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As I noted in the most recent thread regarding dangerous animals, we always seem to forget about wolves. Was I the only one who saw "Into the Gray "? Wolf hunting is actually advertised as a tourist attraction by the Romanian government. They are also still a problem in Siberia. Here in the lower 48 they are even found in areas once long free of them. So what makes for good wolf medicine - aside from a trusty Mosin -Nagant?
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It's a medium large canid, so anything from .38 SWCs with decent velocity on up would do. They are very shy, and both people and wolves will try to avoid each other. If one is messed up enough to present a threat it is probably a bit weak, and certainly pretty close.
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.243, .25-06, .22-250 ballistic tip?

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In Russia the wolf population is known to attack humans with some regularity. Last year a village was terrorized by a pack 400 strong that displayed no fear of humans. They were eating horses. When a pack gets too large attack helicopters are used to kill them. Animal size is said to be 7ft and 220 pounds. Photos that I have seen show either shotguns or old MNs in use. Thus the wolf is not always timid and will attack humans.
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The are really big dogs not particularly heavy bodied like a bear so I would feel worried as long as I was armed .357 and up. Don't know what I'd do about 400 of them though.
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I've read books on dangerous animals that narrated some very grim tales about wolves, usually in Europe. And Elmer Keith mentioned an instance or two of wolves attacking in North America. Two coyotes killed a Canadian singer in a national park about a year ago, too, and I think coyotes will eventually make news by taking unattended children in the suburbs. It's just an event waiting to happen.

We also have the issue of "coydogs", a dangerous crossbreedng. One did attack my son at night, which problem he solved with a Benchmade lockblade knife.

All wild canines and dangerous large dogs are more hardy than some might think. After my brother shot one with a S&W M-60 .38 and the lead Plus P FBI load in the shoulder, I lean toward the .357 Magnum or .357 SIG as a minimum.
The 10mm autos might make a lot of sense.

If a rifle can be carried, about any solid deer caliber will do, but if I was selecting for this use, I'd probably take a FN-FAL.

If you're caught in the open by a large pack, as in Finland or Russia, you're probably just up the creek, especially if the animals are starving. When they invade villages and the army has to be called, that's just extreme, but it has happened, more than once.

The wolf huggers try to tell you they won't attack, but they sometimes do.

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I'm hoping Little Red Riding Hood, or maybe one of the Three Little Pigs,
will chime in since they have had first hand experience with Wolves.
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I personally like the .308 in 110 grain for Wolves, that load really "howls."
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I bet 5.45x39 7N6 would rip em a new one quite effectively. And inexpensively. Most of the time when I have had a wolf tag, I have carried .308 or .30-06 because I was also hunting elk/deer/bear. Way overkill for thin skinned wolves.
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How about a 12 gauge shotgun?
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I'm really thinking that the OBG, Official Bear Gun, will do just fine...
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I've read book on dangerous animals that narrated some very grim tales about wolves, usually in Europe. And Elmer Keith mentioned an instance or two of wolves attacking in North America. Two coyotes killed a Canadian singer in a national park about a year ago, too, and I think coyotes will eventually make news by taking unattended children in the suburbs. It's just an event waiting to happen.

We also have the issue of "coydogs", a dangerous crossbreedng. One did attack my son at night, which problem he solved with a Benchmade lockblade knife.

All wild canines and dangerous large dogs are more hardy than some might think. After my brother shot one with a S&W M-60 .38 and the lead Plus P FBI load in the shoulder, I lean toward the .357 Magnum or .357 SIG as a minimum.
The 10mm autos might make a lot of sense.

If a rifle can be carried, about any solid deer caliber will do, but if I was selecting for this use, I'd probably take a FN-FAL.

If you're caught in the open by a large pack, as in Finland or Russia, you're probably just up the creek, especially if the animals are starving. When they invade villages and the army has to be called, that's just extreme, but it has happened, more than once.

The wolf huggers try to tell you they won't attack, but they sometimes do.
Gotta disagree. I'm researching for a presentation on wolves that I will be doing for WA State Parks as a campfire talk next month.

Fatalities: Two known in North America. Kenton Carnegie (d. 11/2005). Supposedly killed by several wolves in Sasketchewan. Local coroner (not an M.D.) ruled it was a wolf kill. Steve Herrero said it was a bear kill (noted authority on bear attacks) So did other bear specialists (I have read the autopsy and agree it appears to have been a bear). Wolves (and coyotes and foxes) appeared to have fed on him after death==nobody examined the site for several days after the attack.

