark Attack File).
http://www.sharkattackfile.net/spreadsheets/GSAF5.xls

It's a list from 1845 to date. But consider - only reported "attacks" come in this file. Also just some contacts were the sharks touches the boat are reported attacks...

If you prefer watching a movie I can recommend Summer of the Sharks

My favorite is also the short-fin Mako btw. This is my Sons middle name as well
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I don't fear sharks, but I don't routinely swim in the ocean, either. A friend of mine is a shrimper, and he keeps guns on board to "dissuade" the sharks from eating his nets, they can tear them up (and release his catch in the process) pretty badly, and the monetary losses add up quickly. He said he'll fire a round or two close to the shark's head, and if it doesn't take the hint, he'll kill it. They're not real bright.

I feel the same way about sharks as I do about poisonous snakes.......in the wild they're fine, as long as they're not in my camp where the kids are playing. But I will not re-locate a poisonous snake in my camp. I will kill it. Simple.
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You go inside the cage? Cage goes in the water? You go in the water? Shark's in the water? Our shark?
Farewell and adieu to you fair Spanish ladies...
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I know that you're parodying, Jaws, but in fact, a big shark can probably bust a shark cage wide open.

But they suffice to study smaller ones, as long as they can't get between the bars. And the cage will keep an inquisitive shark from brushing against you and smell-tasting you with its sensory pits along the side that tell if you're good to eat

And a cage keeps one from biting you from behind.

I don't like people using cages to feed sharks from, though. Apart from the possibillity of losing a hand, it just doesn't seem right to accustom them to that.

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Yeah, I was being flippant.
Actually I've dove with everything from Great Whites off the Channel Islands to Hammerheads off Honduras.
The only Two species I'll get out of the water for are Tigers and Bulls.

Giant stride into shark country:
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Oh BS. That's the same as all those people who tell you that their pit bull is really a nice puppy. They take a bite out of someone because they want to. There is no accident about it.
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Maybe in Oklahoma, but not here Florida.
Yeah....he's never dove the wreck of the Dixie Arrow off Hatteras.
I have been spearfishing basically my whole life. Born in Hawaii, I dive all over and live in Ca. While certain species of shark are pressured, none are critically endangered. No shark species is going extinct, contrary to popular belief.
With this said, I do not agree with shark finning, but I DO agree with shark fishing for food. Kill them, and eat them. The whole usable shark; not just fins and jaws. The lack of respect for sharks has been the main cause of the problem; if Taiwanese fishers utilized the whole shark, the issue of shark populations would be a non-issue.

I have speared makos up to 200lb, have been stalked by a 15ft tiger in Hawaii, and have been tossed about by bulls in Hatteras while they stole my fish.

If you catch a shark, and are wondering how to utilize it so you will enjoy the meat, follow this simple protocol:
Immediately kill shark, and gut it. Soak the shark carcass overboard, let it flush out. Keep it in a fish box with water, do not let the shark sit in the sun. As soon as practical, steak out the shark. REMOVE THE SKIN FROM THE STEAKS. Soak all steaks in a large pail of salt water with no skin on for 2 hrs, chilled. A 5 gal bucket, 1/2 cup of salt, and a couple pounds of ice, then fill with steaks and water.
Bag up the steaks, and freeze them, and have a BBQ.
Sharks urinate thru their skin. The meat often will have an ammonia flavor if the steaks are not brined a bit. This is why many people are turned away from shark fillets. Mako, thresher do not have this problem, they can be steaked up and eaten straight on.

If you respect the game you take, it will be around forever. Never let anyone tell you different.
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Here's a quick update. I know that we are also having a lot of car guys here on board. So I think it might be interesting for some...

I'm planning on building a shark themed car which is supposed to be a homebuilt project. The project will bring shark conservationists and car enthusiasts together; by travelling the country and attending a mix of shark & car events.

Kaucher Kustoms is in the progress of creating a redering.

I have a prototype on file but want to wait until I got the final picture.

