Concealed carry and the Mexican Restaurant

Old Arkansawyer · #**101** 02-18-2020, 08:40 PM

Faulkner: Good job dealing with the uninformed or under educated as to
the law in Arkansas.
Now my question. Is not our state an open carry state? If not about 200
persons who marched down Garrison Ave. in Fort Smith a few years ago
must have broken the law big time.

mod29 · #**102** 02-18-2020, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by snubbyfan

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I can't help but think that if it was me. I'd be cuffed, arrested and accused of being a drug trafficker based on appearance alone. Again.

Well, let's face it Snubby. You're sketchy lookin'!

snubbyfan · #**103** 02-18-2020, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mod29

Well, let's face it Snubby. You're sketchy lookin'!

Who me?

Jack Ryan · #**104** 02-18-2020, 11:59 PM

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

kamloops67 · #**105** 02-19-2020, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by snubbyfan

Who me?

Yep ...probably cross the road to avoid you lol

roo_ster · #**106** 02-19-2020, 04:23 PM

Both lawmen and other folks could learn a thing or two reading that OP.

Old Arkansawyer · #**107** 02-20-2020, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Arkansawyer

Faulkner: Good job dealing with the uninformed or under educated as to
the law in Arkansas.
Now my question. Is not our state an open carry state? If not about 200
persons who marched down Garrison Ave. in Fort Smith a few years ago
must have broken the law big time.

Since not receiving an answer to the Arkansas Open Carry Law,
I looked it up on several sources and since 2018 CCW and Open
Carry have been legal in Arkansas, with some exceptions such
as private business with posted signs, court houses public schools and most Federal buildings.
No permit is required for either concealed or open carry. Actually our state has had open carry on a journey since
1836, some over zealous LEO and courts have tried to
evade this and that is why 2018 was cited as the case was
settled, Taff vs State of Arkansas.
The Governor sent the state police notice in Dec.2017 that
carrying was legal.

Puller · #**108** 02-21-2020, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Arkansawyer

Since not receiving an answer to the Arkansas Open Carry Law,
I looked it up on several sources and since 2018 CCW and Open
Carry have been legal in Arkansas, with some exceptions such
as private business with posted signs, court houses public schools and most Federal buildings.
No permit is required for either concealed or open carry. Actually our state has had open carry on a journey since
1836, some over zealous LEO and courts have tried to
evade this and that is why 2018 was cited as the case was
settled, Taff vs State of Arkansas.
The Governor sent the state police notice in Dec.2017 that
carrying was legal.

Since Faulkner's original post was written in 2013, that was about 5 years before open carry was solidified in your state.

delcrossv · #**109** 02-21-2020, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Arkansawyer

Since not receiving an answer to the Arkansas Open Carry Law,
I looked it up on several sources and since 2018 CCW and Open
Carry have been legal in Arkansas, with some exceptions such
as private business with posted signs, court houses public schools and most Federal buildings.
No permit is required for either concealed or open carry. Actually our state has had open carry on a journey since
1836, some over zealous LEO and courts have tried to
evade this and that is why 2018 was cited as the case was
settled, Taff vs State of Arkansas.
The Governor sent the state police notice in Dec.2017 that
carrying was legal.

Well, that should keep the riff-raff out.

ImprovedModel56Fan · #**110** 02-21-2020, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by delcrossv

Well, that should keep the riff-raff out.

With certain nationally public exceptions.

Puller · #**111** 02-21-2020, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Model520Fan

With certain nationally public exceptions.

I have relatives across the Mississippi River in central Arkansas. They say the couple in question seldom ever show up.

PHS327 · #**112** 02-21-2020, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Vegetaman

"we don't believe in guns" :

That means they don't exist, doesn't it?

PHS327 · #**113** 02-21-2020, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Muley Gil

I work security in a federal building and, of course, we have a "no weapons" policy. I'm constantly scanning folks as they enter. If I spot someone carrying a knife, I'll walk up and in a low voice, ask the person to carry it back out to their vehicle.

Haven't had anyone bring in a gun, that I'm aware of, yet. I have spotted a couple of empty holsters.

I was working another post one time and spotted what I thought was a knife. I walked up, very low key, and asked if the man was carrying a knife. It turned out to be a set of folding reading glasses in a case. I apologized and went back to my desk.

He accepted my apology, but then left and called the office and complained to one of the mangers that I had "harassed" him.

The manager asked me about it and then she rolled her eyes when I told her my side of the story. She commented that she didn't think I was the harassing type.

