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Old 02-24-2013, 05:30 PM
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I've fired both and can't tell much difference. Dry firing gives a whole different feel but my M&P9 feels the same during live fire. Some people seem to hate 'em though.
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Some people don't like any operating system invented after say 1920. I have friends that think the mauser 98 is too new fangled. They like Sharps and 1885 high walls, or Remington rolling blocks. I like striker fired semi-auto pistols, and hammer fired as long as the hammer is attached to a revolver.
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Some don't like that you can't re-strike on a hard primer like you can on a hammer fired pistol. Others feel they need the ability to de-cock the gun and feel endangered carrying the gun in what they consider "cocked and unlocked".

I like them though. I consider the holster to be a critical part of the safety system along with handling and clearance drills. Less dedicated (casual) users who don't plan to train should probably shop elsewhere.
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Thats really it ^. Lots of people think of striker fired as "plastic". As if its watergun plastic paper bag plastic, when its actually polymer and in may cases stronger then steel guns. But its all perception. People will always assume metal means "strongest"

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I own one and like it but feel I get a harder primer strike with a hammer type pistol. I hope that I never need to see the difference.
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My impression is that there's more dislike for hammer fired pistols these days, at least among those under age 30 or so. I don't know why. Striker fired pistols may be cheaper to manufacture.

I also don't know how far back striker fired designs go--wasn't the Browning 1910 auto striker fired?
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Hey some people dont like pizza...go figure...i love pizza and plastic guns not everything is for everyone....
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My problem is I like them all. Don

PS I just bought a new FNS in 9mm.
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Nothing wrong with the nastalgia of double action revolvers and single action semi-autos, but I don't have a problem with embracing new technology. That's why I have several striker fired firearms, and a DVR for my satellite TV receiver, and a iPhone and iPad, and a Ecoboost in my Ford truck.
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Funny. I've heard so many negative comments on various boards but now everybody likes 'em.
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Funny. I've heard so many negative comments on various boards but now everybody likes 'em.
Can't speak for others...I have shot striker fired and like them just fine. I think they are easier to shoot well, the trigger feels fine and they are affordable to most folks...but I've never owned one.

I shoot and carry my guns as they are under contract for active duty...but they are so much more than a "tool" to me. I appreciate the craftsmanship and styling of my guns as much as using them and that is where the polymers leave me wanting.

My dog is supposed to protect me but it seems we spend most of our time playing...
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Some people don't like any operating system invented after say 1920. I have friends that think the mauser 98 is too new fangled. They like Sharps and 1885 high walls, or Remington rolling blocks. I like striker fired semi-auto pistols, and hammer fired as long as the hammer is attached to a revolver.
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I'm a revolver guy but I've been thinking of getting a bottom feeder. I've been to my local gun shops and checked a few out. In my research I've come to the conclusion that I'd rather have a striker fired semi over hammer fired. They'd have the longer consistent trigger pull and point and shoot simplicity of a revolver. I'm planning on getting an M&P40c when I can scrape enough pennies together to afford one.
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I've fired both and can't tell much difference. Dry firing gives a whole different feel but my M&P9 feels the same during live fire. Some people seem to hate 'em though.
Sir, I don't know if this is common to all striker-fired pistols, but the trigger in my Glock stacks--it gets heavier the farther you pull it, which causes the muzzle to twitch to the side as the sear releases. Not conducive to fine accuracy. Other than that, I rather like the gun.

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A M&P is my only striker fired pistol. I have numerous hammer fired revolvers and semi autos. Two reasons the striker fired pistols don't appeal to me that much. a. Trigger. I like a light, crisp, precision trigger. b. plastic. I have an affinity for polished steel and nicely figured wood. That said, I like the M&P just fine. It resides by my bedside, cocked and unlocked, complete with CT laser grips, ready for action.
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First, I very much dislike striker fired autos, particularly Glocks, so let's get that up front. For you folding knife guys, I equate them with liner locks. Some are very good, but the overall design leaves a lot to be desired.

My chief gripe is that the firing pin depends on a longish spring which, when depressed, is released by a squeeze of the trigger. The spring then releases, sending the firing pin forward to contact the primer. The gun goes boom and the whole thing can be repeated until the magazine is empty.

