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Well, for the first time in over 40 years I have two of our principal leather suppliers telling me that leather is in short supply. I don't know about the cheap grade hides from across the creek, but the premium quality domestic U.S. bends and backs we use suddenly have become scarce and significantly more expensive.

For the present, we're ok, have a good supply on hand and can hold out awhile. The trouble is based on the decline of U.S. tanneries, which has been steady for the last 15 years or so. So many have closed as a result of various government regulations that made their business unprofitable, while tanneries abroad in Asia, Europe and in South America, prosper with little or no government regulation.

Much of the quality leathers are being bought up largely by the shoe industry, according to one source, who say's the market demand for gun leather, gun belts and similar accessories has skyrocketed over the past year and created short supply. I can attest to the increase in demand from my own experience with our shop. We are very, very busy. But I never imagined there would be such consequences or repercussions. It's like the old saying, "One step forward and two steps back". You have the increased demand, but can't get the product to the market.

Guess I'm gonna have to git me some steers!

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I can send you some of my leather...but you might have to clean it up a bit....and remove the studs.
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Well, for the first time in over 40 years I have two of our principal leather suppliers telling me that leather is in short supply. I don't know about the cheap grade hides from across the creek, but the premium quality domestic U.S. bends and backs we use suddenly have become scarce and significantly more expensive. For the present, we're ok, have a good supply on hand and can hold out awhile. The trouble is based on the decline of U.S. tanneries, which has been steady for the last 15 years or so. So many have closed as a result of various government regulations that made their business unprofitable, while tanneries abroad in Asia, Europe and in South America, prosper with little or no government regulation. Much of the quality leathers are being bought up largely by the shoe industry, according to one source, who say's the market demand for gun leather, gun belts and similar accessories has skyrocketed over the past year and created short supply. I can attest to the increase in demand from my own experience with our shop. We are very, very busy. But I never imagined there would be such consequences or repercussions. It's like the old saying, "One step forward and two steps back". You have the increased demand, but can't get the product to the market. Guess I'm gonna have to git me some steers! Cheers; Lefty
Just one more case where our federal government through regulations exported yet another of our industries to the detriment of the US population.

Washington politicians simply make it too expensive to operate here so our industry closes and is bought up for pennies on the dollar and moved (sometimes lock stock and barrel) abroad. Sometimes just the technology and key personnel with all new factories and equipment often subsidized by their government due to the importance of having such industry to employ their citizens. It would be nice if Washington would think about our citizens every once and a while.

This scenario has been repeated over and over in nearly all of our industries. So many of the industries we once dominated are now rare or extinct in the USA. This has changed the USA from the manufacturer for the world a few decades ago, to a consumer nation and soon to be a third world nation. Thanks to both parties in Washington D. C.

Worse most of the new industries built in Europe and Asia and Latin America were financed by a few Rich Europeans and Americans using mostly American dollars.

Now all that expertise developed here is being used abroad and it will never come back. The inventions and innovations that come from having such industries will now belong to the Europeans, the Asians and the Latin Americans, and will no longer be coming from the USA. All thanks to corruption in Washington D. C. in BOTH political parties.
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I know W&C is getting a decent surcharge at the moment, I've always preferred someone raise their price rather than hit me with fees. Such is life unfortunately you just swing with the punches.
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Pleather ... not vinyl.
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Hey Mac, that's great idea!

Lefty, can you make holsters out of Naugahyde? I know where there's a nest of Naugas I can get at easily!
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I know W&C is getting a decent surcharge at the moment, I've always preferred someone raise their price rather than hit me with fees. Such is life unfortunately you just swing with the punches.
Wicket & Craig is no longer one of our suppliers, neither is Hermann Oaks. Both of them, along with "Weaver" do not offer leather that meet our requirement.

We make our gun leather in a small shop, to the highest standard of fit and finish. If we can't honestly say, "Proudly Made In The USA By American Craftsmen" then I quit....plain and simple.

I worked in law enforcement, designed and crafted concealment holsters, and horse goods for over 40 years on the side. I built other gun leather, with the legendary designer Chic Gaylord, all in NYC from the time I was a small boy, and many of you, were just at that time, an imagination (of Momma and Poppa's). Some of you great old guys are from my time and earlier times before. I so enjoy talking to you all, please never stop. As for the leather shortage, I hope it is temporary.

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Lefty, can you make holsters out of Naugahyde? I know where there's a nest of Naugas I can get at easily!
Drew ... How can you get at the nest of Naugas when they're all hyding?
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Drew ... How can you get at the nest of Naugas when they're all hyding?
Well Mac, they do tend to stand out...