Name Giver and source of inspiration: The Mako Shark



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My BS is actually in Marine Bio and I end up working in the desert==go figure! Actually, discovered I'm diabetic and they wouldn't certify me for diving, so I switched my area of study. One of my grad committee-his wife had a PhD in marine mammals. Another one was a marine paleontologist. Grew up in SoCal and fishing in saltwater in US and Mexico since I was 3. While an undergrad, I listened to Dr Nelson of Cal State Long Beach present his pioneer research on agonistic behavior in sharks to the Biology Student's Association. It was only his second presentation. Spurred my interest in animal behavior.

But, I digress. As a professional biologist, I applaud your efforts. Anything I can do, let me know.
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Here's a quick update. I know that we are also having a lot of car guys here on board. So I think it might be interesting for some...

I'm planning on building a shark themed car which is supposed to be a homebuilt project. The project will bring shark conservationists and car enthusiasts together; by travelling the country and attending a mix of shark & car events.

Kaucher Kustoms is in the progress of creating a redering.

I have a prototype on file but want to wait until I got the final picture.

Name Giver and source of inspiration: The Mako Shark



I have the written agreement on using this particular picture.
did Chevrolet do that with the Corvette??
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Maybe in Oklahoma, but not here Florida.
We gots lots of sharks in Oklahoma. I've picked many a shark tooth... fossilized, that is!

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Yes they did, here is a link to some info. A Google search will turn up a great deal more information and photos. http://corvettes.about.com/od/histor...hark-Corvette/
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Yes, they did.

1961 Mako Shark I (XP-755), 1965 Mako Shark II as well as the 1969 Manta Ray!

They are awesome cars, you can google them and I can look at them all day long

I also want to call the project (2nd Gen Camaro) MAKO1 but not sure yet on how to put the "MAKO" and the "1" together. It is also meant to be a little - personal - Tribute but I don't copy.

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Thank you. I appreciate that.

It's kinda sad with your diving certificate. I still haven't signed up for the diving class, but I will do this summer.

Look for shark diver magazine and give Eli Martinez a call. They do awesome trips and this is the way I want to go after being certified. They might also have some space for non divers on their boat

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I hope you're right.

I kind of like sharks, too. They certainly are impressive. (I would say awesome, but I have embargoed that word.) They always make me a bit uncomfortable when they are around, but eels and rays can do that, too. The ocean can be a scary place for a scuba diver that doesn't spend a lot of time in it!

I wish I had more to add about sharks but I just have never had the opportunity to spend much time around them. One thing we do know is that certainly a lot of hysteria and hyperbole attaches to them - way beyond what is necessary. I always think it kind of silly. Really, just another critter doing "God's work."
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I used to run away from sharks but now with the Stand your water law, I don't have to.
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I have been fishing the Gulf of Mexico for over 30 years and have caught many sharks while fishing for tarpon, snook, redfish, grouper, etc. The largest was a 8 ft. 6 in. Bull shark with a 55 inch girth that was estimated 360 lbs., I was happy to release it unharmed.
Sharks are a lot of fun to catch and release using light weight fishing tackle. Rarely will I kill a shark, only if I plan to eat it; Blacktip sharks under 3 ft. in length are targeted for table fare. It's important to handle the meat properly so that it tastes good when you cook it.
The only time I don't like sharks is while reeling in a nice snook or tarpon, a shark comes along and takes a very large bite out of it before I can land it.
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I'm glad to see this topic active again. About 2-3 weeks ago, a White killed a surfer off of Cape Town. No idea why some idiot who must have known that the area is "sharky" and even known for Whites leaping out of the sea to catch seals would surf there. I don't think the beaches are even netted, as they are around the country, like at Durban.

This is in addition to the 3 or 4 White attacks off of Western Australia in the past couple of months.

Someone might want to consider which weapons can be used to avoid shark attacks being sucessful, if you see the shark in time.

I did some research on that, for an article that appeared in a knife title. Knives were used in some recorded instances, and spears. Bang sticks seem the best idea, but I'm not sure if they're still legal. Even knives are restricted in some tourist areas! I'd never dive where I couldn't carry a respectable knife! It's too likely to be needed for things besides sharks, moray eels, octupi, etc. Just getting tangled in kelp or discarded fishing line is a menace, and I suppose there are criminals who'd attack a defenseless diver, too.

