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Old 04-13-2012, 08:28 PM
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Back when naturally asperated (carburetors for you kids) motors ruled, the biggest Holly you could get was the "nuts".

Had a 66 GTO pervertable with the Holly instead of the 3 deuces. 355 posi rear, Hurst close ratio 4spd.

When we would "run what ya brung" It was common to take off the air filter.

Thats a sound you never forget, that Holly howling to gulp air....

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Yours look anything like this? It's a '67 I know but close.
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Nothing sounds like an 850 double pumper wide open.............makes ya thing it'll suck the hood clean through the tailpipe!
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Haven't seen nor worked on a Holley for a long time. Good memories though.
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DGT, Mine was sapphire Blue with a white rag and int. Close. Never could get the smell out of that backseat!!!
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nothin' like a pontiac with a carb big enough to turn the air filter inside out...

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Remember Quadrajets?
Got a "new" Edelbrock Quadrajet on the '76 350 Stingray.

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Natural Aspiration of not has nothing to do with carburetors and fuel injection.
a NA engine is one that doesn't have a turbo or super charger on it.

ps. a Carburetor is just something that somewhat controls leaking gasoline
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The holleys I remember leaked like an open faucet.
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Natural Aspiration of not has nothing to do with carburetors and fuel injection.
a NA engine is one that doesn't have a turbo or super charger on it.

ps. a Carburetor is just something that somewhat controls leaking gasoline
I was hoping this post would just bring a tear to us old rockers.
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Got a "new" Edelbrock Quadrajet on the '76 350 Stingray.
They're great. What an improvement from the old ones.
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AH, Holley carbs !
Yeah, the 850 double pumper, what a rush.
Every car I owned ran a Holley, either one large single or a tunnel ram with a twin setup.
Was also a great setup as twins on the 671 Blower.
Still have a large box full of Holley parts when I used to rebuild them.
Also remember the good later 1050 Holley CFM Dominator Race Carburetor as well as the 1150 Holley CFM Ultra Dominator Race Carburetor. Better known as "The Beer Can Carbs" !



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If memory serves [and that is sometimes a leap of faith] I ran the 750 Holly on my Rally Red 65 327/350hp Corvette Convertible. I also recall that it came stock with no seat belts. That required a check to JC Whitney.

Nothing quite like a car designed by Darwin.
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Holley carbs bring back good old memories. Also remember the sound
of the "glass-packs" mufflers. Nowadays the kids drive these little
foreign jobs with tires that have less rubber on them than my old bike.
And the sounds they want to hear from their "street machines" are the
tires screeching from "drifting". Most of these guys spend more in tires in a year than my cars cost me to build to my liking.
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The holleys I remember leaked like an open faucet.
yup .. leaked right down the manifold plenum where it did the most good
God I miss the sound of that old 4150 ringing
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Also besides the mentioned Quadrajet carbs, but also remember Carter Carbs.
And the mentioned "Glass-Pack" mufflers, but also the "Cherry Bomb" mufflers.



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They're great. What an improvement from the old ones.
Yep, I called the factory Quad on my '80 vette "stumble bumble" , replaced it with an Edelbrock. Night and day.
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Yep, I called the factory Quad on my '80 vette "stumble bumble" , replaced it with an Edelbrock. Night and day.
Soooo, You'll remember the term "Quadra-Junk"? Pain to rebuild for sure.
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rimfired, I love that sapphire blue color but had to go back with original color. 1967 was the year the Goats went to a 400 ci engine from the 389 and dropped the 3 deuce option. Bet yours was a beauty!
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I used to have a 1971 Crysler New Yorker. Can't begin to tell how many motor mounts I had to replace on that sucker. That engine jumped when you punched it Maroon two door with black vinyl top. Had a back seat bigger than most twin beds Spent many a night back there.
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Once upon a time, I had a 1957 Ford Fairlane with the ThunderBird 312 engine.

It was not a V8, It was a Y8.

It had a big Holley Carb.

It would pass anything BUT a gas station.

Many times I would take the aircleaner off, and put on a large "funnel".

When you tromped on the gas, it would suck the hood down a couple of inches and deafen any body with in 50 yards...
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I used to have a 1971 Crysler New Yorker. Can't begin to tell how many motor mounts I had to replace on that sucker. That engine jumped when you punched it Maroon two door with black vinyl top. Had a back seat bigger than most twin beds Spent many a night back there.
Camero had that same problem with the Z 28's, broken motor mounts.

