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Not much of a Smith &Wesson thread, since the company came rather late to the "9mm Kurz" party, and it'd pretty quickly get awfully boring looking at just Sigma and Bodyguard .380's. But it's always been a popular cartridge, and the advent of truly lightweight, pocketable pistols plus the development of more effective self defense loadings in this caliber has kept it a relevant option.

Here's an odd one to start off with, a stainless steel Walther copy made by Indian Arms back in the late 1970's. Supposedly only about a thousand of these were produced, but based on the serial numbers I've observed, I think the quantity may in fact be somewhat higher than that figure. Still, not a commonly encountered gun.

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The Bersa Thunder comes in a number of configurations. This my Concealed Carry model that comes with an 8 round magazine. Bang for the buck the Bersa is hard to beat with a very smooth trigger and retails, OTD, for just under $300.

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Here are three .380 auto's out of my collection to add to the picture thread:

The first is my personal favorite, a Colt Mark IV Series 80 Government .380:


Next is a Beretta 86FS:


And lastly is a Browning BDA-380 (which is essentially a Beretta 84BB):
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This is the only .380 i own.. AMT .380 DAO.

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I'm not a big fan of the .380 ACP, but there are times when I've carried one as a BUG. I've carried this Interarms Walther PPKS on occasion and has been very reliable and very accurate.

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Shown here many times before, my CZ83. Nicely made and VERY reliable.
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This is the only .380 i own.. AMT .380 DAO.
Before the AMT DAO type, there was a single action AMT Backup that was widely carried as a hideout gun by patrol personnel starting back in the 1980's. At some previous point, the AMT Backup was sold as the OMC (which I believe stands for Ontario Machine Co.) Backup.
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Here's one we all know...if you don't know which one it is then I ain't tellin'!
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My Bersa/Firestorm .380.
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1934 Beretta, circa 1966.
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Only one....A Colt Mustang.





I don't have a special fondness for the 9mm Short...But,
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Refering to Goony's post: I have the single action type .380 pictured. But instead of AMT or OMC, it is marked IAI, Irwindale, CA.

Is this a later company name? Pistol is accurate and feeds all types of ammo.
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Refering to Goony's post: I have the single action type .380 pictured. But instead of AMT or OMC, it is marked IAI, Irwindale, CA.

Is this a later company name? Pistol is accurate and feeds all types of ammo.
IAI = Irwindale Arms, Inc. This company acquired the manufacturing rights to AMT's line-up and produced the Backup for just a couple of years at the end of the 1980's. An interesting variation not too often seen.
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You're right about that. These are large for a .380, much more along the lines of a duty sidearm.

Here's a photo of the two tone version.
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My wife carries a Bersa 380. Up from a Walther .32. Likes the Bersa better. For what a S & W or a Walther costs, we got her a 380 and a 22 in the same configuration (to practice with).

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You're right about that. These are large for a .380, much more along the lines of a duty sidearm.

Here's a photo of the two tone version.
But, they are double stacked,
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I don't have a special fondness for the 9mm Short...But,
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Savages, I take it, if the IMG code is correct. Very cool collection, my friend.
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I sorta liked the Savages, three of them in the pic. My late uncle used to own one like the M-1917 on the bottom, but I think his was a .32. I used to admire it when i visited him.

He had a couple of .32 Colt revolvers, too. Don't know why he liked .32's. Maybe low recoil and cheaper ammo then. But he seldom shot; just had the guns for protection.

I like SIG P-220's Beretta, too. I had one of the military ones for a couple of years. Grouped into about the size of my hand at 25 yards. Would have done better, but the trigger pull was really hard.

BTW, the Portuguese issued some of those Savages. Their main sidearm then was the 7.65mm Luger, so the Savages may have been for high ranking officers or undercover work. The Dutch bought some Colt .32 autos, some for pilots. The Japanese captured many when the Netherlands East Indies fell and re-issued them, some in Jap holsters. What we consider to be pocket autos have been taken more seriously abroad.

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Here's someof mine and the Wife's

Mine:

Beretta Model 70S



Beretta Model 86, tip up barrel



Colt Series 80



Walther PPK/s



WIFE's

Bersa Thunder 380, Christmas 2011 and Beretta Compact L




Sig 232, Rainbow Titanium



Knives to go with the Sig





Just realized that I had not photographed and uploaded 2 more of the
Wife's Berettas. Will do that later and post them.
Here's the rest of her 380s

Beretta 84



Beretta 84 EL, BBQ gun


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Here's a pair of .380's that don't have much eye appeal, but are technically interesting and historically significant. The Grendel P-10 (top) and P-12 were precursors of the ultra light, highly compact Kel-Tec which established an entirely new paradigm for concealed carry.

The P-10 is peculiar in having a fixed magazine that is charged through the top of the pistol. The P-12 has a conventional removable magazine with a generous 11 round capacity. Both sport a polymer frame and the small fully shrouded hammer, double action only sans safety design that has become so ubiquitous.

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Here's another, dated 1942. Acceptance marks suggest it was originally Italian military issue but later passed into service with the Wehrmacht. A misapplied (overlapping?) slide stamping makes it look to be a Model "934" instead of "1934" as it should be.