I've owned a Randall Model 16, a fine dive knife, which I deeply regret having had to sell in a financial crisis. And I have a SOG SEAL 2000 and a Muela Tornado, which is similar. The Fallkniven A-1 in a Kydex or Zytel sheath also appeals, and can be had with a black blade, to avoid reflections. My son has one now, but stabbed a reef shark to death with a Katz dive knife.

They have tough hides, and if you can use their own momentum to stab them in the tummy and let it unzip them, that can work. I found a case where it did. Otherwise, learn where the Y-shaped brain lies, and go for the gills, I guess. Obviously, the really big ones aren't likely to succumb to a knife, but most attacks are by smaller sharks. A former Navy diver told me that he fears them more, as they are so numerous and so agile and often, more inclined to stalk humans.

W.D. Randall told me that he had a customer for a new Model 16. He wanted a stretchable wrist thong, as he lost his last knife (leather thong) when he stuck it in a shark that towed him off by the thong! He barely escaped.

The older Puma dive knives like those seen on, "Sea Hunt" are now collectible, but Puma has a newer model. The short-lived Buck Nemo is also too collectible to use.

I think a shark "billy" stick with a nail on the end is a good idea, too. It can turn a charge, and hitting a shark on the nose may discourage it. I've seen photos of those mail armor suits, but bet they require a lot of maintenance in salt water! And if a shark bites an arm in one, it may crush the bones through pressure alone. Their bites are terribly strong.

Sharks do interest me for more than their attack potential, and I have some books about them. Some even think their physiology may provide a cure for some cancers.

And they have inspired some aircraft designs, esp. for WW II fighters. Look carefully at the nose and engine on a Spitfire. Very shark-like. I was surprised to see how flat both are on top.

Sharks are very ancient and really quite intriguing. I like discussing them.

When, "Jaws" became a movie, a disk jockey here ridiculed it. Said that no one in Dallas would care, as sharks don't come up the Trinity River. Of course, it was a massive success, here as well as in coastal cities. The book was quite a bit better, and I feel the film was miscast in some roles, although it worked. If you haven't read the book, do. It had additional complications, inc. an affair between the icthyologist and the chief's wife. I think both looked quite a bit different than the actors who played them, BTW. And there were also more plot twists and more data on sharks.

I also enjoyed the underwater scenes in the James Bond books, esp., "Live and Let Die." That, again, was a far better book than a movie, which had too much PC stuff in it, including the casting.

I have a few shark films from National Geographic and similar sources. One was even narrated by Peter Benchley, who did a fine job. I love seeing the sharks swim and turn and show their infinite grace in the sea. They are remarkable creatures. But don't take chances with them: I even found a couple of cases where wobbegongs got hold of someone's foot and messed it up really bad!
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This is pretty close to what I had in mind. Thanks to Keith Kaucher (Kaucher Kustoms) for transferring my idea to paper.

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Because it is supposed to be a homebuilt project I will not be able to build it exactly how I wanted. But it still will bring a lot of fun.

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JJEH, when I think of sharks and cars, I think of Squalos and Super squalos. Maybe I have a few years on you?
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Possible that you are older than me

Are you talking about the Squalos EV concept?
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Jorge, no - the old Grand Prix cars: Ferrari's Squalo and Supersqualo. Phil Hill could tell you about them.
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Yeah, didn't thought about them. These are awesome.