Not only does this put a lot of wear and tear on the guns, Glock recommends these springs be changed every 3,000 rounds. Hammer-fired pistols fire when a hammer or hammer block contacts the primer, which in turn is driven forward by a shorter, stiffer spring that far outlasts the longer striker-fired springs that bypass the hammer.

Another thing I personally dislike is the so-called safety on these guns. On the Glocks, they put the safety on the trigger! This is akin to putting a brake on an accelerator. Every police department, highway patrol, federal or state LE agency or security service that has gone from revolvers or hammer-fired autos like a Beretta or Smith & Wesson's superb 2nd/3rd generation pistols, has seen a substantial increase in accidental discharges.

Can Glocks and its siblings be carried safely? Yes, with a little extra training, but though some people feel safe carrying them and using them, others (including some gun savvy people) don't. I've taken my Smith 659 and 3906 pistols and, unloading them, I cocked both. I then set about trying to get them to "fire." I then took my sister's Glock and did the same.

Given the Smith's long takeup in its trigger (even cocked), I found that accidentally discharging my two was no more or less difficult than accidentally discharging the Glock! In fact, I cocked one of the Smiths and carried it around both casually (under the belt in front and back) and formally (in a holster). I then took the Glock and did the same. In both situations I would have felt uncomfortable carrying any of these guns thus described. Also, if I were a police chief or agency head, I would have severe doubts about letting my personnel carry striker-fired pistols. If they're not cocked, they would have to be before being ready. And if they are cocked, firearm retention becomes a significant issue.

Hammer-fired pistols are much more reliable, safe guns than any striker-fired pistol. So I'd pass.

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First, I very much dislike striker fired autos, particularly Glocks, so let's get that up front. For you folding knife guys, I equate them with liner locks. Some are very good, but the overall design leaves a lot to be desired.

My chief gripe is that the firing pin depends on a longish spring which, when depressed, is released by a squeeze of the trigger. The spring then releases, sending the firing pin forward to contact the primer. The gun goes boom and the whole thing can be repeated until the magazine is empty.

Not only does this put a lot of wear and tear on the guns, Glock recommends these springs be changed every 3,000 rounds. Hammer-fired pistols fire when a hammer or hammer block contacts the primer, which in turn is driven forward by a shorter, stiffer spring that far outlasts the longer striker-fired springs that bypass the hammer.

Another thing I personally dislike is the so-called safety on these guns. On the Glocks, they put the safety on the trigger! This is akin to putting a brake on an accelerator. Every police department, highway patrol, federal or state LE agency or security service that has gone from revolvers or hammer-fired autos like a Beretta or Smith & Wesson's superb 2nd/3rd generation pistols, has seen a substantial increase in accidental discharges.

Can Glocks and its siblings be carried safely? Yes, with a little extra training, but though some people feel safe carrying them and using them, others (including some gun savvy people) don't. I've taken my Smith 659 and 3906 pistols and, unloading them, I cocked both. I then set about trying to get them to "fire." I then took my sister's Glock and did the same.

Given the Smith's long takeup in its trigger (even cocked), I found that accidentally discharging my two was no more or less difficult than accidentally discharging the Glock! In fact, I cocked one of the Smiths and carried it around both casually (under the belt in front and back) and formally (in a holster). I then took the Glock and did the same. In both situations I would have felt uncomfortable carrying any of these guns thus described. Also, if I were a police chief or agency head, I would have severe doubts about letting my personnel carry striker-fired pistols. If they're not cocked, they would have to be before being ready. And if they are cocked, firearm retention becomes a significant issue.

Hammer-fired pistols are much more reliable, safe guns than any striker-fired pistol. So I'd pass.

Just my own personal view.
My M&P 9 (no manual safety) is strictly for home defense. In about an hour, twenty forum members will post that you shouldn't own a firearm if you feel there's an elevated risk for a ND with a striker fired weapon. I agree with your post 100%, maybe that's why I never felt confident cliff diving.

