Grips vs. Stocks Debate....the solution

[UncleEd]

Read again a versus versus versus debate on a gun forum as to whether handguns have grips or stocks. It seems both terms might be right.

But I suggest a neutral designation which all right thinking people can get support: Handle Panels

[Onomea]

My suggestion years ago, when I first became aware of the (ridiculous) debate: "Squeezos."

(And I enjoy pointing out to Colt "stocks" purists that RL Wilson, in his classic The Book of Colt Firearms, uses "grips." Then again, he did wind up in the slammer for a while, so perhaps he should have been more careful in his writing...)

[soFlaNative]

I'll stick what works for me... long gun stocks, handgun grips.
I can also go with the prevailing winds here since a certain forum
owner and dealer uses the word "grips" in his description of same.

[snowman]

Might add somewhat to the 'cumbersome' factor, as in possible classified ads here; e.g.:

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WTS: N-frame round butt combat Goncalo Alves handle panels.
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Oh well, I guess the present alternatives would be just about as bad.


Andy

[shouldazagged]

It's really very simple: "grocks". Or "stips", but I prefer "grocks".

[Lee's Landing Billy]

Grips when I buy them, stocks when I sell them.

[crazyphil]

Col. Cooper had it right. Grip is the way you hang on to your gun.
Stock is what you hang on to.
I have given up and answer to either.

[Watchdog]

Purists and traditionalists, of which there are many, say "stocks".

Ordinary guys like me usually say "grips", even though it often causes some raised eyebrows and sidelong glances when among purists.

I've noticed when some gun owners, purists or otherwise, are talking about 1911s or Browning HPs, they'll say "grip panels".

When referring to a certain type of grips/stocks/whatever, you'll sometimes hear "ivories", i.e. "Got you some nice ivories on there, don't you?" Ditto for "targets", "magnas", etc.

I actually have heard and seen people referring to them as "handles". That makes my skin crawl. Please don't stand close to me if you do that.

Six of one, half-dozen of the other. Whatever term is used, everyone knows what's being talked about.

[S42N8]

While "grocks" are a good combination (portmanteau) the term has a rather close cousin from the '60s. So, if you use the term in select company (think Sheldon Cooper) expect some variation on Star Trek.
LLAP (Live Long and Plagarize).

[Tom K]

Originally Posted by S42N8

While "grocks" are a good combination (portmanteau) the term has a rather close cousin from the '60s. So, if you use the term in select company (think Sheldon Cooper) expect some variation on Star Trek.
LLAP (Live Long and Plagarize).

I don't think Heinlein ever wrote for Star Trek.

[kwselke]

I have a rifle and a shotgun that have pistol grip stocks.

Sent from my LGL44VL

[Muss Muggins]

With regard to handguns, stocks are wood, grips are other materials. With regard to long guns, it's a stock, which may have a pistol grip, both may be of any material. You call 'em what you want, I won't go to typing in your thread with all capital letters. There's a lid for every pot . . .

[Onomea]

Well, of course, stocks or grips, you're gonna have "ivories" or "stags." MOP, "Pearl," too, regardless. Just identifying the material. (Hmm. Never heard "Walnuts," come to think of it.... "Jigged bone," sure.)

"Goodyears," too, for rubber.

Re "handles," I forget which one, but in one of Walter Roper's books, he refers to grips/stocks, or maybe the entire grip frame, as "handles."

I got a kick out of that!

(I guess what I think is I don't like people putting other people down due to a supposed lack of familiarity with correct nomenclature. Reminds me of a junior high school girls' clique or something.)

"Pistols" vs "semi autos" vs "revolvers" anyone?

[deadin]

I thought it was decided that they were "sticky down things"

[PR24]

Who cares?

[nocents]

I didn't know there was such a debate....but it is about as inane as the mag versus clip debate

[Texas Star]

I guess we'd better say grips. Otherwise, eavesdroppers who hear only part of what you and another guy are discussing over lunch in a restaurant may think that you're talking about investments, or that you've seen the new Fifty Shades film and that Christian Grey and Anastasia Steele had pillories in the red room.


I guess that's my new "stock" answer. I think I've been up too late tonight...

[UncleEd]

Originally Posted by PR24

Who cares?

Well, that's a stock quip to a gripping issue.

But it is an issue with many shades of gray (Grey) as Texas Star has pointed out.

[retiredbadge8091]

If you're talking about a vintage S&W revolver, stocks. If you're talking about a vintage Ruger Mark I, grips. I'm comfortable with someone using either, but try to use stocks around here in deference to those I'm trying to learn from.

[vonn]

Don't worry,be happy! Don't sweat the small stuff! If that is all you have to worry about you are doing well.

[steamloco76]

I thought grips worked on a movie set and stocks were something traded on Wall Street

[Eagle 477]

I think my Wife has it correct " Hand Thingies"

[johngalt]

I don't think I've ever seen any 'rubber stocks'.

[tops]

Originally Posted by steamloco76

I thought grips worked on a movie set and stocks were something traded on Wall Street

"Stock" is hogs and cows. Larry

[OLDSTER]

Rubber= "grips"

Wood= "stocks"

[long colt frazier]

I really don't care.
Mark

[Mickey D]

Who gives a flying grip?

