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Old 02-02-2013, 04:19 PM
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I just don't understand why no one has any 22 ammo? I never seen this coming or I would have stocked up. I know that the AR's are taking a hit and 223 shells are as well, but why 22? I know the school shooting set things off but a 22 wasn't even involved so why did everyone buy them up?
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When panick buying sets in,it covers the entire spectrum. Everybody has a .22. If you go lookin' for 9mm (or whatever) and there ain't any,just pick up some .22 LR while you're at it. That has happened a LOT lately.
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Old 02-02-2013, 04:32 PM
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There's a country store near me and the guy has lots of ammo. He still has plenty of 357 and 38's but no 22. I guess since they are cheap, they were the first to go. I am also surprised that the wholesalers don't have any.....
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.22 are a LOT cheaper to shoot. When centerfire ammo become scarce or expensive a lot of folks shoot more rimfire. I know because that's the way I roll. A year ago I had 5500 rounds of 22. Right now I have about 400.
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When people buy BRICKS instead of Boxes, and CASES instead of BRICKS, the supply chain can't handle it.
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When center fire ammo went up the last couple years I started shooting my 22 revolvers, pistols and rifles more than anything. I got the bright idea of building a dedicated 22lr AR last year for the same reason as 5.56mm was getting out of hand too.
Fortunately I stocked up on 22lr then and have a fair supply of it if this shortage doesn't last too long. I was buying in bulk when on sale last year and am glad for it now. Had I known I'd have bought even more.
I agree too most everyone has a 22 and the ammo is cheap which is why it got bought up. I wonder too though why shot shells still seem to be in decent supply as shotguns are popular too.
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Just me but i been buying .22LR ever since B.O. took
office "the first time". Never know when he might try and
pass some stupid laws against ammo or tax it to where
you can no longer afford it.
My practise of buying a little each payday had paid off for me.
It will not stand up against armed helicopters and the such.
But i will have a supply to hunt and target shoot with regardless
of what the current administration decides to do.
And rest assured when it is available again it won't be any cheaper.

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22 supplies before the Nov Elections were maybe 1/10 of what they were pre 2008 locally. It has been easy to foresee this one.
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Most people don't go out and blow away 300 rounds of shotshells in an afternoon (unless they are heavy-duty clay bird shooters). Lots of people shoot up a brick of .22 LR in an afternoon. Thus, shotshells are far more available on shelves than .22 LR. Plus, if survival fears exist (as I feel is the current belief), one can carry, hide, etc. far more .22 RF ammo than 12 Gauge shotshells, .38 Special, etc. So people instinctively want more of it. And the .22 LR is not nearly as puny and inadequate a defense/survival caliber as many seem to believe it is.

In a true EOTWAWKI situation, I would rather have a good .22 handgun, a .22 rifle, and 10K rounds of .22 ammunition squirreled away than any other survival armament arsenal. And I think that is the reason for the current .22 ammo shortage.

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Around here all of the missing ammo is:

-22LR
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However, .38 special is $5 more per box of 50 than .45 ACP is...
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Here in Houston 22LR is still available at Walmarts. You just have to be lucky to find it. I usually find some about 1 out of 10 trys.
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Cuz, even a .22 is just a club without ammo!
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.22lr is short because S&WIowegan hoarded all of it and won't let anyone else have any.
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Had alot of it at a gun show today....
Asking price was .18 cents a round and some sold.
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.22lr is short because S&WIowegan hoarded all of it and won't let anyone else have any.