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I like um all but find that my M&P 9 through thousands of rounds is by far the most reliable (only one malfunction first day I shot it).

My old smith revolver even locked up on me one day at the range.
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In my case, I dislike the trigger pull on most striker fired pistols and the lack of a physical safety on pistols like the Glock. I think we've all seen the video of the police chief in his LGS. When he holstered his Glock after comparing it to another model, the plastic piece on the drawstring of his windbreaker was lodged inside the trigger guard. When he pulled on his jacket to straighten it, the Glock fired in his holster. From some things I've read, this doesn't seem to be that uncommon an occurrence. As for trigger pull, well I have to admit I'm spoiled by my 1911 style firearms. Yes, I do have a Glock Mod 22 but it rarely makes a trip to the range or the farm. Usually it's either on the dresser at night or in the safe if we're out of town.

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I have no dislike for striker-fired guns.

I like my 1895, 1896 and 1898 Mausers just fine. Also my 1903A3 Springfield. My Ortgies 32 pocket pistols are nice, and my H&K PSP is the most accurate gun I own.

And, since there is NO HAMMER in any of those guns, they are all STRIKER FIRED. Striker-fired means the firing pin (the striker) is held under spring tension until released by the trigger, as opposed to hammer-fired, where the pin just sits there and the hammer, driven by spring tension, hits the pin. It has nothing to do with a trigger style, or a frame material.

Technically, I suppose, that would make older S&W HEs "striker-fired" since the firing pin is attached to the hammer, it would make the hammer the "striker".

I do not, however, like plastic guns. You can call 'em "polymer" all you like, and it will not change the fact that they are plastic. I do not like they way they feel.

I like the Ruger 22 automatic pistol. I have a Mark I Bull Barrel, and a Mark II. And for about six months I had a 22/45. Sold it. Know why? The 22/45 has a "polymer" frame. It did not feel good in my hand.

I don't care about how the Glock trigger works, or whether it is safer than a normal "it's cocked until you pull the trigger" gun. I don't care whether S&W copied Glock to make their plastic guns. I don't care whether Kahr are "striker-fired" or "hammer-fired" or what.

They are plastic. I do not like plastic guns.

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Been shooting all manner of pistols since 1980. Never ever had a hammer/striker spring ever fail no matter how grungy the pistol. Never had a 1911 of any sort fail. Never had a Glock of any caliber fail ever in any way. And, never had any of those pistols just up and go off by themselves.

Safeties? Some folks want them. Can't see the big need. Certainly don't need one on a revolver. It will not go bang unless and until I put my finger in the trigger guard and pull the trigger. Then on a DA... it will most assuredly go bang. Just like a Glock or M&P. Keep your trigger finger off the trigger and it's as safe as a 1911... w/ the safety on or off or whatever.

Like striker fired firearms? Yep. Count me in. I like 'em w/o reservation. Would have been thrilled to have had something like a G-17 back in 1979. Would have stood up well to the salty environment of the shipyard... and give lots of rounds for one night in particular when I blundered up on a dope deal. Those folks all had guns.

Cocked a problem? With the Glock... no. It is not cocked. There is a load on the spring... maybe what 40%. But it will only fire if you pull the trigger. That trigger is not going to up and pull itself. As to criminals gaining control of the pistol, well, that's a problem even if your carrying a flintlock pistol.

All in all, the striker fired firearm is just a smart way to deal with the firing mechanism. Think of the MG-42.... etc. Those things don't have hammers. They have spring powered strikers. Those things fire a gazillion rounds in the time it takes for sweat to pop out on your forehead. And those things are unbelievably reliable... almost as good as a Glock. :-)
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Glocks are astounding guns. When I took a firearms course to accompany my sister, I was able to choose my weapon. I chose a Glock and my sister picked a Taurus fixed sight .38 with a beautiful black finish.

The Glock worked flawlessly, but I marveled that people would carry them with a cartridge up the snoot. Remember the federal agent who had an accidental discharge while he was explaining that he was one of the few agents experienced enough to carry a Glock!

Also, just look at the various autos with hammers! The Ruger .22 auto has a hidden hammer and is known for its accuracy and reliability.