I retired from a Federal job that was located in a Federal Office in a private building. I was "sort of" in charge of security. I hung a sign on the glass next to the entrance that showed a gun in a circle with a line through it that said "No Firearms Allowed". Once you entered, if you turned around and looked at the other side of the sign you saw a picture of some knives with a circle around them with no line through it. In other words, knives were OK.

bjrjar · #**114** 01-16-2021, 04:48 PM

They”didn’t believe in guns”. After seeing all the TV coverage of the “peaceful protests” (riots/looting) with the police evident but apparently ordered to stand down, I think many minds got changed. I’ve been watching lines form in front of local gun stores around here still. I think to myself or mention to my wife that a lot of these people are probably those that have always said with their nose in the air that “I would not have a gun in my house” as if they were so much more “evolved” than whoever did. It becomes more practical when you actually see the need.

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walkin jack · #**115** 01-16-2021, 06:04 PM

I have always thought that the main two reasons I could never have survived a job in law enforcement is:
1. You routinely encounter people at their worst, when they are upset or drunk or stoned. One wrong tone or word or gesture and things can go bad. It takes a certain ability to read people and know the best course of action to ensure as good an outcome as possible with the safety of all concerned a priority. I don't believe I have that ability. In fact I know I don't.
2. You must have the patience of a saint to endure all the Ignorant, ill informed people and those that resent law enforcement on general principles. I don't measure up to that mark either.

I hope I'm not the only one that recognizes and appreciates Guy like the OP that are willing to do the job and do it right. I sleep good at night knowing that the good guys are out there and I routinely pray for their safety.

timjake · #**116** 01-16-2021, 06:33 PM

...umm, this thread started 8 years ago

walkin jack · #**117** 01-16-2021, 06:46 PM

So I see. The message, however, is timeless.

J. R. WEEMS · #**118** 01-16-2021, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Faulkner

I’m thinking all this “awareness” about gun control and concealed carry has pulled a good many uninformed people out of the woodwork. I like the new catch phrase I’ve heard about “low information voters” for those who get all their worldly information through 30 second bites from the media.

Case in point, I’m on duty last Friday night, uniformed patrol, and dispatch gives me a call to go to a disturbance at a local Mexican Restaurant. When I arrive the manager advised me that two patrons, a man and woman, were concerned because another man in the restaurant was showing his gun. The manager asked me to pleeeease try not to make a scene in his packed restaurant.

I walk over to the complainants table, a couple in their late twenties, and asked if could sit down with them. They said yes, and after taking a seat I introduced myself and said I understood they had a concern and how could I help. They told me to look over at the group of people about three tables across the room, there’s a man in a blue shirt and sometimes when he moves you can see the tip of something sticking out from under his shirt and we think it’s a gun. I look over at the table in question and observe a guy in a blue oxford shirt that was not tucked in, mid thirties, sitting at a table with a woman, also mid thirties, and two kids, both girls, about 7 or 8 years old. At first glance I would describe them as a “family unit”.

I watched close and sure enough every once in a while as he moved you could glance something protruding from under his shirt about a half inch. Maybe it could be the tip of a holster, maybe a wallet sticking out of his pocket, maybe a comb or brush . . . who knows? The shirt was loose enough that I couldn’t see a gun print. I asked the couple what makes them think it’s a gun and they said they’ve been watching a lot of news lately about all this gun stuff, and reports about all these people who are out in public carrying guns, and they thought they were supposed to report it when they see it.

I asked them, “what if he has a concealed carry permit?”

The guy replies, “Well, it’s not concealed if we can see it from way over here. Isn’t that against the law?”

“Do you folks own any guns by chance?” I asked the couple.

“Oh no, we don’t believe in guns!”

“Okay then, I’ll go check it out for you.”

I get up and ease my way over to the other table as the family is finishing up their meal. I introduced myself and asked if I could sit down for just a moment. “Sure,” the guy says, “no problem”.

I pulled up a chair and sat down and shook hands all around, and with my friendliest smile I ask the man if he has a concealed carry permit and he said he does. I ask if I could see it and his driver’s license, so he pulls them out and shows them to me. I pulled out my cell phone and called dispatch for a quick check and everything came back clean.

“What’s this all about, am I in some kind of trouble?” The guy asks when I get off the phone.

“No sir, not at all. Do me a favor, though. Pull your shirt down a little more next time you’re out. Might save us all a little grief.”

He chuckled and said, “sure, no problem. Thanks!”

I got up and apologized for intruding on their dinner.

The complainants were standing by the cash register at the door as I headed out and asked, “was it a gun?”

“I don’t know” I replied. “I’m not convinced it was a gun or not, and besides he had a valid concealed carry permit. I checked and he is not a hardened criminal.”

“You’re not going to arrest him or at least frisk him on our word?”

“I am not.”

“Humph . . . “, and they turned and walked out.

There a a lot of people who need to spend more time minding their own freakin business. Most of them are Snowflakes. I best not say any more.

sigp220.45 · #**119** 01-16-2021, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by timjake

...umm, this thread started 8 years ago

These zombie threads are killing me - first Gator Farmer returns and now The Ringo Kid!

ladder13 · #**120** 01-16-2021, 08:57 PM

Hope you don’t mind Sal

The Last Standing Knight · #**121** 01-16-2021, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Faulkner

I’m thinking all this “awareness” about gun control and concealed carry has pulled a good many uninformed people out of the woodwork. I like the new catch phrase I’ve heard about “low information voters” for those who get all their worldly information through 30 second bites from the media.

