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Old 05-08-2012, 08:32 PM
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I have a friend that witnessed a bank robbery, he got a bit involved in following the bad guys as they fled. They even shot at him putting at least on 45 through his windshield. They did catch the guy, my friend was a witness helping put they guy away. Fast forward ten years to this week. The FBI calls my friend to set up a meeting to discuss the criminals release from prison.

Now my friend is worried that this guy will come after him or his family.

I am sure some of you must have been in a situation like this.

Should he worry?

Whats usual, criminal forgets my friend or holds a vendetta? I realize everyone and every case is different.

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I can't go to the local Walmart without seeing an ex-inmate, sometimes several. I may not have testified against them, but I have written them up in the past and have had instances where I have found them with contraband or had other criminal stuff that has led to more jail time for them. I have had threats made before on me, if that person ever says anything or writes, no matter what call and get it documented. I know I have had inmates threaten me to come to my house, yada yada, and I always documented it, that way if any altercation no matter how small takes place, I have it somewhere so that I can prove their intent. In eight years I can count on one hand the issues I have had with ex-inmates on the outside, but I never take chances, and neither should you.
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I remember a guy back in Michigan who was going to testify. They found him months later in the woods by the river. Well first it was just his skull that was found. Bit later the rest of him turned up in the river. He had been cut up with a sawz-all and wrapped up in contractor bags.
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Interesting. One of my friends lives on the banks of the Great Miami River. Yesterday some fishermen in what's basically his side yard found a foot! Wedged in some debris. I haven't spoken to him about it yet. I don't think he was mad at anyone..

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This would concern me more today than 20 years ago. It is way too easy to find someone on the internet, even find where they work, pics of their house, info on family, etc.

As mentioned, have your friend document everything, even "wrong number" calls on the home phone.
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What David LaPell said. Former LEO myself and had several death threats, a couple of which - they meant it - and I took very seriously. I documented them all, so if it came to trouble later, I had it on record those bozos had threatened me previously. I also learned that I wasn't as readily recognized in street clothes, and a quick duck out of the area by me often avoided that, "Hey, I know you..." and the mess that would have followed...
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A co-worker was ex-LEO.

He got threats from convicts about to be released and he had a hard time getting a carry permit in New Jersey.
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A co-worker was ex-LEO.

He got threats from convicts about to be released and he had a hard time getting a carry permit in New Jersey.
I escaped from New Jersey in 1992 and so should your friend. Life is so much nicer here in the united states.

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Once quite a few years ago, I interrupted a guy who was preoccupied with trying to unscrew the storm window to my basement apartment. He stuck me with a screwdriver and got away. I picked his photo out of a lineup, and testified against him in juvenile court. Her denied being there, and the judge acquitted him.

A couple of months later, I was walking the skyways in downtown St. Paul, and sensed a large presence behind me. It was the guy, going "heh, heh, heh". I said to him, "Eric, I thought you'd be in prison by now." Last time I looked, sure enough, he was on the inmate list at a MN prison. For all i know, he's still there, or back there again.
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I can't count the number of people I've helped to send to prison in the last 43 years. I've never had any trouble with any of them after they got out. Most of them know that if you harm or try to harm an active or ex-leo you're gonna have a serious problem with those still on the job. I still "don't leave home without it" because nowadays you never know I can't remember any witnesses being harmed or threatened after a sentence has been served even though I've seen witness intimidation a few times before a trial. I'm sure it's happened some but I would think it would be a rare occassion.
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I have sentenced many, many people to prison terms, some just a couple of years, some for several life terms. I've had a few threats both before and even during trials, but I've never had a problem with anyone that eventually got out. I've had contacts with a few, all of whom expressed one degree of gratitude or another - nearly all of them said that sending them away saved their lives. Doesn't mean I won't ever have a problem, and I would never assume that I won't. Like Charlie, I've also found that most people don't recognize me in "street clothes," and that has probably helped avoid some awkward conversations. Bottom line, it hasn't been the problem so far that I thought years ago that it might be.
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"Like" isn't enough! What Charlie said.

I retired nearly 22 years ago (July 1) after nearly 21 years service. All the people I have met which I had arrested or testified against have always been quite cordial. It probably had a lot to do with treating them like humans inspite of the difficult situation which had brought us together in the first place! This is a problem much overplayed for theatrical effect in movies and television, virtually never happens.
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I'm a professional locksmith and suprisingly enough I've been threatened many times because I did my job.