Apparently they solved it with a chain. My buddy had A Z 28 and their was a chain attched from the motor, to the frame, to keep the motor from torqueing bad enough to break the motor mounts.
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The old Chrysler 340's would torque like that. I replaced more than one motor mount on my 'Cuda.
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Camero had that same problem with the Z 28's, broken motor mounts.

Apparently they solved it with a chain. My buddy had A Z 28 and their was a chain attched from the motor, to the frame, to keep the motor from torqueing bad enough to break the motor mounts.
we used to weld a peice of plate steel in the motor mounts to keep them together....
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Ihave rebuilt many a Quadra-junk...many Motorcraft by Holly carbs and then replaced them with Carter/Edlebrock carbs. Kids now days don't even know what a carb is, let alone know how to rebuild it or jet it! I can do that and tune fuel injection too! I am a transitional dinosaur!!
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I had a new yorker 440, think it was a 72. The motor mounts broke as I turned off the freeway on a off ramp. The car wanted to pick up speed as I was standing on the break! It was a exciteing few secounds. Couldnt down shift either. Cant say how I got stopped for sure, guess I turned the key off. Here is a 76 trans am I had.

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Before the double pumpers came out, they made the 950 and 1050CFM 3 barrels. Instead of 2 rear barrels, you had one big long one. I don't think it worked all that good, but man did it look mean.
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Those who complain about Quadrajets are those who didn't know what to do with them. If you knew the tuning points and how to dial one in it was one of the most flexible carbs you could put on an engine. Back in the mid 70's to early 80's lean sags off the line were common and the fix was incredibly simple, you just raised the primary metering rods a touch by turning the APT screw.

What I loved and still love about the Q Jet is what happens when the air door on those giant secondaries open up, because NOTHING moaned like a Q Jet at WOT.

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We're watching the Mecum auction out of Texas right now. The prices they are getting for cars like I used to own are killing me......
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I just recently disposed of my '57 two door sedan. Ran a 425hp 302 I picked up as a parts engine from a wrecked Camaro. Besides some head work the top end was a 750 spread bore Holley with mechanical secondary's and an Edelbrock low profile manifold. 3.73 rear and a Muncie four speed. The car actually got decent gas mileage if you didn't hit those secondaries. But what the heck is the fun in that. When I raced it I took the air cleaner off and I'll tell you that when those secondaries kicked in it was the most amazing sound I have ever heard. Plus the car acted like it got kicked in the rear by Godzilla. The car always ran honest low elevens and I only lunched the tranny once. I do miss the car but got offered way to much money not to sell it.
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Oh man... l knew l was keepin good company here on the forum with all these like minded Smith fans... and now we get to include the cars of our youth? Is this heaven on earth? My dream car is now on my bucket list!
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Today I filled up my silverado. $85.19. I paid less than that for my first three or four cars!
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I just recently disposed of my '57 two door sedan. Ran a 425hp 302 I picked up as a parts engine from a wrecked Camaro. Besides some head work the top end was a 750 spread bore Holley with mechanical secondary's and an Edelbrock low profile manifold. 3.73 rear and a Muncie four speed. The car actually got decent gas mileage if you didn't hit those secondaries. But what the heck is the fun in that. When I raced it I took the air cleaner off and I'll tell you that when those secondaries kicked in it was the most amazing sound I have ever heard. Plus the car acted like it got kicked in the rear by Godzilla. The car always ran honest low elevens and I only lunched the tranny once. I do miss the car but got offered way to much money not to sell it.
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It was pretty amazing how much power could be worked out of one of those Chev 302's. They could run pretty high revs, too! I had a 350 horse 350 in my '69 Vette, and if I kept my foot out of it I'd get 20ish mpg. Did a complete rebuild, 2.02 heads with a 5 stone grind, 750 Holley and an Edelbrock manifold. Can't remember the cam I put in it, but it was fairly lopey.....got so I could pull and replace the tranny on it in about 15 minutes (I had "issues" with the throw-out bearing). That was the one I had when my honey and I met. Got married and sold it so I could get a van and haul the family. Shoulda kept the Vette and left the kids at home.......
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It takes me 15 minuets to just get down on the garage floor now! Much longer to get up! I dont know what gear ratio I had in my 76 trans am, but I swear the faster I drove the better mileage I got!
What I didnt like about it was haveing to sit down on the curb to get in and out of it. Also it would shake your fillings out at lower speeds and level out at higher speeds.
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After my first marriage ended, money was nonexistent. My buddy Breen finds me a 63 Bonneville Wagon, 389, Carter AFB, white/maroon interior, from a rancher in Wallowa, Ore. I paid $450 and drove it home. Boy I was proud of my wagon. I tried to be a bad boy, car was just too heavy. However, 135 mph was done on a stretch of Central Oregon highway, and this was before I had the front end rebuilt. Kinda goosey. I found a set of eight lugs, front seat reupholstered in NOS fabric, new radials, car was a monster.

