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I noticed Rich Wyatt of Gunsmoke show has contracted with S&W for a hybrid S&W 38 special. Anyone know the stats on this gun that can be ordered now? No price yet...

Or do I have to wait till next weeks show to see it???
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Apparently, like the Prius, it can use either regular smokeless powder or batteries and uses the recoil energy to recharge the batteries.
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if he has anything to do with the price, the regular .38, according to the show will be around $500, with the deep cover pkg, the price will be a round $2500. It would be a very good deal for 20 minutes worth of work.

I'm sure there will also be the Kurt Wyatt engraved Deep Cover version that will be available. Prices start at $7600 for it and go up depending on the complexity of the engraving.

In all seriousness though, i was wondering to find what exact model they used. My wife liked the looks of the stock model the lady shot first, not the cheesy pink gripped model the daughter had. I was thinking it was the 637. we are still trying to find her a carry gun.
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I'm still trying to figure out why bob the hammer on a 637 and not just use a 638 or 442.
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According to the show, it takes him 20 minutes to do. Bobbes hammer, smooth and round trigger face, files sear and rebound, installs hip grips. I'm sure there will be a Gunsmoke logo. According to the show this 20 minutes adds $260 to the price. Quoted a lady a $500 gun plus $260 for the package for a total of $760 on the show.
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it won't be the same price as quoted the lady on the show as S&W upgraded it to a performance center model. possibly in the $1000 range.
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I think it's cool that the Wyatt's are experiencing success and along with the many other gun shows on TV, it is helping to promote the shooting sports, industry and the 2nd Ammendment. It has also helped attract more women as more and more are refusing to be a victim and now getting CCW permits. Personally, I wouldn't want a bobbed hammer revolver, nor would my wife. A shrouded or concealed hammer is a much better option, as it is more conducive to pocket carry and less apt to get something fouled in the hammer. My 2 cents.
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That fantasy show does more harm than good in getting people who don't know any better to think that's the way a gun biz, and gunbuyers, work.

A created show with situations created entirely for the camera.
It's an embarrassment.
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I saw the show, and they charged the buyer $760 for the "prototype", $260 more than they get for the standard model.
This for 20 minutes of work?
That seems out of line, and works out to over $10/minute of his time. Is he that good ?
I won't be buying one.
In this economy, I'm surprised he gets away with charging the prices he does on the custom made guns he makes.
There certainly seems to be a lot of profit in each sale.
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I'm surprised the guy can stay in business with the prices he charges!
And he didn't even remove the lock either! Dale
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As the S&W Marketing guys stated, SW does PC work and custom trigger work. It was also stated that the gun was a "Prototype" as Florida Guy stated

I do not see what the Wyatt version has over standard stock SW guns, I find it hard to believe they (SW) would actually produce the gun. I can do a trigger job on a SW probably as good as his (not as fast) but I would not bob a hammer (why?) there are shrouded and concealed versions.
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I really don't want someone trying to play beat the clock while he is customizing my carry gun. I would rather have someone take their time and do it right than do it fast just because he can. I think I'll stick with slicking up a Smith revolver Jerry Miculek style. I have done several of my own guns that way and I take my time and have never had any problems.
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I gave up on all of those "reality" shows when I figured out that it was all scripted. All the drama is manufactured.

The only one that I will watch from time to time is "Dirty Jobs" because I like to say, "God, my job sucks but I'm glad that I don't have to do that!"

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I wonder if the overcharging is part of the plan to keep viewers from going to their local 'smith and yelling, "On TV they only charged $50 for that conversion and you have the audacity to charge $60." No one ever complains about being undercharged.