Is this true Bob? Oooooh,you're SO bad!
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around here in the foothills of NC, there is virtually no pistol ammo, and 22lr is unheard of. The only place I've seen it is on armslist and they are asking anywhere from 60 to 100 bucks for a 525 bulkpack. I have seen a few boxes of 9 and 40 hydrashoks, but thats about it. I did find 2 boxes of 40 blazers at a pawnshop for 20 each. But thats all they had.
I think the biggest reason for the 22 shortage is that people that aren't working during the day are stalking all the sporting goods stores and buying it all up when it comes in so they can sell it online for double or triple. What do you guys think?
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I just don't understand why no one has any 22 ammo?
You would be mistaken . . . I have plenty.
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I never bought much .22 LR ammo at Walmart, as several gun shops and the net beat their prices. In 2010 I noticed the supply of .22 starting to dry-up and began purchasing several bricks of my favorite rounds-Federal 510 and CCI Standard whenever I found it on sale. So glad I did, as any .22 ammo is unobtainable right now in W. PA.

The other caliber you can't get- .30-30 Win. Guys are trading-in many .30-30 rifles for .270's, 7MM's and other calibers because there is no ammo for the venerable lever guns.
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If my friend didn't buy 48,000 rounds a few years back, I wouldn't have mine...
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Old 05-04-2013, 11:14 AM
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Other countries make .22 LR ammunition too. If I was an importer I would be buying from other countries and bringing it in. I remember buying .22 LR ammunition that was imported from South Africa, and it was good. The entire world can't be in a feeding frenzy.
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I never bought much .22 LR ammo at Walmart, as several gun shops and the net beat their prices. In 2010 I noticed the supply of .22 starting to dry-up and began purchasing several bricks of my favorite rounds-Federal 510 and CCI Standard whenever I found it on sale. So glad I did, as any .22 ammo is unobtainable right now in W. PA.

The other caliber you can't get- .30-30 Win. Guys are trading-in many .30-30 rifles for .270's, 7MM's and other calibers because there is no ammo for the venerable lever guns.
That has been the shocker for me. There isn't a box of 30-30 ammo for sale on the planet it seems. 30-30 went out of vogue here years ago. For 20 years now, you were laughed at if you showed up with a rifle that didn't have "magnum" stamped on the barrel.
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Every since the so called '94 Assault Weapons Ban I've had concernes that the anti's would eventually, somehow, restrict the availabilty or affordability of ammo. I wouldn't call myself a hoarder, but I did start buying extra ammo for every gun I own so I'd have a small stash should "that day" ever come.

So about 20 years ago I worked up a list of calibers and ammo type that I wanted to stock up on and explained to my wife that every time she went shopping at a place that sold ammo she was to buy one box of "something" that was on the list. A box of 150 grain .30-30 on one trip, a box of 3 inch .410 #7 shot on another, and a box of 230 grain .45 ACP FMJ on the next. If it's on sale, get two boxes of 12 guage.

She did that faithfully until recently when I told her to hold off. I'm not sure that "the day" of ammo restrictions is actually here, but I'm certainly well prepared for this little shortage that we're experiancing.
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Gentlemen,

I had the opportunity a few weeks ago to stop into a local big box store that sells ammo. I did ask if they had any .22 ammo etc., and the clerk says that they got a truck in, it will take about 3 hours to unload and they will know at that time what they have.

While this was occurring, three men who looked rather disheveled, almost like they just briefly left their videogame system which they had been playing for three days straight without showering..., proceeded to tell the clerk:

"No, problem. We'll just wait here all afternoon until the truck is unloaded and the shelves are restocked."

Clerk: "It might take upwards of three hours"