In the early sixties, you could order from Pontiac a Catalina wagon with factory four speed, 421 w/ dual quads. Old family men would go to the drags on Saturday night, put larger ports?? in the carbs, and drag the family wagon.

In 1961, I believe you could also order from the factory a Catalina 2 door with aluminum front clip, super duty motor, and just about have a Nascar contender. Crazy
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I had a 61 dynamic 88 olds coupe. That was a nice car. I have to find a picture of it.
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Back in the mid 90s, I had this 74 Formula 400 Firebird. It was a fun car. Tried to keep it stock except for free flow exhaust, HEI, th400 w/shift kit, 3.42 rear. Drove 50 miles to track, drop tire psi a bit, bump timing a few deg. With traction, ran mid 13s on stock rubber. Pretty decent and still got pretty good gas mileage with the 4bbl. q-jet. Had a lot of good memories with that car. Times and priorities have changed over the years, and while I miss those days, I don't regret selling it. Typically firearms take up less space, and hold their value just fine.
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After my first marriage ended, money was nonexistent. My buddy Breen finds me a 63 Bonneville Wagon, 389, Carter AFB, white/maroon interior, from a rancher in Wallowa, Ore. I paid $450 and drove it home. Boy I was proud of my wagon. I tried to be a bad boy, car was just too heavy. However, 135 mph was done on a stretch of Central Oregon highway, and this was before I had the front end rebuilt. Kinda goosey. I found a set of eight lugs, front seat reupholstered in NOS fabric, new radials, car was a monster.

In the early sixties, you could order from Pontiac a Catalina wagon with factory four speed, 421 w/ dual quads. Old family men would go to the drags on Saturday night, put larger ports?? in the carbs, and drag the family wagon.

In 1961, I believe you could also order from the factory a Catalina 2 door with aluminum front clip, super duty motor, and just about have a Nascar contender. Crazy
Actually, that 421 HO was a Tri Power, not a dual Quad. Back when I was in high school I worked as a pump jockey and was rather stunned when I opened the hood on one of those wagons to check the oil. Asked the owner what kind of mileage that wagon got and the answer was dependent on who was driving, his wife got 12 mpg with it but he could only manage 8 mpg.

Now something to think about. Today a new Corvette Z06 comes with a 427 cui engine that produces 505 HP at the rear wheels and yields a rated 24 mpg on the highway. As much as I hate to admit it I suspect that there may be some advantages to this new fangled fuel injection. Too bad the exhaust note on the Z06 sounds a lot like a 4 cylinder Pinto.
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Fuel injection is fuel economy + performance, no doubt.

Just a jump back it time. Horsepower Heaven, terrible suspensions/tires and lousy brakes. We could go real fast, real quick. Stopping was another matter.
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Actually the ZO6 gets about 440 HP at the rear wheels, but no matter, it's more than anyone needs. Don't know much about ZO6 exhaust, but my GrandSport NPP exhaust is awesome. And I'm getting 30+ highway, and 22 average. Rated 436HP but about 370 at the rear wheels.
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Actually the ZO6 gets about 440 HP at the rear wheels, but no matter, it's more than anyone needs. Don't know much about ZO6 exhaust, but my GrandSport NPP exhaust is awesome. And I'm getting 30+ highway, and 22 average. Rated 436HP but about 370 at the rear wheels.
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says you!!!!
That's why they make the 638 HP ZR1 for guys like you.
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That's why they make the 638 HP ZR1 for guys like you.
i compare that to the number of firearms owned by most of the members here...

can you say Lay's Potato Chips
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