After a residential eviction, the renter drove by my house. I had seen him the day before. The property owner and a sheriffs deputy where their to serve the eviction papers and I was there to change the locks afterwards. He threatened all of us but I didn't think anything of it until he drove by my house. Since my company vehicle is parked in front of my house, I'm easy to find. He had the gall to roll down the window and curse me. I had a spare magazine in my pocket. So reached in and stripped off a 45 round and tossed it to him. He left in a hurry. I learned a week later that he went to jail for assaulting the property owner. I was called to testify a month or so later. He was released about a year later and I haven't seen him since. And thankfully I moved anyway.

I have been to court a few times and threatened even more times for opening safes and storage units so the cops could gather evidence. And I've been threatened by loser husbands/boyfriends that beat the hell out their wife/girlfriend. The beat up wife/girlfriend quite often call the cops followed by a call to us to change the locks. And quite often I arrive before the cops do. Crazy yes. But's it's part of the job.

Most recently I witnessed a DUI while working and was called to testify. The jerk was foolish enough to threatened me in the court room. Since I have a few friends that are cops and a few others that work in the jail and yet a few more in the parole system, he quickly got the message not to mess with me. It's nice to have friends in the right places. I saw the guy once at the local casino but he didn't recognize me.

So if you ever wondered why your local, lovable locksmith would be armed on the job, you know why.
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Old 05-09-2012, 03:54 AM
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I have no idea how many times I have testified in court; Municipal, Superior, and Federal. I do know that 12 people are on death row, and the Nuestra Familia prison gang claims to have put a contract out on me. I have been accosted in the street, and I have received death threats. As far as I'm concerned, it is just a lot of hot air.
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Old 05-09-2012, 06:20 AM
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Vigilance.
I would ask the Dept of Corrections what sort of prisoner he has been, compliant or trouble maker, gang member or not, etc. Is he being released supervised or not?
And I would ask them for a fresh, pre-release mug shot of him too. It is possible you might even find one online, if the CT prison system posts this stuff, some States do.
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Aren't they prohibited by law to come even close to the homes of cops, co's, witnesses, etc.? Even that would bring them in trouble...
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Old 05-09-2012, 09:56 AM
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The only way an ex-inmate would ever be prohibited from coming to the house of a LEO is with an order of protection which I think is the most worthless piece of paper a judge hands out seeing how many inmates over the years end up in jail for violating them. After hurricane Irene when we needed some trees cleaned up, one of the tree companies we were going to hire was now owned by a convicted felon several times over because his father left him the business. He and I had words before, but was very cordial over the phone, just too expensive. This is why LEO's that do this enough keep track of the one's that do make threats, and after a while you know when the threat is BS. All new CO's get the friendly "I know where you live" from an inmate when they first start because the inmate is trying to roust him. I learned two answers to that old phrase, one being "I know where you live too." or my favorite, "Good c'mon over. you can meet the twins, modified and full choke." Never any troubles after that!
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I got into a fracus with a pair of guys years ago and both swore to me that "Once this is over they were going to find me, kill me and bury me in the dessert". I never worried about it. With just a little time to reflect I belive they knew they were in the wrong and only hate themselves over their stupidity.
In the incident I referred to these guys T boned me leaveing a bar and ran. I ran them down and boxed them up. They reapeatedly smashed their car into mine trying to get away. I ended up knocking one down and held both at gun point until the police came.
This was in los angeles about 40 years ago. Turned out they had warrents out for them.
I got off with no reprocussions after a couple hours. Even was given my gun and ammo back plus a ride etc. I sure wouldnt want to try it today though. They probley would jack the jail up, throw me in and let it down on me now!
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While on the job I had a actual "contract hit" placed on me and my partner by several drug dealers. That was in the early 90s.
An informant tipped our S.I.D. guys off and I'm still here.
I've put several guys away who swore that they or their assocates were going to get even with me later, knew where my family lives, etc.
So far so good. Scarey thing is with todays technology it would not be too hard to find who ever you were looking for.
My family and I always stay aware as much as possible without being paranoid.
I know of at least one brother officer who had a guy get out of the pen who had threatened to get him or his family, and begain stalking the officer's wife, most likely to rape and kill her to get back at him for putting him away for the better part of 20 years.
That perp was found dead before things went any farther. No arrests were made in his death.
One has to do, what they have to do to stay safe. You can't count on the authorities or government to protect you.
I hope your friend stays safe.
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30 years in law enforcement....vice/narcotics,investigations,patrol and supervision...no problems of this nature to date and know of no known examples
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Not EXACTLY on topic, but I have an aunt who was shot twice a few years back (still has one of the slugs in the back of her neck that they were afraid to mess with) by a daughter's wacked-out ex. He went to to the pen and a few weeks ago, she saw him again at a Denny's. He's out. He saw her too.

