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Old 04-27-2012, 01:15 AM
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The ones that come readily to mind are Benelli, BSA, CZ, Enfield, FN, Husqvarna, Iver Johnson. Simson was new to me, thanks to mrerick's post about the Simson Lugers.

As a motorcycle manufacturer, Simson is hardly a household word, but at least I had heard of them, and even know a collector who owns one. I have yet to ride an FN or an Iver Johnson. I have owned a BSA, and still have a couple of CZs to go with my CZ pistols.

How about you? Does anybody have an Enfield rifle to go with his Enfield Bullet? A Benelli shotgun and a Benelli Sei? Do you know any other manufacturers who make (or have done in the past) both guns and motorcycles?
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if hi-point made motorcycles, they would weigh 1400 lbs and be powered by a 100cc chinese 2 stroke.
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Iver Johnson made motorcycles? I knew it was "Iver Johnson Arms and Cycle Works", but that was bicycles.
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I had a 1974 CZ 250 in high school. Never owned a CZ firearm.
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I've worked on several marques of Italian motorcycles , Moto Guzzi , Ducati , MV Agusta , Gilera , Moto Parella and last/least Benelli. No way I would ever own one. I do own a Benelli B-76. A sleek , sexy and very accurate pistol , but bewilderingly complicated design. Kinda like Dell'Orto carbs or old Ducati Desmo towershaft valvetrains! Don't know if Benelli made any other pistols , because this one is a good example why they should stick to shotguns! Didn't the WWI Chauchat teach the world about dirt getting into those big cut-out sides in magazines?




Ya know the old saying, "If the Germans can make a (anything) with 100 parts , the Americans can make it with 75 , the Russians with 50 and the Italians with 10,000!

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Iver Johnson made motorcycles? I knew it was "Iver Johnson Arms and Cycle Works", but that was bicycles.
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http://auto.howstuffworks.com/1915-iver-johnson.htm

They also made frames for several other motorcycle brands.

BTW , I'm on my way to an antique motorcycle show within the hour.

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Ya know the old saying, "If the Germans can make a (anything) with 100 parts , the Americans can make it with 75 , the Russians with 50 and the Italians with 10,000!
LMAO, thats funny

Porsche built Tractors, Lamborghini as well.
Opel made sewing machines before they tried building cars...
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I dont have any pictures saved to my computer but in the past I owned:
About a 1947 cz or "Czeck" sp?
1958 700 royal enfield It said "Indian" on the tank as I belive after indian quit building bikes here they imported them from enfield a few years. Somewhere I read that mine was one of eleven of the last bikes they imported that year and then they were done for good.
Then I owned a almost identical 750 interceptor royal enfield 1965. The difference was the 700 indian had one carb and the 1965 interceptor had duel carbs and 50 more cc.
Then I also had I think a 1967 basket case for spare parts. I sold it and someone else restored it. Those machines were advertised to do 120 mph. I know I broke the speedo and tach on one wild run! I also had about a 1963 BSA like the one shown above. That a old friend left at my place to use.
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AMF, they made Harleys and also did a lot of work on Garands, as well as Marlin rifles.
Unfortunately, the quality was not as good as it could have been on either.
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Very nice looking thunderbolt, you may be low on oil, as there is no puddle of used oil on the sidewalk
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I owned a 175cc Puch (sold by Sears as an Allstate) rode it back and forth to work during the summer...............a slow, heavy, underpowered machine with poor brakes but very reliable.

"In 1928 the company merged with Austro-Daimler and became a part of the new Austro-Daimler-Puchwerke. This company in its turn merged in 1934 with Steyr AG to form Steyr-Daimler-Puch. Like all enterprises of its kind, the Puch production plants had to change to arms production during World War II"
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A H Fox made cars, but I don't recall any motorcycles.

Bill Ruger would have probably made a nice retro-look M/C. His BearCat 'motorcar' was quite a vehicle, but wouldn't pass some of the gov'ts basic design safety regs to allow production.