Shoppers: "No, problem".
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I love reading some of these replies. These people are like "gee, I don't know why there's a shortage of ammo. Good thing I stocked up on 50,000 rounds right before the shortage happened!" Did you ever think that MAYBE, the shortage is due to so many people doing that same exact thing? Everybody hears that there is a shortage so they go out and buy all the ammo they can find. I think that the shortage is ridiculous. It's only due to the panic of people buying bulk amounts of ammo. There's no ammo because everybody keeps hoarding it all.
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There's a shortage of 22LR?
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.22LR is in short supply because lots of folks did see it coming and stocked up and now, everyone that didn't stock up buys every box they see because .22LR is in short supply. It's self fulfilling prophecy.
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I love reading some of these replies. These people are like "gee, I don't know why there's a shortage of ammo. Good thing I stocked up on 50,000 rounds right before the shortage happened!" Did you ever think that MAYBE, the shortage is due to so many people doing that same exact thing? Everybody hears that there is a shortage so they go out and buy all the ammo they can find. I think that the shortage is ridiculous. It's only due to the panic of people buying bulk amounts of ammo. There's no ammo because everybody keeps hoarding it all.
No. None of that ever crossed my mind. Most people stocked up long before the shortage so the ammo they bought was replaced by production. It was not until demand exceeded production that the shortage appeared, then it was too late. This shortage is far beyond anything that could be caused by people stocking up. This is a problem in production not meeting the increased demand.

No doubt 1 or 2 percent of the problem can be attributed to those trying to stock up DURING the shortage, but that cannot begin to account for this long of a dry spell in a nation with free markets.

No something else on a massive national level is behind the shortage of .22LR ammo bricks.
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It is hard to believe in our "free market" economy that this shortage exists. The ammo company's s/be expanding production all over the USA. Why let the money slip away, when you can bank it! I'm not a conspiracy freak, but I believe the Govt. has something to do with this shortage. Someone's keeping the lid on, and limiting production. Americans have always produced what the market will bear - do you see any shortage of TV, appliances, furniture, etc.? NONE. Either the ammo companys are stupid, or Uncle Sam has his hand in this matter. Nobody passes up free money. I've been in the business since 1970, and I remember when you could order any amount of .22, and get it delivered. 1K, 10K or 100K. Something just don't smell right. Your thoughts?
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No. None of that ever crossed my mind. Most people stocked up long before the shortage so the ammo they bought was replaced by production. It was not until demand exceeded production that the shortage appeared, then it was too late. This shortage is far beyond anything that could be caused by people stocking up. This is a problem in production not meeting the increased demand.

No doubt 1 or 2 percent of the problem can be attributed to those trying to stock up DURING the shortage, but that cannot begin to account for this long of a dry spell in a nation with free markets.

No something else on a massive national level is behind the shortage of .22LR ammo bricks.
The above is partly why im now going to concentrate on buying only 45--well that and cuz I picked up my 45 2 weeks ago.

People can now cross me off the 22 buying list and thus making it slightly easier for others to get what could have been mine.

Im still buying 9mm, so ill still remain a thorn in the hoarders side.
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The manufacturers ramped up to running full bore, new problem now,

FURTHER EXPANSION requires MORE MACHINERY, this takes time, then we need more HELP and we have to train that help.

Businesses don't just make major capital investments on spiked demand.

Otherwise we could perhaps waste capital $$$$ and end up with EXCESS CAPACITY and FUTURE LAYOFFS.


They like to be sure the demand will be sustained, before making those decisions.

Meanwhile, we keep creating more demand with NEW SHOOTERS and WE keep buying more too.

Just in time manufacturing led to things not even existing until YOU order it.

You order more machinery and chances are when it gets built it gets built on the other side of the world.


Whenever the machine gets built, it needs to be shipped, container ships travel slow.

Then we may need expanded buildings which leads to PLANS and then PLANNING DEPARTMENTS,

then GOVERNMENT PERMITS AND BUILDING INSPECTORS.


Yep, THERE ARE GREAT DEAL MORE INVOLVED,

It's not like ordering a few Dillon's, Hornady or RCBS presses you know.

You must have ALL THE COMPONENTS TOO, Cases, Powder, Primers,

Projectiles or your AMMUNITION MANUFACTURING FACILITY WILL FALL SHORT.


ALL OF US have a piece of the issues somewhere.
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This ain't your daddy's Marlin 60 and 10-22 rimfire world.

The rimfire world has exploded the last few years with an endless list of black rifle .22s... all with 25rd mags dangling from them. Shooters blow through bricks in a single shooting session. Rimfire clones of centerfire pistols are everywhere... none of this existed a few years ago. The rimfire suppressor market is on fire.