But now her husband and 4 grown sons are all fine shots so methinx a return encounter would result in the mutant's ticket gettin' punched.
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For the most part they wont do anything as they dont want to go back to jail. However not always. Before we met my wife was working at a small truck weigh station/cafe by herself. She was held up and the guy faked a gun. It really scared her as she was a divoricee with three kids to raise. He had her lay on the floor face down and told her he was going to put a bullet in her head if she looked up! He was soon caught. He had just got out of prision a few hours before and wanted to go back in!
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Vendettas are interesting. In the old days, when criminals were more or less "professionals", they might seek revenge against one of their own, but never against LEO's. There was an FBI agent who worked out a code with the then Mafia in Chicago that familys were off limits on both sides of the coin. Alas, today you have drugies, idiots, and just plain stupid people commiting crimes, and it's all a different story. I had an interesting encounter with one of the last "professional criminals" when I was a cop. He was a second story burglar. Furs was his business, nothing but furs. When he was arrested cutting through a silent alarm on the roof of a department store, it was all, "Yes, Officer, No Officer, Yessir and Nosir." He was unarmed and out before the paperwork was finished on him. Interesting fellow. (That was long before the 3-time loser law.) Might have been a different senario if that was the case.
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An update on this story

It seems my friend has spotted the guy several times now. He saw a strange car parked across from his house, he followed it and it was the guy. He has seen him just appear in stores and other public places. Seems prison has done him well, hes built up and muscular now...

My friend has called the local police (he is in Kentucky) they dont seem to care and dont return his calls.

I doubt the guy wants to thank my friend for putting him in jail. I dont think this will end on a positive note.

Anyone have connections in the PD that can help feel free to contact me, please...
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What is your friend's city of residence?

Is he in contact with the agents who contacted him regarding the release?
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The guy should still be on paper (parole). Call his parole officer and tell him what is going on and then watch your back.
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There is only one that I would seriously worry about---I also seriously doubt that he will ever be on the streets again.
If he does get out--well--it will be a shoot first and take the consequense's thing.
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A number of years ago there was a very suspicious tough guy sort that I was concerned about. He was obvously (to me) into drugs and guns and violent behavior. I had contact with him fairly often and it was tense but never went bad. I started keeping records on things I observed him doing and so on. After a month or so I went to the police with my information and told them of my concerns and gave them my notes. They were overjoyed! Said they had been watching this guy just waiting for an opportunity to nail him and the information I gave them was the missing link in their investigation. They got the guy on a variety of drug charges and illegal weapons charges and he went up the river for about ten years. I was told I might be called to testify but never was. He was recently released and I was concerned until I came into contact with him. Prison was rough on him and he is honestly just a shell of the guy he was before. I suspect he is on some sort of psych med because he seems a little slow and dull. He has been polite to me and all seems ok. I actually don't think he knows I contributed to his trip up the river.

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I like Geoff's ideas, and would add an inquiry to any with the knowledge about his mental state/attitude IE resentful, suppressed anger-any psych assessment data would be very valuable. And the thought that how you regard the person from the beginning is very important.
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I have a friend that witnessed a bank robbery...FBI calls my friend to set up a meeting to discuss the criminals release from prison...
My friend noticed a strange car parked across from his house, he followed it and it was the guy...notifying...local police (he is in Kentucky) they dont seem to care and dont return his calls...
What did the FBI have to say? Seems (to me) they would be the first one to notify if your friend now feels threatened...

As far as the "local police" - that is disgraceful! Even if they can't do anything because of the current laws - they should at least respond (and they wonder why citizen's are hesitant to get involved)...such a shame...
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Does your friend have any 1% MC buddies? Problem solved if he does!!!!
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My experiences have been mixed:

During my career, I sent several soldiers away for long sentences(as a military prosecutor) to FT Leavenworth (for stealing weapons, sensitive items, NVG's etc). When I was doing my CAS3 rotation (Combined Arms and Services School) at Ft Leavenworth, I was asked to take our class on a tour of the DB - Disciplinary Barracks (i.e. the prison) -- I escorted the class there and we went by the cells of 3 of the guys I had
prosecuted -- they were very polite, called me "Sir" (and one even told the class that I was a good lawyer and that I had been very fair to him)