The Ruger designed .22lr pistol was actually a rifle built as a handgun. Here we have the stainless Ruger Mark II and (bottom) an AMT version of the same gun, both with hidden hammers.

And check out these classic autos with hammers:







The Taurus PT 92 is one of the few Taurus handguns that
are as good as the original. Hasn't missed a beat, and is both
accurate and dependable. Also, gorgeous, to boot!




Even these tiny Berettas have hammers. Anyone want to
swap them for a Jennings J-22 and a Raven?




Having shot the Glock, I think it's an ugly, dependable tool like a screwdriver or an axe. But I wouldn't carry them with a round in the chamber any more than I would carry a Smith & Wesson 5906 or 3906 in a holster with a round in the chamber and cocked.

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Two of the best pistols I have ever owned are striker fired: The HK P7M8 and the Walther P99 AS. Both have repeat strike capability, both have been very accurate, both have been very reliable.

These pistols could change minds about strikers. (Internet pix.)


The P7 family of pistols are, in my opinion, the safest pistols to carry with a round in the chamber. All shots are single action as long as the cocking lever is held in the cocked position. Once the lever is released the pistol is decocked and cannot be fired. The P7s are also all steel, very tough steel.

P7M8



Walther P99 AS


The Walther P99 in its original and in its AS configuration will fire in double action mode with a revolver-like, long 11 pound pull and in single action mode with about a five pound pull. The reset, once fired, is a measly quarter inch and very distinct. Once decocked, the P99 AS trigger pull is as long as it is in double action but with virtually no resistance until you hear and feel a noticeable click—like a set trigger— and the rest of the pull is about five pounds, like the single action.
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In my case, I dislike the trigger pull on most striker fired pistols and the lack of a physical safety on pistols like the Glock. I think we've all seen the video of the police chief in his LGS. When he holstered his Glock after comparing it to another model, the plastic piece on the drawstring of his windbreaker was lodged inside the trigger guard. When he pulled on his jacket to straighten it, the Glock fired in his holster. From some things I've read, this doesn't seem to be that uncommon an occurrence. As for trigger pull, well I have to admit I'm spoiled by my 1911 style firearms. Yes, I do have a Glock Mod 22 but it rarely makes a trip to the range or the farm. Usually it's either on the dresser at night or in the safe if we're out of town.

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That was the classic case of a negligent discharge, emphasis on negligent. As far as 1911s, I've pulled it out of the holster to find that the safety had already disengaged. So, I don't think it's so much the design,as it is the safety between the ears. Any gun can be dangerous without due diligence.
So you could say the Glock type may even be safer because you know it's cocked and loaded with no safety, whereas the 1911, you think it's safetied, but it may not be and most are far less than 5 1/2lb. triggers.
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Glocks are astounding guns. When I took a firearms course to accompany my sister, I was able to choose my weapon. I chose a Glock and my sister picked a Taurus fixed sight .38 with a beautiful black finish.

The Glock worked flawlessly, but I marveled that people would carry them with a cartridge up the snoot. Remember the federal agent who had an accidental discharge while he was explaining that he was one of the few agents experienced enough to carry a Glock!

Also, just look at the various autos with hammers! The Ruger .22 auto has a hidden hammer and is known for its accuracy and reliability.



The Ruger designed .22lr pistol was actually a rifle built as a handgun. Here we have the stainless Ruger Mark II and (bottom) an AMT version of the same gun, both with hidden hammers.

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The Taurus PT 92 is one of the few Taurus handguns that
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Having shot the Glock, I think it's an ugly, dependable tool like a screwdriver or an axe. But I wouldn't carry them with a round in the chamber any more than I would carry a Smith & Wesson 5906 or 3906 in a holster with a round in the chamber and cocked.
Not the same thing. A cocked 5906 and a Glock. Glock isn't cocked. The Fed agent is a bad example. I saw a guy have the same problem with a 1911. Plenty of people had the same problem with revolvers. Just cause it gets played over and over doesn't make it different. Still the same ONE incident

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I own both and I feel that a hammer delivers a stronger blow to the primer than a striker. This could be important if you're fighting for your life and the gun must go bang every time. I also like the deep, wide dent a hammer delivers to the primer. Some of the primer dents left by my Glocks and even my S&W M&P makes me wonder how the round fired.
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Not so much "dislike" as "disinterest."