I misspoke above, I also watch "Holmes on Homes" and have picked up some good tips about home repairs.
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The "transactions" and prices you see on the show are fabrications & don't happen.
They're as real as Wyatt using a helicopter to fly out with bags of cash to do high-dollar buys.
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Bobbed Hammer, smoothed trigger, "action job",and Hip Grips ??? Boy their really doing something different there at Gunsmoke

That was a joke!
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The "transactions" and prices you see on the show are fabrications & don't happen.
They're as real as Wyatt using a helicopter to fly out with bags of cash to do high-dollar buys.
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I agree was out at there shop last fall was not impressed
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I'm still trying to figure out why bob the hammer on a 637 and not just use a 638 or 442.
It's simple, they don't have a clue! Would you want those "gunsmiths" working on your gun?
Is it good for TV viewers to see a mount that a motorcycle rider could use to mount a lever action rifle and shoot while riding. What a joke.
In the last episode, they made a Colt Buntline that was supposed to be period correct with a brass grip frame. I'm not a Colt guy but I don't ever recall seeing a 1st generation SAA with a brass grip frame. Oh well - It's just a show and I watch it.
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I guess some people do watch the show! I tried watching a few episodes the first season. I guess the old adage is true.....sex sells! I also don't know anyone who flies around in a private helicopter to trade firearms. And there is always a problem among the employees. Did I say I don't like the show!
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I personally think young Wyatt has to get some more time engraving under his belt before he can get those high prices. One show gets me when he engraves TEN Browing shotguns in three days with out any sleep.
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Okay, I admit that I watch mainly to see the daughter. I mean, Rich can't even pronounce "Schofield" right!
As for his gunsmiths and the time they take to do an action job, they aren't getting anywhere near my guns!

The prices are absurd, as is the drama. But they aren't as redneck as the other show out of LA, with all the auto weapons.

And I do like the positive image they present of guns and their family closeness. The kids seem to be trying hard to learn the business. But how well can Kurt really engrave, and does he just do laser engraving? How well would his work stack up against that of known masters like the late Lynton Mackenzie or Ed. C. Prudhomme or John Warren?

It's entertainment, pure and simple. I also don't take Bear Grylls too seriously. I think he'd do better to teach real survival skills.
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Their family closeness....
Kids are from the wife's first marriage & grew up with their father in another state.
Their last name isn't Wyatt.
Most of the show is fabricated.
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I saw it. A 637 with a bobbed hammer and a trigger job. They spent more on the vases and such that the lady blasted.

Golly Wally! Gee Beav! blah blah blah.

Nobody ever went broke underestimated the stupidity of the American people.
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That fantasy show does more harm than good in getting people who don't know any better to think that's the way a gun biz, and gunbuyers, work.

A created show with situations created entirely for the camera.
It's an embarrassment.
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Wait a minute! Last time I haggled over a gun I dramatically slapped down a couple silver bars.

Did I do wrong?
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I was underwhelmed...............
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You have to give Rich credit, he and his family are earning a living in this terrible economy.

Why I used to and still do love Sanford and Sons, Laugh-In,

and I even watch THE FASHION POLICE with Joan Rivers,

now that takes some doing, but they earn a living.
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I think I saw that show once.... Once (I liked that movie)

They put a gun (or guns) on the front of a car so that the driver could shoot like James Bond. Probably to help get rid of armadillos was all I could think of.

Yep - More ammo for the anti folks.
But what would one expect from the nice people that actually determine what we're gonna see on TV?
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All this talk of Gunsmoke induced me to look up the first season of "Gunsmoke" and watch it. 1955. Amanda Blake was 25 years old and a real cutie pie. She was only 45 when the show ended but she seemed much older or maybe it was I was much younger. I'll have to watch the 1975 episodes and she how she looks to me now.

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Their family closeness....
Kids are from the wife's first marriage & grew up with their father in another state.
Their last name isn't Wyatt.
Most of the show is fabricated.
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As is American Pickers. Junkers contact the show, producers send runners out to audition them and make the buys, the "Stars" come in (driving a $40,000 Benz Sprinter) and find their treasures.

Producers pay the regulars on Storage Wars and "seed" the units. (Really - the Yuuup-Mobile? Really?!)

And does anyone really buy the fact that Rick Harrison happens to know everything about everything?