Why is there a shortage of 22lr ammo? Have no idea....

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This ain't your daddy's Marlin 60 and 10-22 rimfire world.

The rimfire world has exploded the last few years with an endless list of black rifle .22s... all with 25rd mags dangling from them. Shooters blow through bricks in a single shooting session. Rimfire clones of centerfire pistols are everywhere... none of this existed a few years ago. The rimfire suppressor market is on fire.

Why is there a shortage of 22lr ammo? Have no idea....
I was going to blame 30 round clip magazines and guns that will empty them in 1/2 second, but you put it better.
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The Shortage around here in WI is starting to lughten up..Along with Prices...Its still High, but readily available.

My LGS has Bricks of Winchester, remington, and Federal, and is selling them around 29.99 a Brick...Compared to 49.99 6 months ago...

It is nice to have it around again..He is limiting it to 2 Bricks per customer...which keeps it around a little bit longer..

I bought a couple just in case they run REALLY short again..
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I was in a local sporting goods store last week, just looking around. The owner walked by and I asked jokingly, "Ya'll have any 22 ammo?" he said he could get me 2 boxes, of 50, so I picked them up, $6.50 each. They were Winchester 42 grain hollow point Made in AUSTRALIA, a country which is pretty much rabidly anti gun! What's going on????
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It was that shut down of the lead smelter a while ago, it was a big political hot-button thing and when it was made official everyone went out and bought up stock.
Funny story about this though, my Dad (bless his simple heart) is getting back into guns now that I'm a bit older and he wants to bond. Anywho, we went shooting together last month and he wanted to pick up some .22lr to shoot. When he asked for some at Sportsman Warehouse the guy behind the counter laughed in his face...haha poor Dad. He ignored all my warnings not to ask because there isn't any, maybe thats why it's funny to me.
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I just don't understand why no one has any 22 ammo? I never seen this coming or I would have stocked up. I know that the AR's are taking a hit and 223 shells are as well, but why 22? I know the school shooting set things off but a 22 wasn't even involved so why did everyone buy them up?
What??? How did you not see this coming? I find that a poor excuse. Every gun owner should have start stocking up on ammo during Obama's first term. Now that most gun owners waited until the last minute, we have huge surge in demand that supply cannot fulfill. Funny how Canada does not have any shortages on ammo.

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Why not buy more equipment and make more ammunition??

The production equipment for all ammunition is highly specialized and arguably the most specialized equipment is that used for .22LR.

Very few people make the equipment and it is not off-the-shelf, that is to say each user has special needs which mean the machines are really custom built all of the way.
So the lead-times to build test and install a production line are long and capital requirements are high.

Eley for example has four machines which produce all of the Tenex made, if sales exceed production capabilities, you can add some shifts but maintenance time must be allocated so total production time is restrained by the clock and calendar, good luck producing more.

Actually the manufacturer’s problems go deeper they also need specialized brass, powder, and priming materials, and they stand in line with other ammunition makers for these materials. Good luck convincing some of the suppliers to ramp up their production when the requirement for say brass rolls for .22 cases is but a small part of their production/sales.
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Here is the verbatim email response I got from CCI when I emailed them 2/13 asking them to comment on the .22LR shortage:

"We are making ~3,000,000 rounds of rimfire a day. I have people every day looking for 5,000 - 1,000,000 rounds shipped to their houses. It just doesn't go very far.





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The ammo supply here in Oklahoma is pretty much back..excepting the .22 rimfires...

You will see some .17hmr on the shelf..and just have to get lucky for .22lr, .22 short, .22 mag

I have not really gotten 'short' on rimfire ammo..but like to be able to buy fresh ammo when I want or need some. I will admit to shooting a lot less with the rimfires to preserve ammo.