Candice Berner (d. 2010) near Anchorage. Confirmed kill (clothing found in wolf's stomach). She was jogging and apparently ran in panic, which triggered an attack. She was a short, slender, blonde.

I've seen lions in a zoo focus in on a small blonde toddler and there was no way that kid would not have been lunch if that lion could have had his way!

In a 10 year study, 2 separate agencies (in 2 separate countries) determined there were 28 "valid attacks" (not provoked, no rabies, no small pets or camp supplies, etc) in all of North America.

All other attacks have been rabid animals, etc.

This does not mean that someone somewhere hasn't got munched and it was never reported==I'm sure it has but not very likely. My brother worked summers at a Boy Scout camp in SoCal. The caretaker (and local P/T deputy) had to put feral/wild dogs down several times. They were MEAN and would go for him. My buddies in Louisiana say they've been chased into trucks and had to shoot them.

Here in the Northwest, we have a lot of wolf-dogs and people turn them loose, thinking they'll survive. All attacks I've been able to follow up on were hybrids (after 5+ years, we had our first calf killed by wolves) Evidence indicates it MAY have been killed by wolves==one was definitely a coyote or wolf pup. F & G called it a "probable" but the investigator said it had been dead so long that no one could tell what killed it! Wolf, bear, pneumonia or a bullet==there wasn't enough to tell after a week.

In Europe, there are many factors that can play into it. Numerous large-scale wars leaving lots of bodies around, no other large predators (bears are pretty scarce outside of Siberia), a lot fewer firearms, etc.

BTW: I saw "Alien", what gun do I need to carry for protection?? ( lol; I thought The Grey was pretty entertaining!)

Texas Star: Send me your e-mail and I'll send my presentation, if you'd like.

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Dingos. Whattabout Dingos!!
Plus, I had heard that someone in Texas with a bunch of exotics had imported some hyenas to act as sort of a natural control and that some had escaped. Thus we will soon be facing a problem from feral hyenas if the population ever take hold. Bad juju. Bad juju indeed!!
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Just as well that you mentioned that, for wolf country is often bear country. You may mean only to shoot a caribou or deer, but a bear or wolf may have designs on you.

Just in case anyone hunting Sitka deer was planning on using a .243...
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I hadn't heard about this and so went straight to Google...but it wasn't Celine Dion.
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Bearbio talked about "short slender blondes" and a "wolf attack" ............that describes just aobut every college bar I went to in Baton Rouge, New Orleans, Austin, College Station.

Sometimes the wolf wins, sometimes he sulks back to his den in shame.
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In 1450, a pack of wolves managed to enter Paris. They killed 40 people. France had a rough time with wolves. The much later Beast of Gevadaun managed to kill 100 or so peasants. Give or take. Peasants were expendable in preRevolutionary France, but it got so bad soldiers were sent in.

Closer to home, wolves were still considered a possible threat in rural Michigan as late as WW1. My great grandmother remembered her father keeping a Winchester rifle around as wolf medicine. Some old timers claimed they were a problem until at least the 30s in the UP. Anecdotally the old 38-55 worked well.

Our friends in Russia can sometimes collect a bounty of over $300 for a wolf pelt. Big money in Siberia and not bad money here either.
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Wolves move quick. Make mine a 12 gauge Browning Auto - 5 with 00 buck. C.B.
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The Italians had a gun that was specifically designed for wolves called the Lupara (sp) and was evidently a very large gauge. Of course, the Italians used shotguns for other things too... As wolves are pack predators, and are supposedly repelled by fire, I would choose a Flame Thrower, if a Lupara wasn't available.
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In Russia the wolf population is known to attack humans with some regularity. Last year a village was terrorized by a pack 400 strong that displayed no fear of humans. They were eating horses. When a pack gets too large attack helicopters are used to kill them. Animal size is said to be 7ft and 220 pounds. Photos that I have seen show either shotguns or old MNs in use. Thus the wolf is not always timid and will attack humans.
I would need solid proof of that not to ring the BS bell.

A 400 member pack does not fit the way wolves roll. They are mainly territorial family groups led by an Alpha male and Alpha female. A 400 member pack would be in a constant fight that would tear itself to pieces. It would take a huge area to support 400 wolves. They'd run themselves to death covering it.