Look closely at the credits of all these shows. They're not "Reality Shows" they are "Reality BASED Shows" and as fake as Paige Wyatt's mammaries.
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as fake as Paige Wyatt's mammaries.

wait....what...those are fake? i thought hers and mommies were the only real things on the show...or not...

i will say for the son having only been engraving for 3 years(if you can believe the dad), he has talent.
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I guess every one likes reality shows???? If that is what they are called Notice that if one is popular there seems to be four more just like it appearing the nexst season...I like pawn stars but do I believe that every script is spontanious Of course not! Look at the spin off shows just from Pawn Stares...Restoration, and now the Count.....We are proving that we will buy into everything that some producer sends our way.....Some are intertaining.....Red Jacket is a good example of what started as a good show and turned into a soap opera, staring Will's daughter and her less than bright boyfriend..( I guess that isn't fair) Lets put it this way, least talented gunsmith.....The real gunsmith left the show....Last time I saw it .......That show that showed the sic general in the blacked out limo did it for me......Give me a break are we all dummies.....I can be dumb enough on my own, I don't need help from Will.......Semper Fi Will, and lets leave it at that!
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And does anyone really buy the fact that Rick Harrison happens to know everything about everything?

He is regular walking, talking encyclopedia!!

I think he may smoke a lot. That sick laugh of his doesn't sound good. Just guessing though.
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This place is the personification of the phrase "A fool and his money are soon parted". The locals that know anything about firearms give it a wide berth.
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That fantasy show does more harm than good in getting people who don't know any better to think that's the way a gun biz, and gunbuyers, work.

A created show with situations created entirely for the camera.
It's an embarrassment.
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This post is definitely worth repeating!

My wife knows how much I like guns and related topics, so she was very excited to tell me about this show she had found for me to watch. I watched a couple of episodes, and was completely disgusted...not only with the ridiculous ripoff prices and services, but the way that the daughter (or stepdaughter, whichever) parades around in skimpy attire.

There are some (few) interesting moments when the gunsmiths are actually fabricating something...but those are very few. Otherwise, this show is truly a disservice to the shooting sports, and I am embarrassed that S&W participated in it.
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I just watched it for the first time. Too much of Rich and his over-excited squeaky voice and not enough about guns.

The daughter should dress more professionally in the shop but that's what the producers probably tell her to wear. Cleavage sells. She's a bit on the skinny side but I wouldn't be embarrassed to be seen with her in public but she might not want to be seen with me.
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I was offered a chance to schedule an interview with them at SHOT this year.
I declined. Don't particularly want my name associated with theirs, professionally or otherwise.
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Well an old rule of advertising, folks do not have to like it just so there is name or product awareness.

Most folks here seem to not like the show, but there is OVER 4,100 views, so people do know the name and his show and name are a household name now.

Love them or hate them, he is the guy with the private Helicopter(and a lot of guns and money).
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That is not his helicopter....
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Paige Wyatt has the neck of a giraffe.
Did her dad put wrings around her neck to stretch it our like some natives do?

Fake bosom. She's a fem bot. LOL.
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Personally, I wouldn't want a bobbed hammer revolver, nor would my wife. A shrouded or concealed hammer is a much better option, as it is more conducive to pocket carry and less apt to get something fouled in the hammer. My 2 cents.
On the other hand, with a bobbed hammer, it is much easier to avoid a ND when holstering the gun, simply by holding the hammer down. With a concealed hammer, you have to get your finger behind the trigger. I don't think that a bobbed hammer is more likely to get fouled than a shrouded hammer. Know anybody who has had a problem with either one?
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I've heard it said that there is no such thing as a sure thing, now I know better.

If there's a thread about "American Guns" it always end
up at the same place, usually with the same result.
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The real question is, did I log on after all these month's because I missed everyone, or I knew there would be a thread about this show and the Performance Center snubbie?

Heres a hint- group hug
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Heres a hint- group hug

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I found it amusing that captains of industry would base their decision to make the gun on whether Wyatt could do his modifications in 20 minutes. Yeah, sure.

In reality, the VP and Business Manager looked at sales projections and unit costs and other bean counter stuff before making their decision.How Wyatt's 20 minute mod shot would really be irrelevant since S&W would not be using Wyatt to build the guns.
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That is not his helicopter....
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Oh, OK he is still rich and on TV
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I've heard it said that there is no such thing as a sure thing, now I know better.

If there's a thread about "American Guns" it always end
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Are you saying you have your finger on the RED button??
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Are you saying you have your finger on the RED button??
Absolutely not!

The button is ORANGE.....
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