As far as the .22 rimfire supply shortage..the ammo is flowing but being absorbed as quick as it hits shelves. Most stores here have 3 box limits for the 100 rd CCI..six boxes for the fifties......

Persistant...greedy...ammo needy...politicaly worried...prudent...lucky...and otherwise driven folks and spouses and cousin 'Bubba' buy it 3 at a time Tuesday morning within minutes of the Wal Mart truck dumping it off!!

The .22 ammo shortage is merely a symptom related to 'fear of government' disease.
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the last two times I have been to Sportsman Warehouse there have been bricks of 22lr on the shelf if you get there in the morning...they have most pistol ammo except 380....I hope this is an indicator of things to come....time will tell
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For years I've bought a brick just about every visit to the store... I've always said that .22 ammo would be the coin of the realm if things got bad.. I think we are nearly there.
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Here is the verbatim email response I got from CCI when I emailed them 2/13 asking them to comment on the .22LR shortage:

"We are making ~3,000,000 rounds of rimfire a day. I have people every day looking for 5,000 - 1,000,000 rounds shipped to their houses. It just doesn't go very far.
I have a friend who genuinely believes that the FedGov is ordering CCI, and other .22 manufacturers, to NOT produce enough ammo for some illuminati/black helo/tinfoil hat reason. He's absolutely certain this is true because a friend of his, who works for "the government", told him so.

I'm concerned for THAT kind of mentality a lot more than Bubba showing up at 7am every morning at Wally's buying his 3 boxes and reselling it to someone who is willing to buy it.

I've never run out of .22. I've never paid insane amounts for it. I've never bought from Bubba. And I've never spent a drop of fuel in my car to buy it.

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Here is the verbatim email response I got from CCI when I emailed them 2/13 asking them to comment on the .22LR shortage:

"We are making ~3,000,000 rounds of rimfire a day. I have people every day looking for 5,000 - 1,000,000 rounds shipped to their houses. It just doesn't go very far.


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I'd like to meet the feller looking for 1,000,000 rounds of .22 delivered to his doorstep.
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Here is the verbatim email response I got from CCI when I emailed them 2/13 asking them to comment on the .22LR shortage:

"We are making ~3,000,000 rounds of rimfire a day. I have people every day looking for 5,000 - 1,000,000 rounds shipped to their houses. It just doesn't go very far.





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It only takes 600 people to buy a case a day to buy all they make. I'm not sure the factories will ever catch up. Larry
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Wait, what, there's a shortage of 22 Rimfire?
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Well, nobody asked my opinion but I have one.
Several factors are in play.
Restrictive government issues cause folks to worry about supply and demand. So they load up with cases rather than boxes, when they find it.
Hoarding is a factor.

Not everybody reloads and reloading components are just as hard to find as loaded ammunituon.
That makes the lower cost of .22 LR and other rimfire ammunition more appealing. See supply and demand above.

Current popular lust is spray and pray attitude rather than a single well place shot counts too.
Manufactures pander to that notion by making more and faster cycling semi auto .22 rifles.
A guy and his kids can shoot up a rather large inventory of .22 LR in an afternoon without breaking a good sweat.

Result: little or no ammunition on the shelf when you visit. JMHO
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Not sure how you do it, but anyone blowing through a brick of ammo in one outing, past or present, is definitely part of the problem

Seems like a string of firecrackers would give the same effect for less cost; but maybe I'm just out of touch with my inner door gunner.
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well just got back from Sportsmans and things are back to normal...pistol ammo except for .45 gone...they did have some s&w 40 reloads that I passed on....oh well
I do think that the AR- 22 have an effect due to the amount of ammo you can blaze up quickly...I guess we just have to wait for things to even out...they have just as much right to ammo to shoot as the pistol people
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Not sure how you do it, but anyone blowing through a brick of ammo in one outing, past or present, is definitely part of the problem...
You blame people who shoot a lot for your perception of an ammo shortage? Something wrong with that picture. They're obviously getting their ammo. Why aren't you getting yours?


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