I've been to the area of Belarus that was completely depopulated by the gov't after Chernobyl. Moose and deer were everywhere. Flying over a large area in a small chopper, we saw dozens of moose in an hour even though it was a cloudy winter day with intermittent light snow. Wolf packs were fairly easy to find, but never exceeded the norm of about 6-10 or 12 members. Even in an area completely devoid of humans with game everywhere, the wolves were scrawny and did not exceed what I would guess to be 80 pounds for the largest. I've seen bigger German shepherds.
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If you're talking about defensive weapons (for relatively short range), I would think the AR-15 in 5.56 would be the perfect choice. Even FMJ XM193 packs a lot of energy and is amazingly destructive, especially within 50 yards or so. And excellent magazine capacity of 20 or 30 rounds. I have shot many jackrabbits with this, and have seen the damage inflicted first hand at ranges between 75 and 100 yards. I'm a believer.


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I can see it all now... next Hornady will be bringing out Anti-Werewolf rounds...

I have read that much of the human predation in eastern Europe in the beginning of the 18th century attributed to wolves was more likely Russian Boars. These are large, nasty tempered animals, prolific and hardy.

Probably the most practiced killer of wolves in the 20th century, Mr. Frank Glaser, liked the .220 Swift.
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I believe the Marlin Guide Gun in 45-70-300 would be good wolf medicen, there is a smaller verson in 44mag out there too.
Growing up I had a German Shepard that was half Red Wolf that I got from an uncle in California, his reflexes were like greased lightning. He was chaseing our car one day as we were leaving the farm, he kept up with us at 55mph, then we had to slow for a turn, so we took him back and chained him to a tree next to a creek for three days while out of town, upon return there were the remains of multipul dead animals- he got them with a 20 foot chain on.
There has been a sighting of what is believed to be a wolf, attacking a pack of 5 or 6 cyotes that were killing an ice bound deer a few winters ago ON VIDIO TAPE, the wolf got to eat the deer. This was in CENTRAL OHIO, the tape was given to ODNR, but they have no comment.
I had a friend, who lived in Minn. on the Canadian Boarder in the
60's and 70's. In the deep of winter starving wolves (is there any other kind?) wood migrate south onto their place to dine on livestock: 30-30 works well if you can get a shot.
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I have killed coyotes (here in the Adirondacks they can get quite large sometimes north of 70-80 pounds) with 16 gauge slugs, .22 Hornet, .32-20 and a car, but wolves are a bit bigger and I put them in the same class as some really large dogs. I would treat them the same.

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I would need solid proof of that not to ring the BS bell.

A 400 member pack does not fit the way wolves roll. They are mainly territorial family groups led by an Alpha male and Alpha female. A 400 member pack would be in a constant fight that would tear itself to pieces. It would take a huge area to support 400 wolves. They'd run themselves to death covering it.
Sergei here Russia Wolf Hunt claims relatively large sizes. Though a sceptic will note that his job is to sell trophy hunts. Still...

Large wolves - and SKS armed hunters - can be seen in the video here http://www.rt.com/news/siberian-wolf-pack-400/

'Super pack' of 400 wolves kill 30 horses in just four days in remote Russian village | Mail Online is one article on the 400 wolf story. It seems to have run in many papers circa Feb 2011 - supposedly the height of wolf season. Even allowing for inaccurate census of pack size they did seem to get 30 or so horses in one day.

Wiki - not the best source I know - lists even some wolves from the Ukraine weighing in the 90 kilo range though rarely and a Romanian example of 70 some kilos.

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Sorry, not solid enough for me. I noticed that Russians tended to, shall we say, exagerate or make the facts fit the situation.
The over $300 bounty per wolf is astounding, since I knew people in 01 that did not make that in a year. I would imagine that money like that would cause a line of sholder to sholder folks across the country like the beaters in an old time tiger hunt.
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My father (I miss him) snared wolves for bounty in northern Minnesota in the late 1950's early 1960's.
He and his snaring partner ran 7 different snare lines & were in the woods on snowshoes 7 days a week, and still only SAW 2 wolves loose & alive in his life.
There are many more wolves seen now - my sister sees multiples most weekends going to her cabin.

