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Old 02-11-2012, 12:06 PM
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Don't get me wrong-I think our guys deserve the best-but $125 for a pair of BDU's ????????

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I agree with Caj... let's support our troops with the best gear we can send them... but HOW MUCH for those pants? Wow! Makes me wonder if that was the LOW bid???
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The "standard" pants are $86.00? ***!!!
I guess war is really about profit for the Robber Barons.
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It's not a "pair" anymore--the Army's using that effete New York designer term "pant."
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No wonder a .gov contract is the holy grail of business...

Kinda wonder what the cost of an M4 with all the accessories goes for.
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OMG!! Are they bulletproof ?
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I don't think the price is bad at all. How much to folks pay for a pair of "Designer" jeans"?

What I am afraid of is the cost of the training and 100 page manual that will go with it.

At least the contract went to severely handicapped individuals.
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You all are overlooking what these pants will provide. As someone who has been there, I can tell you that the normal trousers don't hold up well to daily use in an urban or rural environment. These guys spend a lot of time going to a knee and shuffling around in rough terrain. I have seen a brand new pair of trousers worn out in one day from the abuse they take. A new pair of trousers costs around $45 the last time I looked. If they last a week under normal daily wear in country, that's good. But these new trousers look like they might outlast the current stuff. If they do, then the cost savings will be better than what is currently issued.

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If they wear like mtb1kr says, they are a bargain. Hate to see our guys being all raggedy over there, it just ain't professional.
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You all are overlooking what these pants will provide. As someone who has been there, I can tell you that the normal trousers don't hold up well to daily use in an urban or rural environment. These guys spend a lot of time going to a knee and shuffling around in rough terrain. I have seen a brand new pair of trousers worn out in one day from the abuse they take. A new pair of trousers costs around $45 the last time I looked. If they last a week under normal daily wear in country, that's good. But these new trousers look like they might outlast the current stuff. If they do, then the cost savings will be better than what is currently issued.

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It's not a "pair" anymore--the Army's using that effete New York designer term "pant."
'Trousers' is still a word.

I'd like to try those slip-in knee pads at work - I spend way too much time crawling on a concrete floor.
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As an Army Colonel once said to me, "Women wear pants. Men wear trousers."
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As an Army Colonel once said to me, "Women wear pants. Men wear trousers."
Or, as I keep reminding the women I work with, "Women wear 'outfits,' men wear clothes."
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Hey no fair bringing FACTS into the discussion The people who have NEVER put on a uniform don't think we are worth it.
You are worth it-I just made the comment that I thougt $125 was high. This post is not intended to do anything other than question the inherent waste in the procurement system.
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Well if you think $125 is too high for clothing for the people defending our Country you could say $1000 is WAY too high for a vest and trauma plates. Sure it keeps our troops alive but not everyone gets shot in the chest. What do you think? Get rid of 50% of the vests? True the VAST majority of enlisted have to resort to Food Stamps to feed their family's but lets cut their pay back a bit more also. Save you some more money.

How about the 92% survival rate for the wounded? We can save a few bucks by getting rid of some Medievac choppers. Maybe drop it to 90%? That would also save you some money.

Why don't you come to the VFW, American Legion, or the VA Hospital with me and you can preach how we are wasting money trying to give those, defending our Country, practical clothing that will last.

It's ALWAYS those who have NEVER worn a uniform that are experts telling us what we REALLY need and what we don't.

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Well, I also think that $125 for a pair of pants is BS. Need knee pads? Strap on a pair, they don't need to be sewn on. In fact if you think about it for just a few seconds you'll realize how stupid that idea is.

Anybody who thinks $125 for a pair of pants is BS doesen't have the right to say so if they've never been in the military?....Or worse yet, never done a combat tour?

I wern't no hero. But, I been there, done that, and got a couple "T" shirts. And $125 for a pair of pants is BS. They should be spending that money on MORE body armor, medivac choppers, and pay, not BS BDU (ACU, ATU, or whatever the current term is) pants!

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Well, I also think that $125 for a pair of pants is BS. Need knee pads? Strap on a pair, they don't need to be sewn on. In fact if you think about it for just a few seconds you'll realize how stupid that idea is.

Anybody who thinks $125 for a pair of pants is BS doesen't have the right to say so if they've never been in the military?....Or worse yet, never done a combat tour?

I wern't no hero. But, I been there, done that, and got a couple "T" shirts. And $125 for a pair of pants is BS. They should be spending that money on MORE body armor, medivac choppers, and pay, not BS BDU (ACU, ATU, or whatever the current term is) pants!

Don't know what your "T" shirts say but mine say GRUNT! As such protecting your knees is a very important thing. Try crawling around , getting shot at, shooting back, and trying to adjust pads that MOVE, all at the same time.
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Well if you think $125 is too high for clothing for the people defending our Country you could say $1000 is WAY too high for a vest and trauma plates. Sure it keeps our troops alive but not everyone gets shot in the chest. What do you think? Get rid of 50% of the vests? True the VAST majority of enlisted have to resort to Food Stamps to feed their family's but lets cut their pay back a bit more also. Save you some more money.