[SmithNut]

Even the S&W factory seems confused... I fixed the brochure for them below.....

[steamloco76]

Originally Posted by tops

"Stock" is hogs and cows. Larry

Or the base of a good homemade soup!

[kwselke]

Would simulated wood grips actually be simulated stocks?

[steamloco76]

Originally Posted by johngalt

I don't think I've ever seen any 'rubber stocks'.

No, but most pharmacies stock rubbers.

[sceva]

Steve Herrett called them stocks. That's good enough for me

[UncleEd]

Some have referenced "stocks" to pertain to long guns, i.e. rifles.

Sorry, I see them as "barrel staves."

[crazyphil]

Originally Posted by sceva

Steve Herrett called them stocks. That's good enough for me

Herrett's do call them stocks. Jeff Cooper called them stocks.
Skeeter Skelton called them stocks. But probably more call
them grips.

I looked in one of the basic NRA books and they call both the
revolver and semi-auto grip-panels.

The important thing is if the other guy understands what I'm
talking about, and that I know what He is talking about.

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Originally Posted by soFlaNative

I'll stick what works for me... long gun stocks, handgun grips.

If long guns only have stocks, then is an AR consider a pistol stock rifle?

Man... I should have never opened this thread.

[S42N8]

Originally Posted by Tom K

I don't think Heinlein ever wrote for Star Trek.

Fair point; Roddenberry asked, but Heinlein declined. I rather doubt most folks would recognize Stranger in a Strange Land, but grokking Spock might make the cut. Personally, I preferred The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.

[Laketime]

Smith & Wesson is the only one who refers to them as stocks.Since 1982 when I got into this brand,every major gun shop in new England had referred to them as target grips.This include Kittery Trading post and Lew Horton's in Framingham Ma. In fact I had the pleasure of meeting the man who made the wood for the factory since 1952.Long story short his exact words to me was that he had bags of Coke bottle grips still in his possession for sale.This was 1996,and I kick myself for not buying a bag of them. I now refer to them as stocks because of this forum.

[usm1rifle]

Originally Posted by shouldazagged

It's really very simple: "grocks". Or "stips", but I prefer "grocks".

Sounds like that Texas protest "Grocks not Glocks".

[les.b]

Are revolvers pistols?

Sorry, I couldn't help myself. Another semantic quagmire.

Best Regards, Les

[Tyrod]

I prefer to borrow a term from the knife community and call them scales. How anal retentive does one have to be that one and only one term must be used to describe an item. In American colloquial english we often have many nouns to describe a single thing. As long as everyone understands what thing we're talking about, who gives a ****. Why does it matter if someone wants to feel superior for their use of what they believe is the correct noun?

BTW, I have a blind clip in my revolver. Now, does anyone not understand what I'm referring to?

[wuluf]

Only Anacondas, Pythons and Cobras have scales..

[DWalt]

"Smith & Wesson is the only one who refers to them as stocks."

Really? Go to the S&W factory website and see what S&W calls those things they have for sale. Hint- it's not "Stocks." Personally, I usually call target grips stocks and everything else grips.

[susieqz]

this matters only to people who don't like me calling my revolving pistols, pistols.
you can make all the rules of nomenclature you want for the gun elite.
but, 99%of the public believe stocks are on rifles n grips on handguns.
we are a very small part of the population but we persist in coming up with ''in'' language to show we are special.

[Laketime]

Originally Posted by DWalt

"Smith & Wesson is the only one who refers to them as stocks."

Really? Go to the S&W factory website and see what S&W calls those things they have for sale. Hint- it's not "Stocks." Personally, I usually call target grips stocks and everything else grips.

Talking about their in house made target stocks ,not outsourced grips who's manufacturer refer to them by the correct name.

[Onomea]

Originally Posted by les.b

Are revolvers pistols?

Sorry, I couldn't help myself. Another semantic quagmire.

Best Regards, Les

Not a quagmire for Samuel Colt in his 1836 patent application. He knew what it was

"Divison 1 of the drawings represents a pistol." Patent USX9430 - Improvement in fire-arms - Google Patents

[susieqz]

oh, pooh. someone posted an ad colt ran for their new gun. he called it s revolving pistol.
go check how old the word pistol is.

[kwselke]

A pistol stock:



This is quite diferrent than a stock pistol.

[DWalt]

Originally Posted by Onomea

Not a quagmire for Samuel Colt in his 1836 patent application. He knew what it was

"Divison 1 of the drawings represents a pistol." Patent USX9430 - Improvement in fire-arms - Google Patents

Early Colt advertising always referred to their revolvers as "Pistols." As Sam Colt is usually credited as being the inventor of the revolving pistol (even though he wasn't) I'd think his use of "Pistol" instead of "Revolver" should be authoritative enough for anyone. But as Sam Colt was largely illiterate, maybe his choice of words shouldn't be cited.

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

Originally Posted by nocents

I didn't know there was such a debate....but it is about as inane as the mag versus clip debate

Nope. Worse. I was tempted for about 1.5 seconds to post a poll on which was worse, but regained my sanity and decided it wasn't worth the effort. So I do accept your claim that it is about as inane as mag versus clip.

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

Originally Posted by wuluf

Only Anacondas, Pythons and Cobras have scales..

Diamondbacks have scales.