Guess you are older
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Having grown up in Cocoa Beach and having surfed my entire life and been diving since I was 12, I have seen plenty of sharks. I do not believe in needlessly killing them or finning them -- but I am also not touch-feely about them. I have had close encounters with black-tips and bulls while surfing (bumped once, not bitten -- kind of like "stirred, not shaken") and that was an unpleasant experience.
Seen lots of sharks diving -- Texas Star is dead-center that sharks may display a "threat posture" and as a diver, you need to know how to interpret that. I have read plenty of books about sharks, researched
their biological classifications (interesting that one of the dangerous families are known as Requiem sharks) and kept up with attacks around the world -- the kid who just died in South Africa was actually a champion body-boarder, not a surfer -- important because the board is very small (torso sized) so a body-boarder does look more like a seal than a surfer on a normal surfboard. I agree that body-boarding in an aea where great whites are known to congregate and eat seals (and it was well known that chumming in the area was done to attract sharks for folks to video) would not be a very good idea. Texas Star is also dead-center re bull sharks, probably one of the world's most adaptable sharks re habitat and a very dangerous and aggressive shark -- they can handle brackish and fresh-water -- in fact the Ganges River shark is actually a bull shark species and they tear up a lot of folks in India.
We have lots of bulls in the Gulf of Mexico -- I have done many flyovers and been amazed at the #'s of sharks one sees in shallow Gulf waters. We have bulls in Lake Ponchartrain, next to New Orleans, we have them in Lake Charles (fresh to brackish water) 20 miles upriver from the Gulf, we have them in Calcasieu Lake (where we have a summer home) just south of Lake Charles -- and get this, you will find alligators and bull sharks in Calcasieu Lake thru the spring and summer. While on a diving trip in the Gulf, diving next to an oil rig (the rig structure attracts fish), was trying to spear red snapper or cobia -- had no fish on and a big tropical hammerhead (and I promise you, hammerheads can be very aggressive) about 10-12 ft long, began circling and displaying a "threat posture" -- short rushes then turn away -- after a couple of sequences, I put my back to a rig support leg and surfaced and had the guys on the boat move closer to me so I could board -- I had a custom spear gun but was not carrying a bang stick or shark billy -- I do carry a dive knife but most days would rather not test whether the techniques I learned in Thailand would work on
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One thing that REALLY makes my blood boil is how some, ah, cultures, find it perfectly acceptable to catch a shark, cut it's fins off, then throw it back in to the water where it drowns. The fins get used in soup. But of course these are the same sub-societies that think rhino horn is an aphrodisiac, or that bear gall bladder prolongs life. Etc. They are responsible for an incredible amount of poaching that goes on all across the world, every year.

When I was young I spent a lot of time in the summers along the coast of Maine. This was back before Jaws, when one of the first things ever done about sharks (and White sharks in particular) was a movie called Blue Water, White Death. Ron and Valerie Taylor and other early shark researchers put the documentary together. Anyway back then nobody was scared of sharks, and we often enough found ourselves in the middle of schools of 3-4 foot sand sharks when we swam off the boat, or waded across the estuary of a tidal river. Now the interesting thing about sand sharks is that going by DNA, the very same species of shark is responsible for most of the shallow water bite and release attacks that occur elsewhere in the world. The difference? The temperature of the water is all they can come up with.
Sailing, or fishing from boats, we would sometimes see other, larger sharks chasing seals, just a glimpse or 2 of a fin and a tail swishing through the water. I suspect I've seen white sharks once or twice off the coast of Maine, chasing seals, as they have been there doing so forever, they just don't get the attention they do elsewhere.
Peter Benchley later said he regretted everything about Jaws, because it turned so many of us in to shark killers. That was not his intention at all.
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Maybe I have a few years on you too; when I think of
Squalus I think of submarine. I was about 6 when she sank. It was just before WW II.
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One thing that REALLY makes my blood boil is how some, ah, cultures, find it perfectly acceptable to catch a shark, cut it's fins off, then throw it back in to the water where it drowns. The fins get used in soup. But of course these are the same sub-societies that think rhino horn is an aphrodisiac, or that bear gall bladder prolongs life. Etc. They are responsible for an incredible amount of poaching that goes on all across the world, every year.

