This is absolutely true. Back before reallity TV the thing for bike builders and bike parts makers to do was get featured in Easyrider magazine. It could be the biggest pile of useless junk on the planet but if you had "So & So's" widget on your bike you were the chiznet.

No such thing as bad publicity. Gunsmoke & Red Jacket are probably bringing in more on apparrel than most gun shops actually gross.

Just did some research.

Rich Wyatt has a net worth of $10 million. Actually has a lot of good creds. He was LEO (20 something years), Firefighter, Chief of Police and master gunsmith and instructor. So I do give him credit for knowing his stuff.

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I've said it before and I'll say it again, for shows you find disgusting, ya'll sure seem to know a lot about it. An outside observer may think you don't miss an episode. Just sayin.....

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I think that we should ask, "how did a retired cop amass $10,000,000?"

He should be lynched if for no other reason than his web site offers this:

Other than the show is silly, I think that most of us are upset because we are jealous. He's young, thin, wealthy and has tons of guns and a pretty wife who likes guns.

He's got me beat on all those accounts although if push comes to shove, I could lose weight.

Speaking for myself I did tune in to the first few episodes. Too painful to watch. Moved on.

The recent heirloom shotgun butchering was being mentioned on the internet it was so bad. I jusr HAD to tune in to that train wreck. Wish I hadn't. That WAS a beautiful gun.

Dowager: "Sir Winston, you're drunk."

Churchill: "Madame, I may be drunk, but you are ugly, and in the morning, I shall be sober."

The $10 Mil may be questionable.
The LE experience, as far as I can find, is that he retired as chief from a town of less than a thousand population.
If anybody's been able to find his firefighting experiences consisted of more than a volunteer in a small town area, I'd be grateful if you could post it.

Multiple drive-by Internet mentions of his 22 years' LE experience, that smalltown COP was the only place I could find that was specifically mentioned anywhere.

You can't go strictly by his website.
Denis

I have the feeling that you're calling me drunk and ugly.

For me those shows would be better if they didn't spend so much time showing slo-mo bottles breaking and repeating themselves 400 times. How many times did they have to mention Wyatt Earp and the Buntline?

What would have been nice is if they had taken the time to explain that since the pistol has a 16" barrel, you can add a butt stock to it without needing NFA paperwork.

Another of the claimed rounds between Churchill and Lady Astor is my favorite...

Lady Astor (first woman MP in the House of Commons): "Mr Churchill, if you were my husband, I'd put poison in your tea."

Winston (getting unsteadily to his feet): "Madam, if I were your husband ... I'd drink it."

Sorry, a bit off topic.

Edmo

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I decided to watch a couple more episodes and something struck me as curious. He's always delivering guns in unusual places and every now and then says, "Let's do some paperwork."

An FFL can only deliver guns to a non-licensee at his licensed premises, a gun show and a couple of other narrowly defined events. Going out to some guy's house and delivering the gun just isn't within the rules.

No wonder the unwashed masses think that you can go into a pawnshop anywhere in the country and walk out with a gun without doing any paperwork.

being a volunteer firefighter, at times may be harder than being in a paid dept. you risk your life for no pay, often being called out after you are well asleep , only to get home in time to go to your regular job. the calls are no less dangerous . there is less monies to buy the better equipment that the paid guys have so you need to make due with the lesser stuff.

training is on your own time, and often on your own dime if you want to take more than what the department can afford to sen you and all of the other volunteers to.

i think the fact that this is a television production that is being directed to be over dramatized for emotional effect, is being forgotten. i'm sure their true gun smithing skills are not showcased as it would be boring to the masses. as for me, i enjoy seeing the various concoctions that the "customers" want made on both of them. whether it be a whimsical, over the top gun, or the slight mods the do to the real, every day guns(notice there is basically one of these in every show). as far as the whimsical goes, i get a kick out of seeing what people can dream up. for me the more unconventional and useless the better as i enjoy seeing what other people will let their imagination do. i can't imagine not letting my imagination run wild.

Well bottom line. It is what it is. He has more money and guns than I do and he is on TV, we are not. I do not like the show but admit I have seen it a few times and prefer it to the other one.

So are you saying that these show are not really real? Oh my! who would have thunk it.

And this thread now has 4,900 views, my threads don't generate that much interest

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For me the problem is that the shows are presented as reality. Quasi-documenataries. Non-fiction. We all know that "CSI: Miami" is fiction but people still believe that much of the show is real.

When you first watch one of these shows, you think "Hey, this is cool. We're getting an inner look at this place." Then you realize that things are being done with multiple takes. Then you figure out that the conflict is all scripted. Then you find out that in some cases, the gun that the "customer" brings in actually belongs to the shop because the producer didn't like the customer's gun.

Unfortunately, hoi polloi watch these shows and believe that this is how the gun shops/motorcycle shops/car shops/model agencies/&c. operate.

In the end, there are approximately one billion cable channels and they have to fill them with something.

One of the few episodes that I've seen of this show had guy bring a rifle in to get it converted to a new caliber for an African hunt. In retrospect, the action was like a third grade play. "I want a new caliber." "Okay, I think that you should get the .499 Rhino Stomper. It will only cost you thousands and thousands that you could spend on a new rifle." "Okay, here is a pile of money."