Size - Dad was on a Duluth TV show in the 1950's (Rocky Teller, maybe - before my time) w/ his largest pelt - it's been described to me as covering both sides of a standard door.
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In Russia the wolf population is known to attack humans with some regularity. Last year a village was terrorized by a pack 400 strong that displayed no fear of humans. They were eating horses. When a pack gets too large attack helicopters are used to kill them. Animal size is said to be 7ft and 220 pounds. Photos that I have seen show either shotguns or old MNs in use. Thus the wolf is not always timid and will attack humans.
I would REALLY like to see your source for this statement. Come on, a 400 strong pack of wolves? Only if they are the size of rabbits, wolves require a very large land area to support them and a 400 member wolf pack is impossible. I'll also point out that attacks on humans by truly wild wolves in North America are not just rare, they are nearly unheard of. Wolves are "shy" for good reasons, one of them being that they've learned that Humans are quite deadly, the second is that it can take as much as 15-20 square miles to support just ONE wolf.
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Plus, I had heard that someone in Texas with a bunch of exotics had imported some hyenas to act as sort of a natural control and that some had escaped. Thus we will soon be facing a problem from feral hyenas if the population ever take hold. Bad juju. Bad juju indeed!!
Those can be a REAL problem. Heck, they've been known to take on a lion one-on-one (sometimes you're the pigeon and sometimes you're the statue!). I was talking to the archaeologist for L.A. County Museum (the one at La Brea Tar Pits) and he said most "diggers" thought hyenas were the reason human remains are so hard to find, especially complete ones.

Also, dingos are dogs gone wild-lost their fear of man (most of it).
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I would REALLY like to see your source for this statement. Come on, a 400 strong pack of wolves? Only if they are the size of rabbits, wolves require a very large land area to support them and a 400 member wolf pack is impossible. I'll also point out that attacks on humans by truly wild wolves in North America are not just rare, they are nearly unheard of. Wolves are "shy" for good reasons, one of them being that they've learned that Humans are quite deadly, the second is that it can take as much as 15-20 square miles to support just ONE wolf.
There have been attacks on humans in India as well in recent years. http://www.nytimes.com/1996/09/01/wo...ted=all&src=pm

Here www.wolvesinrussia.com sells what they claim is a thorough English language account of Wolves in Russia

Handejector correctly points out that the Russians might tell some tall tales. But I posred links to the story as it ran in most papers and on Russian tv. The video footage does show piles of dead wolves and some quite large. The story seems have originated with the state government in that area of Siberia. I do not speak Russian so I can not translate the audio from their news story. It would seem to be a situation not unlike that domestically. Folks on the scene claim wolves are a threat. Folks in Moscow and Saint Petersburg that are far removed meanwhile seek to protect them.

The large sum paid for dead wolves would suggest someone sees them as a threat.

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A recent article in Field & Stream detailed an experienced hunter's encounter with a charging wolf while she was out elk hunting. She took it down at roughly 10 yards with a head shot from her S&W Model 29. The photo showed the wolf at 80lbs looking HUGE.
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I have two donkeys to keep wolves and coyotes away from the farm. Donkeys, especially jennies, will chase off any predators they encounter. These little fighters will stomp, kick and kill a threat. They are very protective of the animals they graze with.

In some South American countries the Donkey is used to protect herds against jaguars.
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You guys wanna see how they did it in old Russia?

Go on youtube and search, Rare footage: Caucasian Shepard.

I didn't do a link because it's a little graphic.

Look at the size of those puppies.
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The russians should hire Bigfoots to eradicate the wolves.
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I've been to the area of Belarus that was completely depopulated by the gov't after Chernobyl.
Is that how you developed the big teeth and excessive hair growth? Kind of Dr Moreau style??
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Dingos. Whattabout Dingos!!
Plus, I had heard that someone in Texas with a bunch of exotics had imported some hyenas to act as sort of a natural control and that some had escaped. Thus we will soon be facing a problem from feral hyenas if the population ever take hold. Bad juju. Bad juju indeed!!
Feral hyenas are no laughing matter.
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Feral hyenas are no laughing matter.
They do have a spotted reputation.
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I've always found that any one of my Official zombie weapons work equally well on werewolves, zombies, wolves and vampires. Of course if you run up against a yeti, it's a whole other requirement.
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According to, "The Mammals", by Desmond Morris, then curator of mammals at the London zoo, wolves (Canis lupus) average about 100 pounds, and in winter several packs may join, although they rarely exceed 30 animals. I do believe that occasional, exceptional wolves may reach 200 pounds, certainly 175 pounds.

He says that a pack may travel over 40 miles a day, expanding their range when prey is scarce.

I believe that larger packs may exist in places like Russia, but will not venture to say how large they may become. But when state news agencies proclaim that the packs are large and that they menace whole villages, I don't dismiss that casually.

The prospect of feral hyenas in the USA is a grim thing to contemplate. I hope that problem doesn't spread, if true.

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Werewolves???


Young Frankenstein ( junior ) - Werewolf! ...There! - YouTube

"Why are you talking like that?"

"I thought you wanted to."

"No, I don't."

"Suit yourself.... I'm easy.."
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