Brew City Shooters Supply in Milwaukee reports the name of every customer that comes in to use their firing range to the West Milwaukee Police Department.

To me, this is wrong. It’s not the government’s business to know when or how often a law-abiding citizen uses a firing range.

Milwaukee gun range voluntarily reports law-abiding customers to local police

I would guess that this particular range might have a precipitous drop in business.

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Georgia On My Mind

If I lived in that area they would certainly be off my list of places to do business.

Wow - Brew City Shooters Supply voluntarily submitted the names to the West Milwaukee Police and they willingly accepted them. Kind of makes you wonder if this isn't done across the US?

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.:God Bless America:.

In most states it's a crime to run someone's criminal history without a valid, law enforcement reason. How a firearms range could become involved with such anti 2A garbage is beyond any reasoning. We'll wait and see how this one turns out....... Where's the Attny General when we need him?? Oh that's right, never mind.......

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Tom
"Panem et Circenses"

I would find another range.

More to this story. I'm sure there was pressure from outside the owners "desires." Joe
West Milwaukee gun shop resumes selling weapons - JSOnline

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Wisdom chases me; I'm faster

Well, since the AG probably won't step up, may be we can look for another champion of individuals' rights to intervene --- the ACLU ?

The article says the police chief uses the info to run criminal background checks on the names using "his" system. Not sure what that means. I don't think he has a proprietary interest in NCIC, though. By the way, and off-topic, I assume that you've all contacted your congresscritters and senators to give them your two cents worth on the new bills to ban internet/mail order sales of ammo and components, require photo id and record-keeping of all ammo sales and to report to police any sales of more than 1000 rounds in a five day period. Just think how easy it will be to go into Walmart and get cases to reload for "orphan" cartridges. Not to mention being labeled as a nutcase/suspect for buying two bricks of .22 on sale.

That wouldn't bother me but I wonder why people get in an uproar over something that LEs are working weeding out the criminal elements.

I have nothing to hide. Do you?

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_It was love at first shot_

The framers of our Constitution, thankfully, thought otherwise.

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Professional Trainer

The newspaper article makes it clear that this was a problem store and had been for years. ATF moved to pull a previous owner's FFL to deal with a serious straw sale/crime-gun problem. The store is still in the family, but the current owner, operating under his own license, seems intent on weeding the criminal element out of their former client mix.

If I lived in the area I would have known the store's reputation and I would already NOT be shooting at their range. If the crime-check cooperation is common knowledge (rumor is as good as reality in this type of situation) and drives away people who might prefer not to be crime-checked, so much the better. That might actually bring me in as a customer.

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David Wilson

Im certain that frequency of range trips are also tabulated which can get honest gun owners pinched. its also an extensive hit list for mass confiscation. Some people need a hard kick in the groin over these things

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it just needs more voltage

Hey. it's Wisconsin, The State that knows whats good for you"

Been there, lived there it Madison the worst County of them all.

What's with the name BREW City? To associate beer and guns is pretty lame to begin with. How is the store(other article) thinks it can require testing or knowledge of guns?? That isn't their job.

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Still Running Against the Wind

Lord, have mercy!

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Georgia On My Mind

You should amend or delete your post.

Our freedom is being taken away a little at a time. And this is how it starts.

Really? If someone practices shooting extensively by making frequent visits to a commercial shooting range, how would he be "pinched"? What violation would the police charge him with?

Wow, the old straw dog of "you can just walk in a buy a gun without any check" is rampant in the story.
Do the customers know their info is being turned over to the police. I kinda thought they needed a probable cauae and a warrent for that.
Very scary.
Will all the privacy laws that have been passed, I think turning this info over is very illegal without your written concent.

that post was wrong and i hope its deleted !!!

It seems to me that these owner, the two brothers, must gain some kind of prophet by operating outside the law. It's a shame that law abiding shooters are subjected to violations of their freedom as a result. The easy solution, rather than waiting for some agency to intervene, is don't go to that establishment. I'm sure they would go out of business or be shut down without law abiding citizens running a front for them.

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Hold on. SWAT's at my door.

It's backdoor registration and registration has NO purpose apart from facilitating future CONFISCATION.

Please explain [in detail] how that PD is going to do a BETTER background check than the FEDERAL one.

Take as much space as you like...

I can't believe that people think like that! Larry

As an LEO I can tell you this stuff is going on more than you realize, and no it isn't ok. As long as we keep this "if you're not doing anything wrong so it should not bother you." BS we are going to have every right we have taken away by our own apathy.

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Vaya con Dios

I call your attention to the following rules:
Focus on the issues, NOT each other.

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"I also cook."

There is a large retailer of firearms locally. I'm sure he knows a small percentage of the firearms sold will eventually be used in crime. Since we already "insta-check", should he transmit all data to the Orlando PD/OCSD/FDLE and let them "have a look?" Maybe he should close all his retail locations and give up selling firearms. That would be the "moral high road" given the possibilities. I guess GM should stop selling cars because a small percentage of them will have a DWI driver eventually? All McDonalds should also close because a small percentage of people will "misuse" their product and die of CVD? Don't get me started on tobacco because it is a product that will kill you when used properly. How should the .gov move on that? Once you go down the "reasonable" road all reason is lost along with freedom eventually. Joe

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Wisdom chases me; I'm faster

Boycott till they stop or go out of business.