No discussion of what sort of game the guy was going after, no discussion why the .499 RS was the best caliber, no discussion of options for the stock or scope. Rich didn't even say, "Let's go to my office and discuss things" while the show went to other action.

Maybe I am too critical.

One reason that I like Star Trek is that they don't try to pretend that it is realistic.

A few years ago I had the Performance Center Charge Work team put a Bodyguard hammer in my daughter's 331Ti. They also did an action job. She can still use the single action; but, the hammer doesn't stick out so much that it snags very easily. It was under $200 for everything, including shipping.

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it 's all about what the masses want...most people watch these reality shows knowing they are scripted and fake...much like wwf wrestling...but they still enjoy the value of what is there. we may not like them because they don't show the true gun world, but then again, 99% pf people know it's fake.

i'm not so much of a gun buff to have known about some of these guns they have "recreated" from the past. it's nice to know that such a gun as the buntline existed. now i do.

Speedy,
I'm not knocking firefighters, paid or unpaid.

I would simply like to see what the guy's advertised "credentials" actually consist of.
In my case, if I say I spent 26 years behind a badge, it wasn't at a Pop 1000 town, and I worked those 26 years.
In his case, who knows?

If he actually put in serious smoke time, great.
If he only went to enough meetings to get a "Firefighter" license plate, not so great.
Denis

As far as ND's go are they somewhat common when holstering a revolver? Guess I never really thought about it.

I can see it happening I guess but I wouldn't think it would be easily done. Just asking because I recently started carrying a 642 with hip grips and I had almost convinced myself I wasn't going to shoot off my junk with it, but then you had to go and talk about holding down the hammer when holstering or putting your finger behind the trigger.

Doesn't seem like the latter would do much since as soon as your finger got to the holster you'd have to remove it from behind the trigger. What exactly would we be expecting to catch the trigger and be strong enough to pull it when holstering?

I may be over analyzing your post a bit but again, it's my junk we're talking about.

[QUOTE=speedyquad;136676866]wait....what...those are fake? i thought hers and mommies were the only real things on the show...or not...



From a medical standpoint, I did like the before/after episode where Rich had his smiths freshen up the wife's front guns. It only took 22 minutes and cost less than 10 grand.

Used some sort of scandium injection so they would not be too heavy to carry.

The tension between the two competing guns-smiths was fantastic. One wanted the big dots installed and the other wanted the standard dots. Nice twist on the ol' "is 9mm big enough or should I go with a .45 size."

I did not like the compromise of a 9mm "dot" on the left gun and a 45 "dot" on the right. In the dark this could cause some muscle mammary confusion resulting in a premature accidental discharge.

And which custom leather maker will have a mold for a multi-size over the shoulder holster? I'm sure there will be a forum member to step up and say "I can make that (if you send me the guns)"

Lad

The joint venture is just another way to squeeze every last dime out if the gun buying public. Anyone who has the money and wants to squander it away on a gun that was basically available prior to this anyway (minus their Logo) is free to do so.

Heck, if I could sell bullets made by Winchester with a Chess Night engraved on it (no insult intended here Paladin) for $20 bucks each and people were actually willing to buy them..............why not?!

America is still a Capitalist Nation............. (I think).

Chief38

My suspicion is that they are not very common. However, I don't want even one. Mas Ayoob was the one who brought it to my attention - hold the hammer back on a cocked and locked auto and forward on a revolver or a DA auto.The edge of the holster would be strong enough. Without a holster, maybe stuff in your pocket. In fact, I regularly insert a 642 or 342 into a Don Hume slide in my pocket. I prefer to insert the pistol into the holster outside of my pocket, and the slip the whole thing into my pocket, but it can be done either way. The finger goes part of the way into the holster behind the trigger, and is removed only when it has to be. By that time, the trigger is well past the edge of the holster. Of course, a Bodyguard or a bobbed Chief is easier. Yes, it is serious. Where I live and have lived, it seems that the odds are that I will never need a gun. I'd hate to have worse odds against shooting myself, so I do practically everything I can to avoid it.

I saw the show, the thing that I took away was the original concept of a bobbed hammer and a trigger job on a J-frame.

Wow, all new for 2012...

Why didnt one of you guys think of that?

Well here's my 2 cents, and I got my "big boy" panties on so I'm ready for a beat down here.


I like the show (some of it). I know it maybe scripted, that may not be his helicopter, and those could be fake ta-tas. I think they have some cool guns on there from time to time. I do tend to learn something I didn't know about guns from time to time. I think Kurt does have good engraving skills, but says he wants to go to Italy to learn from master engravers (take it for what it's worth). I will say his prices are stupid high on most of what you see on tv.


I about crapped my pants when Rich told a customer that a Mossburg rifle and a Governor with trigger jobs would be $7000.

Or when a guy brought in is granddads old shotgun and wanted to turn it in to a home defence shotgun I think that went for about $2000. Why not just buy a HD shotgun from walmart for about $200 insted of chopping up granddads gun?