Case in point, I’m on duty last Friday night, uniformed patrol, and dispatch gives me a call to go to a disturbance at a local Mexican Restaurant. When I arrive the manager advised me that two patrons, a man and woman, were concerned because another man in the restaurant was showing his gun. The manager asked me to pleeeease try not to make a scene in his packed restaurant.

I walk over to the complainants table, a couple in their late twenties, and asked if could sit down with them. They said yes, and after taking a seat I introduced myself and said I understood they had a concern and how could I help. They told me to look over at the group of people about three tables across the room, there’s a man in a blue shirt and sometimes when he moves you can see the tip of something sticking out from under his shirt and we think it’s a gun. I look over at the table in question and observe a guy in a blue oxford shirt that was not tucked in, mid thirties, sitting at a table with a woman, also mid thirties, and two kids, both girls, about 7 or 8 years old. At first glance I would describe them as a “family unit”.

I watched close and sure enough every once in a while as he moved you could glance something protruding from under his shirt about a half inch. Maybe it could be the tip of a holster, maybe a wallet sticking out of his pocket, maybe a comb or brush . . . who knows? The shirt was loose enough that I couldn’t see a gun print. I asked the couple what makes them think it’s a gun and they said they’ve been watching a lot of news lately about all this gun stuff, and reports about all these people who are out in public carrying guns, and they thought they were supposed to report it when they see it.

I asked them, “what if he has a concealed carry permit?”

The guy replies, “Well, it’s not concealed if we can see it from way over here. Isn’t that against the law?”

“Do you folks own any guns by chance?” I asked the couple.

“Oh no, we don’t believe in guns!”

“Okay then, I’ll go check it out for you.”

I get up and ease my way over to the other table as the family is finishing up their meal. I introduced myself and asked if I could sit down for just a moment. “Sure,” the guy says, “no problem”.

I pulled up a chair and sat down and shook hands all around, and with my friendliest smile I ask the man if he has a concealed carry permit and he said he does. I ask if I could see it and his driver’s license, so he pulls them out and shows them to me. I pulled out my cell phone and called dispatch for a quick check and everything came back clean.

“What’s this all about, am I in some kind of trouble?” The guy asks when I get off the phone.

“No sir, not at all. Do me a favor, though. Pull your shirt down a little more next time you’re out. Might save us all a little grief.”

He chuckled and said, “sure, no problem. Thanks!”

I got up and apologized for intruding on their dinner.

The complainants were standing by the cash register at the door as I headed out and asked, “was it a gun?”

“I don’t know” I replied. “I’m not convinced it was a gun or not, and besides he had a valid concealed carry permit. I checked and he is not a hardened criminal.”

“You’re not going to arrest him or at least frisk him on our word?”

“I am not.”

“Humph . . . “, and they turned and walked out.

This is not surprising at all. It has happened to me in a grocery store checkout. Texas has open carry but I prefer to carry concealed. My shirt rode up and the guy behind me saw my 1911. No cops (cops in that area pretty much know me anyway) called, but he made a comment about it.

I polietly thanked him for his concern but what I have on my person is none of his business. Nothing more was said.

The Last Standing Knight · #**122** 01-16-2021, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by walkin jack

So I see. The message, however, is timeless.

AGREED! It is something to be aware of when carrying in public....open carry or not.

Hair Trigger · #**123** 01-16-2021, 09:44 PM

In NC, at least, (and other states I don't know specifically), open carry is accepted, but there is a circumstance called "going armed to the terror of the people". You have your gun in the open, in a holster, not making an issue of it yourself (no threats or brandishing, etc.), but somebody like this couple sees it and makes a complaint to the effect it scares them to see this person carrying a gun. LE has no choice but to ask the carrying person to 1- conceal the gun (assuming they are permitted for CC), or 2- remove it and take it to their car, or otherwise not carry it until out of the present circumstance. It's a sad world when sheep.....uh, some people, are so intimidated by something they have no understanding of. And those same people buy supposedly disarmed hand grenades at the flea market as a curiosity, go home and blow themselves up with it, because they were so ignorant as to not question whether it might be dangerous. (This happened this week in NC)

When I saw the title of this thread, I half thought it was going to be about a requirement to do "Mexican carry" while in a Mexican restaurant.

6518John · #**124** 01-16-2021, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sigp220.45

These zombie threads are killing me - first Gator Farmer returns and now The Ringo Kid!

This thread is so old all of Ringo’s girlfriends and pets were still alive!

Hair Trigger · #**125** 01-16-2021, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 6518John

This thread is so old all of Ringo’s girlfriends and pets were still alive!

And he wasn't Sir Ringo yet.