How about the 92% survival rate for the wounded? We can save a few bucks by getting rid of some Medievac choppers. Maybe drop it to 90%? That would also save you some money.

Why don't you come to the VFW, American Legion, or the VA Hospital with me and you can preach how we are wasting money trying to give those, defending our Country, practical clothing that will last.

It's ALWAYS those who have NEVER worn a uniform that are experts telling us what we REALLY need and what we don't.
Well, if they can be made for $85 then yea $125 is too high. And if a $1000 vest & trauma plate can be had for $500 without sacrificing quality-then yea that's too high too. Go back and read my post again CAREFULLY. Fiscal responsibility has nothing to do with providing the best gear. Uness you are the one making the pants and selling them to the military. Part of the problem the country is in the state we're in is this blank check mentality-Think with your head and not your heart man.
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Well, if they can be made for $85 then yea $125 is too high. And if a $1000 vest & trauma plate can be had for $500 without sacrificing quality-then yea that's too high too. Go back and read my post again CAREFULLY. Fiscal responsibility has nothing to do with providing the best gear. Uness you are the one making the pants and selling them to the military. Part of the problem the country is in the state we're in is this blank check mentality-Think with your head and not your heart man.


I am thinking as a 100% disabled Vet who only wants the bare minimum to get the job done.
You are thinking like someone who didn't have the guts to wear a uniform but can tell us who did what we need to do the job.

The best part is you are upset about people who need specialized clothing costing a few bucks more but how many BILLIONS of MY taxes have been sent to Louisiana to people who are going to rebuild BELOW a levy for what the second, third, or fourth time? THAT sport is wasted taxpayer money. Look in YOUR own backyard before you attempt to comment on a subject you are clueless about.

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Hey folks, let's calm down a bit.

I do believe that Caj feels that our troops deserve the best gear available.

BUT, the prices charged are too high for what is being delivered.
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Plus one on that, Muley.

I have what I thought were high end work pants, cargo pants from Duluth Trading. "Firehose" the material is called. Has pockets built in for knee pads. Best, toughest and most comfortable I have ever worn. $60.

If there are better quality work pants out there, that cost more money, I would be happy, as a taxpayer, to pay for our soldiers to have it. But I would want to check the quality before I paid more.

Which I think is Caj's point.
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I am thinking as a 100% disabled Vet who only wants the bare minimum to get the job done.
You are thinking like someone who didn't have the guts to wear a uniform but can tell us who did what we need to do the job.

The best part is you are upset about people who need specialized clothing costing a few bucks more but how many BILLIONS of MY taxes have been sent to Louisiana to people who are going to rebuild BELOW a levy for what the second, third, or fourth time? THAT sport is wasted taxpayer money. Look in YOUR own backyard before you attempt to comment on a subject you are clueless about.

I am finished here.
It's spelled "Levee". "Levy" is what the government does to get taxes to pay for $125 pantses and to fix the levees so we can live below sea level.
You win-you can have the pantses.
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I too have been there and done that, in the air AND on the ground. I'm all for the the best equipment, but I've wore 3 different utility uniforms, not including a flight suit, during my 28 year career. And each time we changed styles, it cost more to buy the new uniform. Yes, once you are out of basic training, you must buy your own uniforms. Enlisted trrops get a uniform allowance, but it's not enough to buy new uniforms, so it takes money out of their pocket. Officers don't get an allowance, they just have to buy them.
When you're in a combat area, you can get a new uniform at no cost if you need it, but it makes a lot of administrative headache for your commander and First Sergeant, but that's what they get paid to do.
Don't even get me started on the dress and service uniforms.
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It's spelled "Levee". "Levy" is what the government does to get taxes to pay for $125 pantses and to fix the levees so we can live below sea level.
You win-you can have the pantses.
Well, now this is getting confusing. I thought Levy Pants was the garment manufacturer in A Confederancy of Dunces, and "levees" is badly misspelled sleeve.
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$125 isn't bad really. Price out what a set of nice (and genuine) Crye multicam runs from one of the many specialty retailers (Triple Aught Design, etc), or what the newer shirts designed specifically to be worn under armor cost.

The issue Goretex jackets and pants are also quite expensive.

I suspect that anything that sees general issue won't be made to the same standards as boutique gear, but in general the improvements seen in military uniforms over the last decade stemmed from input from the troops themselves (like that handy pocket in Army patrol caps), at least for the Army and Marines.
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When i see kids wearing 150 dollar and up tennis shoes,
is it really too much to ask for our troops to have a pair of 125 dollar
trousers? I remember how dad hit the roof first time i told him i "had"
to have a pair of Puma tennis shoes for gym class back in 75' that
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We got issued the "improved" trousers this time, but me and my guys still go through them faster then you would imagine. Honestly if these work as advertised it will be entirely worth it and in the long run save tax payer money....

just my .02 cents.
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These are for soldiers?

I ordered my wife a pair for Valentines day. I figured they would hold up a lot better than PajamaGrams.
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