Wasn't there a Webley (Vickers?)motorcycle..?
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Royal Enfield applied the name due to their proximity to the Enfield Arms facility. Their motto was something pertaining to being 'built like a gun' with a cannon illustration. RE made bicycles in the 1890s and built their first motorcycle in 1901. They also had real swingarm rear suspension and telescopic front suspension in the 1940s. Here is my 2006 Bullet 500.
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Baikal (pronounced bi-kle) are part of a massive Russian conglomerate who make, among other things, rifles, shotguns, handguns and, yes, you've guessed, motorbikes. Maybe that is where we got the word "bi-see-kle".

I have never ridden one of their bikes but did once see a Russian bike and sidecar in the UK - could it have been one of theirs?

I do own one of their guns - an IZH-43KH double barrel side by side coach gun with external hammers. I once took it trap shooting when my normal shotgun was in for repair and despite its short length and its apparent unsuitability I didn't do too badly. The other members of the club were quite impressed. And it was fun.
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I do own a Benelli B-76. A sleek , sexy and very accurate pistol , but bewilderingly complicated design....Don't know if Benelli made any other pistols , because this one is a good example why they should stick to shotguns!
I bought one of those in the mid-80s and sold it a couple of years later after buying a SIG P225. The B-76 was lovely to look at but came with one of the worst-designed magazines ever. And it was large and wide for a single-stack 9mm. It's not one of the guns I regret selling--which are most of the rest that I ever sold.
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Pop was big motorcyclist,and at one time had a Royal Enfield.They only came in chocolate brown that year,so he had the fenders and gas tank gold plated at Atlanta Plating Works.Matched up real good with the chocolate brown forks and the rest of the motorcycle.

I wish Harley Davidson would make a big three wheeled Smith&Wesson. I'd get a bang outta'that.
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Royal enfield had a unique "neutral finder" that worked well. It was a small heel pedal that you would depress and the bike would go to neutral without going down through the gears. It worked well if you had to stop fast where on other bikes in that case you would have to manuerver and hunt through the gears. They were a tempermentalb bike if you tried to twist her tail wrong on stirring it to life. That thing could kick you harder than a harley! In those days I could beat anything on the road unless they were hopped up by some race shop or whatever. I sure would like to have another like I had.
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I just bought a Kimber motorcycle -- they had tons of ads in all of the motorcycle magazines and Guns and Ammo -- so I knew it had to be a great motorcycle -- it's called the Raptor Pro Eclipse Covert Tactical
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If Harley-Davidson were to have built a gun...

Break action double barrel in .45 caliber
Barrels 45 degrees apart
Have a kick starter looking lever to open action
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It would still be produced today.
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I would like to see harley make quads and side by side atv,s. John Deer puts their name on some that Can- Am makes for them. Can - am used to be Bombardier.
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I thought Can-Am was a division of Bombardier, as is Ski-Doo snowmobiles....at least that's how it used to be. Can-Am made some pretty awesome dirt bikes back in the 1970's-1980's. They used Rotax engines. Two-strokes with rotary valves...pretty quick bikes, given the small displacement.
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I owned a 175cc Puch (sold by Sears as an Allstate) rode it back and forth to work during the summer...............a slow, heavy, underpowered machine with poor brakes but very reliable.

"In 1928 the company merged with Austro-Daimler and became a part of the new Austro-Daimler-Puchwerke. This company in its turn merged in 1934 with Steyr AG to form Steyr-Daimler-Puch. Like all enterprises of its kind, the Puch production plants had to change to arms production during World WarII"
Cool. I didn't know that, although I might have put two and two together with Puch and Steyr. I lusted after the Puch split singles in the Sears catalog when I was a boy. I did own a 50cc Sears Sabre (also a Puch) and a 106cc Sears Gilera, a hard-running, and dead simple little 4-stroke. I finally came across a 1966 250, and still have it.

p.s. "Slow, heavy, and underpowered, with poor brakes" sounds just like my standard review of the Jawa Californian, a Czech 2-stroke 350: "It's not very fast, but on the other hand it doesn't handle too well. Then again, the brakes are not very good, so you have a well-balanced all-around machine."