Seriously, you think a striker fired trigger pull feels the same as a DA/SA? M'kay... I have fired a G19 with a worked over trigger that was OK. The box stock G17 was absolutely horrendous...
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+1 on everybody who said 'trigger pull' or some variation thereof.

I've owned both but have since sold or traded my striker fired 9mm's and settled on...dun dun dun dun....the CZ75 because it has, BY FAR, the best TRIGGER PULL of any SA I've ever owned. And I mean right-out-of-the-box! If any other trigger could match the SA of hammer-fired CZ75, then I would already own it.

I could care less whether its polymer or steel, as long as it absorbs enough recoil so that my hand doesn't hurt. IMHO; it just 'happens' that the metal guns absorb, for me, more recoil and I just happen to shoot them much more accurately when they have nice triggers. I would also note that I'm not going to pay $450-$650 for a gun and then put another couple hundred into trigger work. Hence my 92FS, M&P9c, and other plastic-trigger-group guns are all gone.
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I noticed right away when I purchased my first CZ85db these are way underrated.

Either way the gun doesn't matter to me striker or non striker if it shoots its all good. As far as plastic pistols I don't own any yet, I don't hate them but I don't love them either. I just don't have the time to waste or dwell on them.

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AMT. Their "copy" of the Mark II. Which I hear they were sued for. Not a bad gun. Don't see many.
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Default Striker-fired pistols go back to the beginning of autoloaders

As a couple of others have noted above, striker-fired pistols aren't a new thing. Back in 1900 AD--114 years ago--two striker-fired pistols went on the market:

1) The Luger (7.65mm/.30 Cal. version)

2) The FN Browning (7.65mm/.32 ACP)

Both of these were pretty safe to carry with a chambered round; both had thumb safeties and grip safeties.

The FN Browning was John M. Browning's first successful autopistol design. FN sold half a million of them. It was superseded by another JMB design, a simpler, more elegant striker-fired pocket gun, the FN Model of 1910, which was manufactured up through the 1960s.

In the meantime, so as not to step on his own patents, JMB had designed another .32, which was released in the United States; collectors call it the Colt 1903 Pocket Hammerless, but it had a hammer, concealed by the slide. You couldn't get a "second strike" with one of these--there was no way to cock the hammer again without racking the slide and ejecting the cartridge. This (and the .380 version) was another hugely successful pistol.

So, as others have said, "striker-fired" didn't start with Glock and doesn't mean "unsafe plastic pistol."
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That was the classic case of a negligent discharge, emphasis on negligent. As far as 1911s, I've pulled it out of the holster to find that the safety had already disengaged. So, I don't think it's so much the design as it is the safety between the ears. Any gun can be dangerous without due diligence.
I've heard that before, but design has plenty to do with accidental discharges. The human mind is not always in a constant state of alertness and gun designs have to take that into consideration. The Colt 1911 is a wonderfully designed pistol with an intelligent safety that makes the gun capable of great readiness. The cocked-and-locked aspect is what caused me to choose the Taurus 92 over the Beretta. Other guns that don't really need safeties allow for rounds in the chambers with no need to engage anything that would make them "safer." The earlier Smiths (2nd and 3rd generations), Berettas, Sigs, and many others were of this type.

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Yes, fine, if your state of alertness is at maximum capacity. I'm still convinced that a round in the chamber of a Glock is about at the same safety level as a Smith 659/5906 with a round in the chamber and cocked. These are all manageable states, but hardly recommended.
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I own both and I feel that a hammer delivers a stronger blow to the primer than a striker. This could be important if you're fighting for your life and the gun must go bang every time. I also like the deep, wide dent a hammer delivers to the primer. Some of the primer dents left by my Glocks and even my S&W M&P makes me wonder how the round fired.
Amen to that!