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Lt. Dan, what R U doing here?

the same name comes up over and over ... its only natural for an antigun official to get a set of eyes on him. the pinch need not be firearm related. it can be simple city ordnance violations or anything overlooked. with well over 20,000 laws on the books, we are all dreaming if we really think we are not in violation of a few of them

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it just needs more voltage

What scares me a lot is the amount of video surveillance that is all around us and most people are unaware. There is no where around here that you are not being recorded.

So I am sure these stores/shop/range whatever also have everyone recorded. What use it is, I do not know, but in the hands of someone it could be used against you.

There is no privacy. So much is "Public Record".

It's pretty scary.

Person of Interest TV show is probably not too far off.

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Still Running Against the Wind

I suggest outdoor ranges in light of this particular range.

I have never seen a camera at the outdoor range I attend. I doubt the rangemaster's family run business is sending anything to anyone.

If we continually allow or freedoms to be attacked and whittled away without putting up a fight then one day we will wake up to find that we have no freedoms left to fight for.

Maybe we could just send a monthly report to our local Law Enforcement Official of our activities for the month. I have nothing to hide either, but I don't believe we need to report all our lawful activities. Seems we have something called The Constitution, to protect us from this sort of thing.

whats worse is that when you really read between the lines in the story, it sounds like it may very well have been a condition for doing business. If so, it speaks volumes about problems.

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it just needs more voltage

So by the same standards it would be ok if the cops walk through your house seaching..............shouldn't bother you , you got nothng to hide, Right?

I THINK THIS SHOULD BE TAGGED AND BAGGED BEFORE IT GETS OUT OF HAND.
DW

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"NUTS"

No i have nothing to hide either but do you want "Big Brother"
notified every time you take a **** or get a cup of coffee?
Attitudes like this are why we are losing our freedoms.
What could be wrong with this ???
I don't mind if it catches a criminal or two....
It's absolutely NOONES business what i do or don't do with my guns unless i choose to tell them.
I have NOT commited any crimes in going to a gun range
to shoot in peace have I ???
People, and Places like this range are why i'm very thankful
i have a friend nearby with a farm i can shoot all or any of
my guns in peace.

Chuck---A law abiding citizen--

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They hold no Quarter

Nah ... the cars running on vapors. it'll be stalled by morning

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it just needs more voltage

What------------no blame for the Chief of Police and his department. IMHO it is wrong what the store is doing but there should be blame to the police also.

As Nancy Reagan used to say, "Just say no."

They have no more duty to comply, absent a warrant, than they would if the police demanded customers' credit card numbers.

This was obviously VOLUNTARY action, as there was no legal mechanism employed to COMPEL it.

I have nothing to hide either,but the range owners AND the Chief(department) seem to be pushing it a mite too far by doing this. Big brother is always watching,but this is just one more step in the direction of total control of the citizenry.
There has to be a cut off point where it becomes un reasonable to pry further into one's personal affairs.

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Blessed be the Lord,my Rock

"That's all I got to say 'bout that". (forrest Gump)

Well if you guys don't think that someone from the government is keeping an eye on this forum I got a bridge to sell you.
(Sits back and waits for the fireworks to really start)

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Forum consigliere

With respect; I think you are missing the point of the post. I have nothing to hide either, (well maybe that one thing), but having your name run through a law enforcement data base of any sort with no evidence of wrong doing, is just wrong. YMMV.

The legal system of this country was not based on the "Guilty until proven innocent" principle.

Since you have nothing to hide you won't mind if detectives just stroll in your home to conduct random searches with no notice, probable cause, or warrant.

What! Have them find my porn?

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_It was love at first shot_

Or your bible.

Buying a gun at a gunstore as a non-prohibited person, on a 4473 is no less legal than owning a bible.

If you're willing to have the police pry into one thing that's none of their business, why quibble about another?

The post should NOT be deleted. Know Thy enemy. I want to know what people are really thinking whether I agree or not. I don't want to hear just one side of the story. I can't believe people can just stand around with their heads in the sand, but I would rather know the truth than have someone lie to me and just tell me what they think I want to hear. Our rights were earned by the Blood and Sweat of our forefathers and we and I mean ALL OF US need to stand up to anyone, and I mean anyone who would attempt to either deny or limit them in ANY damn way. Please say a prayer for all those involved. And please be prepared because I really think it's only going to happen more often I'm sorry to say. Have a good one & keep your powder dry. Later,

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Dennis in Idaho

I would boycott that place like the plague.

Far from it to be me who would fan the flames of rampant paranoia...but as your all aware we gun owners aren't exactly liked by main stream media, or certain gov't types. Are we used to it? Yes! Have we really tried to change their opinions? Yes! Are they listening? NO!
Thing is right now with the recently defeated U.N. gun policy and a rather well timed attack on innocents in a theater make me wonder if we're being set up as "fall guys and gals"?
There's a saying:"The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance!" and now more than ever we need to be watchful! Dale

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"Long live the S&W 3rd. Gen.!"

The boat I work on is home ported in Milwaukee . This place used to be named Badger Arms . Yes they had their FFL yanked by BATF due to the fact that the majority of crime guns in the area were directly traced back to them . I imagine that to be able to keep business open they have to cooperate with local LE . There are many other places to shoot in the area . Due to all the conterversy I avoid the place . I work for a Gov't contractor & frankly don't need the hassle . Above facts can be verified by searching local newspapers etc .

You need to give some serious thought to your position.
f.t.

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