Fast forward 10 years -- as one of the mentors and architects of Iraq's Central Criminal Court of Iraq, as well as the senior prosecutor, we were fast-tracking trials of terrorists (who had placed IED's, killed US or other Coalition troops or other Iraqi's -- these included AQI - Al Qaeda in Iraq ) -- the CCCI court complex was located in the Red Zone -- while we had excellent security (ourselves bolstered by some extra security teams) -- we were recieving threats constantly that they would kill or capture us or harm our families -- this only strengthened our resolve -- of course, they could read our names on our uniforms and our ranks. Iraqi officers often told us we had prices on our heads.
I simply said I wanted to make sure they spelled my name right and gave them my card (MNF-I TF 134 with my name and rank) and to give it their best shot -- as we knew the word would filter back. Our court house got shot at quite a bit and the bad guys kept trying to hit it with mortars (they did finally hit it with a 120 mm round -- no casualties except it shredded our teleconferencing satellite dishes that we used to obtain testimony from troops who had re-deployed to the US).

The only one that bothered me: I testified against a lawyer in a disbarment proceeding (I was representing a doctor who had not been paid for rendering medical treatment for a car accident victim and discovered that the lawyer who was representing the car accident plaintiff -- the same guy who had not paid my doctor client -- had forged a name to the settlement check and had pocketed the money that should have gone to pay my doctor client.) I sued the laswyer and reported him to the bar. He was disbarred permanently and convicted of felony theft in a separate criminal proceeding (there were other pending disciplinary charges against him as he was simply a thief and a bad person) -- he showed up at our office several times unannounced when I was not there and harassed our paralegals, anonymous phone calls to me on my cell phone telling me to go pick out a coffin, then one day as I was stopped at a light, he yanked open my car door and threatened me --he noticed my pistol in my holster next to the console -- and then he filed a false complaint that I had pulled a gun and pointed it at him -- of course, at this point, the police and DA already knew he was harassing me so that went no where. It culminated with him cornering me at a gas station with two of his friends, threatening me (although I had a gun in my truck, I did not
retrieve it as there were about 10 people standing around who witnessed this event, so I felt relatively safe) followed by him showing up at my home on a Saturday morning -- my wife opened the door and yelled for me and by the time I got there, armed, he had run back to his vehicle and driven off. Each time we reported it and had a police report done. This was the only incident that bothered me simply because I was concerned for the safety of my wife and 2 boys.
I had a conference with our police chief (who was a retired FBI SAC) --
who is a very good officer and lived in our subdivision -- he told me I would have been justified shooting the disbarred lawyer when he yanked open my car door and threatened me and knew that I had shown restraint. He told me that if another incident happened at my home that I should do what was necessary to protect myself and my family. He was very frank and supportive and he trusted that I would act reasonably. The disbarred lawyer, at last report, had become a preacher/minister and moved to the northeren part of the state.
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I have actually though about what I'd do if I was the released inmate. I am always running through weird scenarios in my head, and I have given this one some real thought. I wouldn't do anything to anyone who was truthful. If I was put away for years because of a lie, I'd kill them. Having my own misdeeds catch up to me is one thing, but losing my life to someone's maliciousness is another.
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I've never testified but I did serve as the jury foreman for a murder trial about 13 years ago.

Although two prosecutor's witnesses failed to show up and a third changed his story on stand, we found the defendant guilty of 2nd degree murder. He did everything right except change his pants - which contained blood splatter traces of the victim. He was sentenced to 20 years in prison, the maximum, IRC. This means he should have been out by now, assuming good behavior etc.

However, per the AL Dept. of Corrections reveals that now he is in for Life with Possibility of Parole. So, sometime in the last 13 years, he killed again apparently. Or possibly, he was convicted of another murder before we got to him.

After I rendered the verdict, we went back to the jury room and the Homicide detective came in and told us "the rest of the story". He said they had been trying to get this guy for murder since he was 16 (he was in his mid-30's at this trial) and had been unsuccessful. He had apparently killed several people before they were finally able to get enough evidence to go to trial.
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Old 08-20-2012, 10:24 AM
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As a career prosecutor, I've had several defendants who were angry with me and threatened me or gave me the impression that, should they ever be released, I might have some problems.

One is on death row and looks like he will be going in the not-to-distant future. His co-defendant was sentenced to life (we no longer have parole in Florida and life means life) so I am not too concerned about him.