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JMO, but he best overall .380 is the Sig 230/232 Tack driver, reliable, decocker, good trigger, size, design. The CZ is my favorite to shoot but a bit to large. For true pocket carry I still like the Ruger LCP.

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Here's another Walther copy, this one made in Hungary by FEG. It's essentially a PA-63 chambered in .380 instead of 9mm Makarov. The frame is aluminum alloy. The original grips were black plastic with a thumbrest, but it now wears a set made of rosewood.
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Thread must have a Mod 51 Remington.



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Bodyguard with matching .38



also have a LCP.
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Here's another Walther copy, this one made in Hungary by FEG. It's essentially a PA-63 chambered in .380 instead of 9mm Makarov. The frame is aluminum alloy. The original grips were black plastic with a thumbrest, but it now wears a set made of rosewood.
I have a FEG PA63 in the Mak 9x18, kicks like a mule!

A 380 I just acquired is the 738 TCP by Taurus. It's no PPK or a Bersa even, but it does ok
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Sig P238 and the Kahr P380 - The Sig was an early model - that's the replacement after 4 trips to Sig and 1,400+ rounds and never able to go through two mags without a failure. The Kahr has been much better.


Real Sig 232SL's have a few of those. Target is the last 2 rounds of my first box - almost not fun to shoot so I tried something a little more challenging at 30'.



Kahr P380 - not the accuracy of the 232, but very easy for pocket carry.

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It's been my experience that all pistols chambered for 9X18mm, even the all-steel Makarov types, exhibit rather harsh recoil characteristics. I attribute this to pushing the envelope out to the maximum insofar as how powerful a round can be shot with a straight blowback design. I'd expect a PA-63 to be even worse due to the lightness of its construction. However, I can tell you that FEG's PMK-380 version is not at all unpleasant to shoot.
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I like 380's and have a few. Don't ask me why I like them but I do. Don

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I agree with Goonie! The straight blowback design is not very comfortable in these small pistols. I have a Walther PPK/S bought at a gun shop in Miami in 1973, when they were the rage and all of the "Cuban Mafia" were armed with them. I was the Deputy Chief Medical Examiner for Dade County/Miami at the time. I dug out more .380's from decedents than I could count, so I decided that I needed to be armed like the rest of the citizens.

Fortunately, a friend had one and let me fire it before I fired mine. Mine is still in the safe, NIB with a spare magazine, box and goodies. I decided that there were better pistol designs for me.

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was surprised not to see a Mauser hsc. Have wanted one for a long time but just don't want to pay the price.
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About the same as a .38 Special! I personally carry a .44 Special since I am a revolver person. If I was into semi-automatics, I would go for a .45 ACP. They do the most damage and have great "knock down" ability. I would love to have a S&W just like my 696 chambered in .45 ACP!

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What's with all the "pocket" pistols? How about a couple of BIG .380's??

First is a Czech CZ38 Military DA only.......
THe second is a Swedish Husqvarna M1907 that was converted to .380 (from 9mm Browning Long) to make them more saleable on the surplus market.
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Thanks to Dean for bringing up the Czech pistols, I hadn't even been thinking about them.

The Vz38 was a unique service pistol, certainly full-sized despite its .380 caliber. It also stood out, as has alreadty been noted, for being double action only. Although adopted by the Czechoslovakian armed forces, it was never issued, all production being diverted to meet the needs of the Third Reich, where it was designated as the P(39)t (the "t' standing for "Tschechoslowakei" which is Czechoslovakia rendered in German).

The other pistol shown is another .380 made by Ceska Zbrojovka, the Vz24, which did arm the Czechoslovakian military in the prewar years, although not in large numbers. The example pictured is a documented but little known variation, unserialed, bearing a single Nazi proof mark on the barrel.

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Another one I used to have (but no picture) was a Piper-Bayard Vest Pocket. It was just slightly larger than a Browning Baby and was in .380, blow-back. (Even with the recoil "damper" spring it was still unpleasant to shoot.)
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I'm kind of surprised no one has brought up the Glock 25, which is mid-sized in the company's lineup, but nonetheless at the large end of the spectrum as far as .380's go. Perhaps few are even aware of its existence, as I don't believe it's ever been available in the U.S. market. There's a blurb on this model at: Glock 25 - History, Specs and Pictures

There's also an ultra-compact version, the Glock 28, which supposedly is limited in this country to law enforcement sales (why that should be, I've no idea).
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Although not a big .380 fan, I have really enjoyed this thread. Thanks to everyone who posted their pics.....love it.
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I have a very early edition Beretta 84.

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Another one I used to have (but no picture) was a Piper-Bayard Vest Pocket. It was just slightly larger than a Browning Baby and was in .380, blow-back. (Even with the recoil "damper" spring it was still unpleasant to shoot.)

Can you believe they once ran a magazine ad for those showing one being used to shoot a charging Cape buffalo?!
It used line art, not a photo...
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Well, one thing could be said...... They are small enough that you probably wouldn't walk too funny after the buffalo got done stuffing it up your .........
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Well, somebody has to post a Ruger LCP...

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