Striker-fired pistols work...there's no denying it. But, and this is an important but -- they're all dependent on springs. The springs in revolvers and hammer-fired autos, however, are stronger, more condensed and will last for years. A Ruger Security-Six will last for generations. A 659/5906 with hammers also will last for years, the only exceptions being the magazine springs. With striker-fired pistols, the weak link is the firing pin and recoil springs. Thus the weaker hits on the primers. That's why Glock recommends changing its springs every 3,000 rounds! A Ruger Security-Six is still being broken in at 3,000 rounds. And hammer-fired autos also are still going strong. If, heaven forbid, a local or national emergency happened, like our power grid going down, changing springs would have to be a consideration for people with striker-fired pistols. Hammer springs hold up much better, and a collection of magazines would go the rest of your life. And if you had a Security-Six, your grandchildren would be using it given there was adequate ammunition.

I have a Beretta .22lr with a hammer. Works great. I also have a Jennings J-22, which is a cheap striker-fired pistol that also is extremely reliable. I haven't fired it much, but on the few times I have, it works great. I also have extra springs, magazines and a couple of firing pins. With the Berettas, I didn't think it was necessary. Maybe some day in the future that gun with the extras will be worth a lot of money.

Bottom line: I believe hammer-fired pistols will outlast the striker-fired pistols unless one stocks up on springs, firing pins and so forth.







Another consideration...why were all the junk guns striker-fired? Because they're cheaper to produce. Yet modern plastic pistols sell for as much as hammer-fired pistols. I've also wondered how much guns like the Smith & Wesson stainless 9mm and .45s would sell for today if they were still being made. With the higher prices of steel, fitting and other resources, they most likely would be close to a grand.
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Striker fired pistols have miserable triggers.

All the add on parts in the world don't change the reality:

1911 triggers are so much better that it's not worth fussing with strker fired variety

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Not the same thing. A cocked 5906 and a Glock. Glock isn't cocked. The Fed agent is a bad example. I saw a guy have the same problem with a 1911. Plenty of people had the same problem with revolvers. Just cause it gets played over and over doesn't make it different. Still the same ONE incident

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The big difference with a hammer on a DA revolver or auto is that you have the ability to control the hammer with your thumb upon unholstering/reholstering. A lot of the accidental discharges happen during that phase but of course poor gun handling can make the safest gun in the world a deadly accident waiting to happen.
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This is true and comes down to the individual. Just like I know that I can't drive a stick shift car like an auto, I'm also aware that I carry a glock. I simply look when I'm holstering
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Not the same thing. A cocked 5906 and a Glock. Glock isn't cocked. The Fed agent is a bad example. I saw a guy have the same problem with a 1911. Plenty of people had the same problem with revolvers. Just cause it gets played over and over doesn't make it different.
Why is the fed agent a bad example? Even he tells the audience that the Glock is a gun for experts. And showing other accidental discharges really tells us nothing. You have to compare the number of incidents with each type of firearm.

One fellow who experienced an accidental discharge with his Glock states:

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“What the hell was that?!?” she said. It took me a half a second to realize that my gun had just gone off…on my hip…in its holster. My wife and I had just finished breakfast at our favorite cafe and got into the car.

Me being the passenger, I rotated my torso to the left to fasten my seatbelt like I always do. When I straightened again, my Glock 19 discharged, blowing a 9mm hole through my pants, underwear, the leather seat and bottom of the car’s door frame.

The bullet nicked my hip, but the wound is nothing a bandage couldn’t cover. So what went wrong? Guns never go “Bang” all by themselves.
In his case, it was a soft leather holster flap that had worked its way into the trigger guard and had depressed the Glock's trigger "safety." Needless to say, this could never have happened with a hammer-fired gun with the safety on or off, unless cocked.

So remember what I said about the Smith's 659/5906? Cocked with no safety? The same accident could have happened with it, but even then the holster would have had to have pushed the trigger a further distance before it had discharged. So even then, having a cocked Smith 659 in the holster would have been safer than having a Glock in ready position. The Glock would only require a nudge, but the Smith would have had to have the slack taken out of the trigger before it went BANG!