There is one, however, I am always on the watch for. A man who tried to extort Clearwater officials, actually ran an elderly man off the road to make the point that he, the defendant, was dangerous and who tried to hire a hit man to take care of me while in jail.

I've prosecuted him twice now and he's back out of prison. The last time, he filed some document that would show that he was entitled to a new trial on the first prosecution based on "newly discovered evidence."

I looked at his "evidence" and realized I had seen that document before. I went through about 10 huge banker's boxes of documents and found the original.

Guess what? The original was not the same as the "copy" he was using for his "evidence" to obtain a new trial. He had altered his copy of the original, ran it through a copier three or four times, and presented it as a copy of the original. If, of course, the document had been real, he would likely have gotten a new trial.

Sadly (for him), in Florida, that is a Forgery and an Uttering of a Forged Instrument. He was really ticked that I had found the original and ticked more when he was sentenced back to prison for that little trick.

But, he's out now and busy hating the prosecutor that took my place after I retired. That young man, who was not really a gun person, now carries a Model 60 and I keep a careful watch for this fellow in case he drops by to see me. This guy just won't give up and really wants his convictions removed.

BTW, this all started in 1988 and has continued in the courts, both State and Federal, since then. He just makes up stuff, files false claims, and waits to see if anything will stick.

Otherwise, the usual empty threats and dirty looks, but nothing too exciting.

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Don t waste your time with local Law Enforcement. Contact local Office of the FBI, as well as the U.S. Marshall's. Bank Robbery is handled by the FBI, witness protection by the Marshall's.
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Not EXACTLY on topic, but I have an aunt who was shot twice a few years back (still has one of the slugs in the back of her neck that they were afraid to mess with) by a daughter's wacked-out ex. He went to to the pen and a few weeks ago, she saw him again at a Denny's. He's out. He saw her too.

But now her husband and 4 grown sons are all fine shots so methinx a return encounter would result in the mutant's ticket gettin' punched.
This is one of the things that just floors me with our sentencing laws. In the case cited by Beach Elvis, this woman was shot twice (one is still in her neck) "a few years back". So, this happened a few years ago, and the guy is already out of prison...

Why is it that if you shoot and kill someone (murder) you get a life term (let's say 1st degree murder), but if you are not successful in your effort to murder someone, you only serve "a few years". Seriously, just because someone is a bad shot, or the victim has the strengh to survive, you only get a few years! Assuming the premeditated intent to kill is there, shouldn't the sentence be the same. We discount prison terms for poor marksmanship/execution...?

I watched one of those "I Survived" shows on the Biography Channel one time (very un-nerving show...), and this poor woman was incredibly assaulted by her boyfriend. Out of nowhere this whack job attacked her, and tried to kill her. He stabbed her dozens of times, hacked at her with a meat cleaver, telling her that she needed to die. Somehow she had the will to live, and stumbled down the apartment building hallway and a neighbor pulled her into his apartment and rescued her. She had no use of her hands, one of them was hanging by a thread, her face literally hanging off, body mutilated, etc.

Long story short, the guy served something like 8 years (might not have even been that long...) behind bars for "attempted murder"! Are you serious, the only thing holding him back from actual murder was some sort of divine help for that poor victim! This guy is on the streets.

On a separate note, do not watch "I Survived" on the Biography Channel if you are looking for some light-hearted, 'fun' entertainment. Not going to happen!

Anyway, I hope the OP's friend watches his back, gets law enforcement to get involved, and does what he needs to do to protect himself.
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Couldn't read all that was said in the many posts above, but here's my 2 cents...

I have over a quarter-century in corrections, with one of the largest corrections agencies on the planet...here's what I would share...

most criminals know they are going to get caught eventually, it's an accepted risk that goes along with the profession they chose...as long as you didn't double cross them (like ratting them out after they took you into their confidence), they most likely will not have vengence on their minds (unless they're mentally unstable and decide to fixate on you - but your friend likely would have been made aware of this by now)...

just be sure he gets a current photo of the guy, so he can recognize him...if he has trouble getting a photo have him continue to insist on one and request help from a local legislator (federal since the guy was in the feds) if need be...

if you can, find out what city the guy will be living in (w/ the feds, they pretty much always have some form of supervised release to serve out, so they should know where he will be to start out)...

other than this, just tell your friend to keep his eyes and ears open...but he will likely never have any problem with the guy...

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I've only had to deal with this situation one time. My brother-in-law was killed in the next county by a drunk driver who was a twenty-something year old thug who had a list of petty convictions. He was convicted of negligent homicide this time and sentenced to 10 years.