A buddy liked to ride his '67 Puch 250 from Pueblo to the BMW rally in Paonia, or from C. Springs up to Sturgis for rally week. Obviously, he was in no hurry. Neither was the guy who used to ride a 250cc BMW R27 from Globe, AZ, up to Sturgis. On the road, he covered as many miles in a day as his Harley-riding buddies, and made all the fuel and lunch stops. He just didn't get to spend as much time drinking at the stops.

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Royal enfield had a unique "neutral finder" that worked well. It was a small heel pedal that you would depress and the bike would go to neutral without going down through the gears. It worked well if you had to stop fast where on other bikes in that case you would have to manuerver and hunt through the gears. They were a tempermentalb bike if you tried to twist her tail wrong on stirring it to life. That thing could kick you harder than a harley! In those days I could beat anything on the road unless they were hopped up by some race shop or whatever. I sure would like to have another like I had.
I remember that nuetral finder now that you mention it.
Pop liked a good running machine,but he was a little fanatical with it. Unless there was some kind of emergency he would get out the feeler guages and adjust the valves EVERY SATURDAY. That came before lawn mowing or anything else.
Guess who had to sit on the bike and kick the starter while he was doing it? He did this with every cycle he ever had.
Drove me nuts. Pop was a flirt,too.He got into a race with a pretty blond in a corvette one day with me on the back of the motorcycle.
She had the top down.....on the car. She could drive that thing but of course the old man won,as he was a rider. I thought he was gonna kill me before it ended though. My pucker factor was great in that escapade. Looking back though.....GOOD TIMES.
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My first motorcycle was Moto Guzzi. Then I had an Allstate scooter,a Harley Hummer,and a Zundap Super Sabre that sounded like a herd of bees coming down the road.
I wore stuff out quick.
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Yep , from 1907-1915.



HowStuffWorks "1915 Iver Johnson"

They also made frames for several other motorcycle brands.

BTW , I'm on my way to an antique motorcycle show within the hour.
Well I learned something today. I have also seen a Evenrude moped in the car/MC museum at the "Riverside hotel/casino" at Laughlan NV. Of course as far as I know Evenrude never made guns, but who knows?
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I also had a moto guzzi. It was a 700 cc. or 750 cc. It was dependable, the front brake was useless though backing down a driveway with a slight grade. Top end seemed to be about 90 but it would hold it all day even rideing double. Around 1970-1972 several PD`s in S.cal used them. I belive glendale and maybe burbank. I have owned 3 enfields, a triumph, norton, moto guzzi, whizzer motorbike, czeck, suzzuki, and 3 harley dressers. A 1963, 1964 and 1969. Also a KLR and maybe a few more.
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Those three dressers are sweet. Especially the Pans.
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Dang! Which is the grandaughter?!
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Would your daughter like to visit France and stay with me? Or your wife!

I have a BMW bike but they don't make guns.
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I also had a moto guzzi. It was a 700 cc. or 750 cc. It was dependable, the front brake was useless though backing down a driveway with a slight grade. Top end seemed to be about 90 but it would hold it all day even rideing double. Around 1970-1972 several PD`s in S.cal used them. I belive glendale and maybe burbank. I have owned 3 enfields, a triumph, norton, moto guzzi, whizzer motorbike, czeck, suzzuki, and 3 harley dressers. A 1963, 1964 and 1969. Also a KLR and maybe a few more.
You are right about Guzzi brakes. I had a 750 Ambassador that felt like it sped up when you put on the front brake. Many hours of work had it stopping pretty decent, but it went down the road before I relined the shoes. That Guzzi twin-shoe drum could be turned into a pretty good brake with some new lining material and very careful setup. I rode a drum-braked Eldo that stopped as well as a /5 BMW, which is very well indeed. I never got mine to that point.
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Feralmerril;
I had the dead-bang twin to that black&white panhead ! Only diff was my bags were white.

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