When I was young I spent a lot of time in the summers along the coast of Maine. This was back before Jaws, when one of the first things ever done about sharks (and White sharks in particular) was a movie called Blue Water, White Death. Ron and Valerie Taylor and other early shark researchers put the documentary together. Anyway back then nobody was scared of sharks, and we often enough found ourselves in the middle of schools of 3-4 foot sand sharks when we swam off the boat, or waded across the estuary of a tidal river. Now the interesting thing about sand sharks is that going by DNA, the very same species of shark is responsible for most of the shallow water bite and release attacks that occur elsewhere in the world. The difference? The temperature of the water is all they can come up with.
Sailing, or fishing from boats, we would sometimes see other, larger sharks chasing seals, just a glimpse or 2 of a fin and a tail swishing through the water. I suspect I've seen white sharks once or twice off the coast of Maine, chasing seals, as they have been there doing so forever, they just don't get the attention they do elsewhere.
Peter Benchley later said he regretted everything about Jaws, because it turned so many of us in to shark killers. That was not his intention at all.

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One thing that REALLY makes my blood boil is how some, ah, cultures, find it perfectly acceptable to catch a shark, cut it's fins off, then throw it back in to the water where it drowns. The fins get used in soup. But of course these are the same sub-societies that think rhino horn is an aphrodisiac, or that bear gall bladder prolongs life. Etc. They are responsible for an incredible amount of poaching that goes on all across the world, every year.

When I was young I spent a lot of time in the summers along the coast of Maine. This was back before Jaws, when one of the first things ever done about sharks (and White sharks in particular) was a movie called Blue Water, White Death. Ron and Valerie Taylor and other early shark researchers put the documentary together. Anyway back then nobody was scared of sharks, and we often enough found ourselves in the middle of schools of 3-4 foot sand sharks when we swam off the boat, or waded across the estuary of a tidal river. Now the interesting thing about sand sharks is that going by DNA, the very same species of shark is responsible for most of the shallow water bite and release attacks that occur elsewhere in the world. The difference? The temperature of the water is all they can come up with.
Sailing, or fishing from boats, we would sometimes see other, larger sharks chasing seals, just a glimpse or 2 of a fin and a tail swishing through the water. I suspect I've seen white sharks once or twice off the coast of Maine, chasing seals, as they have been there doing so forever, they just don't get the attention they do elsewhere.
Peter Benchley later said he regretted everything about Jaws, because it turned so many of us in to shark killers. That was not his intention at all.

There are sand sharks and one called the sand tiger here. (Eugomphodus taurus, that is called the Ragged Tooth in South Africa and the Grey Nurse in Australia. It's really evil looking. It has attacked quite a number of people. Is this the one you mean?
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You made the broad statement that sharks are endangered and almost extinct. I don't subscibe to that theory. What basis was this made on?
Did you mean to say some species ? Also being from Oklahoma how
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Shouldn't you make the "gill slits" on the car smaller and add a fifth one?

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One thing that REALLY makes my blood boil is how some, ah, cultures, find it perfectly acceptable to catch a shark, cut it's fins off, then throw it back in to the water where it drowns. The fins get used in soup. But of course these are the same sub-societies that think rhino horn is an aphrodisiac, or that bear gall bladder prolongs life. Etc. They are responsible for an incredible amount of poaching that goes on all across the world, every year.

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...was a movie called Blue Water, White Death. Ron and Valerie Taylor and other early shark researchers put the documentary together.
You are right. Finning is the main problem.

And I'm very impressed that you mentioned Blue Water, White Death. It's a great documentary.

The movie Jaws or rather the reaction of the people was the reason for Mr. Benchley to become such a conservationist.


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You made the broad statement that sharks are endangered and almost extinct. I don't subscibe to that theory. What basis was this made on?
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This is based on research done by sharkproject.org and their partners. They take the approx. number of chatches every year and compare it to the time that sharks take to reproduce. Some shark species take 20 years or more to even be mature enough to reproduce. Therefore humans catch sharks faster than they can reproduce.

I'm nor from Oklahoma, I just live here for a while. I'm from Germany and I blame some books which made me wanna know more about sharks. Later, when we had more than 3 channels on TV I was observing the schedule for shark documentaries and so on...

They are interesting creatures and can do impressive things. Just like a lot of other animals. But that's not the point, that's just my personal field of interest.

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Yes, I probably will go with 5 slits. Have to check when I work in person on the fender... because I also want to have it functional... the rendering is just an idea of the project, but it's really close.
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