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Old 11-23-2012, 10:26 PM
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I just received my first set CTC laser grips so I'm not sure what to expect.

Can someone tell me if the image below depicts the typical fit and finish of their laser grips?



I'm not at all impressed with the gap around the button area. I was expecting a tighter fit.

Am I being too critical?
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Old 11-23-2012, 11:14 PM
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I have used them in the past and have had some where the fit was so good, it looked completely integrated and molded into the grip.
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Old 11-24-2012, 02:57 AM
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Okay, you made me look at 2 of my J frames that have the CT LG405 grips (I like to use the LG405s on my airweights). The fit on the grips on my Model 38-0 (no dash), as well as on my Model 642-1 look many times better than the set you have. I took some photos of the grips on my revolvers for your review. Personally, I'd contact Customer Service at Crimson Trace and ask them for help.

By the way, the first 2 photos below are of my Model 38-0, the remaining 3 photos are of my Model 642-1.

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No, that is not right. Send them back.
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Old 11-24-2012, 03:18 PM
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Thanks for the feedback fellows.

I was expecting a better fit for something that costs $250ish.

I sent them an email. Hopefully, this is not the current standard and they will replace them.

Thanks again.

Cheers,

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jeffshead, I spent a few years working in Buick's plastic plant and the
"scalloped" look that you are seeing above the switch area we called
"flash" and, per our parameters, always had to be trimmed off.

There were a few reasons this happened, first was that the high,
or low, injection pressure on the machine wasn't set properly.

The other, most common, cause was when a press went down for a few minutes,
or longer. While the process was sitting idle the plastic would heat up in the
system and, as a result, would become thinner (melted more than the norm)
so it flowed better and could work itself out around the edges of the die.

With that said, some dies were better than others and, in some cases, the
parts always had some flash when they came out of the press, which we had to
trim off. I can't speak to CT's process, maybe that's an acceptable amount
of flash, or maybe the person who was responsible for checking the parts
after they came out of the press simply didn't trim it off, or missed it entirely.

With that said, based on your close-up photo, my guess is that your part came out
of a press that had been down a little while and this was one of the first parts that
came out that looked like they were getting things back in sync. In addition to the
plastic heating up too much, the surfaces of the die are also cooler (after sitting idle)
than when a press is "pumpin' 'em out." So, what you end up with is plastic that
wants to flow "too much" and a cooler die surface that slows it down "too much."

I'm sure that your grips are serviceable, but, if it were
me, I'd send them back and see what they said about it.
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Old 11-26-2012, 02:06 PM
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jeffshead, I spent a few years working in Buick's plastic plant and the
"scalloped" look that you are seeing above the switch area we called
"flash" and, per our parameters, always had to be trimmed off.
Thanks for all of the info.

I'm not too concerned about the trimmable bits. My concern is the gap that will undoubtedly collect crude.
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Thanks for all of the info.

I'm not too concerned about the trimmable bits. My concern is the gap that will undoubtedly collect crude.
Jeff, that gap is more than likely due to the cool die issue I mentioned in my
previous post, which prevents the plastic from flowing properly. If you look
inward on the grip panel in that area you will also see that the part is dished in some.

There could be other reasons for this, like injection pressures, but whatever caused it the
part wasn't formed the way it should be and is why I would look into sending them back.

My concern on the flash, or scallops, is what would the part look-like, gap wise,
if they were trimmed off. After all they should'nt be there in the first place and it's
probably only a matter of time before they either break off, or get bent outwards,
which will only speed up the time it takes before they do break off........
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Ogy, I understand.

Here's another pic which shows how the switch area is concave and how the mating surface of the grip is flat:


I contacted CT but I'm not thrilled with the answer I received. Basically, they will replace the item but if the replacement comes with the same gap, there's nothing they can do about it. Not at all what I expected to hear from a respected, well-known company.

Hopefully, the right people will get notified and resolve the issue.

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OK guys. I got the replacement.


CTC said the gap is normal on this grip. A Customer Service Supervisor said he has the same gap on his personal gun. He offered to exchange the LG-405 for a LG-305 but could not guarantee that it would be any better.

I think CTC's Customer Service has been friendly and easy to deal with. However, I must say I am disappointed with CTC, overall, because they think this is an acceptable $250 piece of plastic. I don't feel I got what I paid for.

They really need to set their customer's expectations by including 360 degree images of all of their grips on their website so buyers know what to expect.

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