Statistically, Glocks and their clones have more accidental discharges than hammer-fired pistols, and departments and agencies that switch from hammer-fired guns to Glocks always see a significant rise in accidental discharges, because the trigger, while technically not cocked, acts as though it were. Just a slight push on the trigger and BANG! This doesn't happen with hammer-fired pistols. That's why I NEVER recommend Glocks, even to experienced shooters. Glocks do shoot great, better than most, but I think hammer-fired pistols are more suitable for nearly everything. In short, Glocks need safeties.

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Not so much "dislike" as "disinterest."

Seriously, you think a striker fired trigger pull feels the same as a DA/SA? M'kay... I have fired a G19 with a worked over trigger that was OK. The box stock G17 was absolutely horrendous...
Yup, Trigger, for me it's all about the trigger. I like a trigger that breaks like the proverbial glass rod. There might be a striker fired pistol out there with a trigger as good as a hammer fired pistol, I just have not shot one yet. My bolt action rifles are striker fired and they have fabulous triggers, why are the striker fired handgun triggers so horrendous? I bought an M&P 45 due to a wild hair, it's a good reliable pistol with a usable trigger, I have shot Glocks and XDs and they are serviceable but they will never feel as crisp as a 1911, Sig, Browning, 1st, 2nd, or 3rd gen S&W.
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I carry daily. Whenever I holster a revolver, I hold the hammer down with my thumb so that I can feel it if anything (like a holster) starts to cock the hammer. Whenever I holster an autoloader, I hold the hammer back while holstering.

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You just don't hear about people having 'accidents', and shooting themselves with DA/SA semiauto pistols. The same with revolvers, of course.

I wonder how many people have been unintentionally shot by Glocks, and other striker fired pistols without an active safety. And by active safety, I mean one that can be engaged via lever, buy the gun's owner.

They don't call it 'Glock leg' without due cause, IMHO.
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Why it's a bad example? Because it's used over and over as if it were a thousand examples. The same example can be used for all other guns. Based on one (that specific one) example I can find a reason to not carry a 5906 or a 1911 or a revolver.

The other example doesn't state what type of holster the guy was using. He could have been carrying Mexican style or in a holster ment for a different gun, like so many people often do. You wouldn't put diesel into a gas engine car why would you use a holster for a different gun. It might be close enough until that one time when it isn't. Whatever holster he was carrying in had the trigger on something. Maybe this time the gun was shoved a little too far down. Or maybe the holster was worn
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“Why the dislike for striker fired pistols?” you ask:

Unfortunately it often seems to be a matter of stubborn hidebound ignorance, with an...all too frequent, streak of combative arrogance

Then there's the seemingly ceaseless, overenthusiastic, ignorantly myopic prattle of the endless procession of Glock fanbois that seem to enflame some into…just as mindless, counter-action

There are also those who are so absolutely brilliant as to know just about…alright not just about, EVERYTHING there is to know about every gun of every type and description. Such individuals…of-course, have what mere mortals would call an opinion…about every gun of every type and description. These individuals are eager to nit-pick at anything with pronouncements…not opinions mind you, pronouncements, as if said pronouncements were a word for word quote from the tablets some bearded dude in a robe brought down from a mountain somewhere east of here…a long time ago

There is a pseudo-sub-set of the above…sitting all alone in the basement of mom’s house in their underwear, who’ve randomly adopted this subject and through the anonymity of the internet, can and do post as if they are actually someone the masses should listen to…all because they possess the kind of Google Foo that enables them to argue anything at any time on the internet…and back it up with Wiki-references

There's also the segment that...having become almost semi-proficient with a particular type of pistol become frustrated when they can't "perform" to the same imagined level of proficiency...immediately upon picking up a striker fired plastic fantastic, so they naturally blame the striker fired plastic fantastic

An additional segment...sometimes confused with the previous group, are those who actually might have spent some time at International/Bullseye/2700 games who have convinced themselves that even duty/defensive pistols must have a 2 to 3 ½ lb. short stroke trigger with an overtravel stop...that breaks like the proverbial glass rod

Finally, there are the desperate attempts by some to conceal the very fact that they're actually terrified of the most popular duty/defensive pistol out there

Did I miss anyone
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