After 5 years he was up for parole and my sister-in-law went to every annual parole hearing and testified against his release, I went with her in my LE uniform the first two years. The third time she went I was out of town and my wife (they are sisters) went with her. Interestingly enough the convict's brother cornered her after the hearing and indicated it would be a bad thing if my sister-in-law showed up the next year. The very next day I drove over to the next county to the convicts parents home, knocked on the door and introduced myself. I politely reinterated that their son had killed my brother-in-law and my sister-in-law had every right to testify at every parole hearing and she intended to excercise that right. They would likely get their son back in a couple of years, but my brother-in-law was dead forever. I also advised them of the implied threat from their other son and I shared with them that if he wanted to go there I was enclined to ablidge him. Otherwise, we could let this run it's course and leave well enough alone.

At the next parole hearing the parents where there but not the brother. After the hearing the convicts father gave me a slight nod and I did so in return. Evenually, the boy served the full 10 years and has been out nearly 3 years. We've not seen or heard hide nor hair of any of them, and frankly, I don't expect to.
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Old 09-09-2012, 08:54 PM
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I can add a bit of a follow up...

Finally got in touch with FBI, they came over right away. They told my friend they will pay a visit to the "person" but to be aware. They also gave him direct phone numbers for the agents. Told him to call day or night if he sees him around.

So far knock wood, he hasn't seen the guy around or had any trouble since.

Time will tell.
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Both my wife and I endured threats during our law enforcement careers.

Most of the were just bravado and smart mouthed punks that thought they were somehow going to intimidate us. All were taken seriously and we never dropped our guard when we found out they were released. We had a unlisted home phone for obvious reasons and still do to this day.

My worst fears came to pass in 2001. And not from one of miscreants we had dealt with on the job.

A phone call on a Saturday night from a young man who asked for me by name, stated that I was a low life *** and he was going to burn my house down and kill eveyone for taking his girlfriend away from him. He said it would happen when we were asleep and to "Rot in Hell" and hung up.

It so happens that our oldest boy is named after me. And this kid had our unlisted number. A quick call to my son verified what was going on and he had indeed taken this girl earlier in the evening from a party where her so called boyfriend had assaulted her. Apparently, one of his friends gave this kid our phone number.

The wife took the rest of the kids to a friends house several miles away and stayed with them. I called into work and told the shift supervisor what was going on.

Within 20 minutes I had 3 off duty deputies and 4 on duty surrounding my house. The patrols were searching for this kid and couldn't locate him.

I told my cohorts that if this kid shows up let him start the fire. I don't want him getting away with a charge of attempted arson or malicious threating.

We settled in for the night. Cells were put on vibrate,radios turned down and we waited. A couple of the guys thought we would come up empty handed, just the mouth of a angry kid at work. Something in this kids voice told me otherwise.

Just past 4am, one of the unmarked units parked in a driveway a half a mile away radioed word that a pickup truck had stopped a couple of hundred feet past them with it's lights off and one subject had exited the vehicle.

Sure enough he came down the road, cut through the woods next to the house with a can of gas, newspaper and a charcoal grill lighter. He went to the back porch, stuffed the paper into the lattice work under the porch, doused it with gas and lit it..

I really had a hard time controlling myself that night. I will admit that for the first time in my law enforcement career all concerns for someones rights flew straight out the window in those first few moments.

While myself and another deputy put the fire out, he was tackled on the side of the house and put under arrest. The unmarked unit moved in on the truck and arrested the driver...this kids 36 year old uncle.

The end result was he was convicted of one count of felony arson, 5 counts of attempted murder(our family) and two counts of the attempted murder of a police officer.(my wife and myself) His uncle got 10 years for his part in it.

The DA's office did a wonderful job with the case and a total sentence of 25 years was brought down on this kids head. The parole board has rejected him both times he has appeared before them. I have no doubt he will do the max on his sentence. He is due to be released in 2016 if he stays out of trouble and doesn't screw up in prison.

We moved away in 2011 when I retired from the department. The Sheriffs Office here has a copy of the case file, just in the event something happens.

I still don't sleep well some nights. I took that whole situation very personally.
I pray for his sake he never thinks of doing something stupid when he is released.
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For years after my retirement I would get an occasional call advising me that a certain individual would be getting out of prison. Only met up with one of them and he came to my house - he thanked me and said that it had straightened out his life. Glad that was the only one. I haven't had a call in about 12 years. Always carry and always be alert - they may not be like the one I met.
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That's excellent news.
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