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The last bundle my flea market shopper brought me was about 90% good quality veg tanned usable pieces. The trip about two weeks ago they had only two bundles to choose from and I ended up with about 2/3 white chrome tanned pieces hidden in the middle. Your post on the shortage helps explain the lack of a good selection at good prices.
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Saddle makers are having the same problem. I was in San Antonio last year at a leather shop and the owner said all the inferior leather coming in was giving him fits making saddles, and they wore out really quick.
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Drew;

Do you use shotgun or rifle on them surly Nauga's?

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Lefty,

A snare is best, but it's tough to get a loop to hang on them as they have no neck.

I've used frog gigs in the past, but unless you hit them in the seams, it tears up the pelt.

I'm thinking a taser would be good if you can catch them out of the water... If not, I'll have to resort to a Connibear. I hear that they bait well to cheap voldka, glitter balls, '78 Eldorados and bleached blonde disco chicks.

I'll let you know how it all works out. How many do you want? Tanned, or just skinned? They might not be prime this time of year.

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Finesse is right on target!
Couple what he discussed with sharply rising feed prices because someone thought using food to make low quality fuel was a good plan. Who pushed that one through? Yup.
See the common thread here?
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I've used frog gigs in the past, but unless you hit them in the seams, it tears up the pelt.

I'm thinking a taser would be good if you can catch them out of the water... If not, I'll have to resort to a Connibear. I hear that they bait well to cheap voldka, glitter balls, '78 Eldorados and bleached blonde disco chicks.

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Lefty,

You ever try the HYDE of a POLITICIAN,

No shortage of politicians and Wannabes.
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Just one more case where our federal government through regulations exported yet another of our industries to the detriment of the US population.

Washington politicians simply make it too expensive to operate here so our industry closes and is bought up for pennies on the dollar and moved (sometimes lock stock and barrel) abroad. Sometimes just the technology and key personnel with all new factories and equipment often subsidized by their government due to the importance of having such industry to employ their citizens. It would be nice if Washington would think about our citizens every once and a while.

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Worse most of the new industries built in Europe and Asia and Latin America were financed by a few Rich Europeans and Americans using mostly American dollars.

Now all that expertise developed here is being used abroad and it will never come back. The inventions and innovations that come from having such industries will now belong to the Europeans, the Asians and the Latin Americans, and will no longer be coming from the USA. All thanks to corruption in Washington D. C. in BOTH political parties.
With respect, there is a flip side....

Why is there so much regulation as to stifle business? I think so many businesses focused on profits above even the most basic common sense, like putting untreated industrial runoff directly into rivers and streams, that they brought the heavy hand of the typical government knee-jerk reaction upon themselves. How wrong is it for citizens to want clean water to drink, and clean air to breath.

Take a look at the pollution in China and India in the industrial "heaven" of no regulation. Workers getting killed and maimed on the job and citizens getting sick and dying from pollution related illnesses. Shall we roll back regulation to Upton Sinclair's era?? I think not!

It's really too bad that industry could not have self regulated better.

To blame "the government" alone is myopic. Business is as culpable, if not more.

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A lot of pistols have been sold lately, and cowboy action is getting really popular. That is a lot of demand.

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The increase in feed costs plus the drought resulted in smaller cattle heards here in the US and smaller heards mean fewer cow hides for the leather industry.
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With respect, there is a flip side....

Why is there so much regulation as to stifle business? I think so many businesses focused on profits above even the most basic common sense, like putting untreated industrial runoff directly into rivers and streams, that they brought the heavy hand of the typical government knee-jerk reaction upon themselves. How wrong is it for citizens to want clean water to drink, and clean air to breath.

Take a look at the pollution in China and India in the industrial "heaven" of no regulation. Workers getting killed and maimed on the job and citizens getting sick and dying from pollution related illnesses. Shall we roll back regulation to Upton Sinclair's era?? I think not!

It's really too bad that industry could not have self regulated better.

To blame "the government" alone is myopic. Business is as culpable, if not more.

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A lot of pistols have been sold lately, and cowboy action is getting really popular. That is a lot of demand.

Guy's;

The shortage is a fact. Blame, well hell blame whoever you want, what is the difference? Blame industry, blame government, blame NAFTA, blame Joe your next door neighbor for voting for the wrong politician. Don't waste your time playing the blame game, it is what it is and offering solutions is a far more positive ambition. No trolling on this one. If you can't offer something constructive, just leave it alone. It is a slippery slope (the blame game) and I didn't want to drift into geopolitics. With due respect to your remarks I am;

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Why is there so much regulation as to stifle business? I think so many businesses focused on profits above even the most basic common sense, like putting untreated industrial runoff directly into rivers and streams, that they brought the heavy hand of the typical government knee-jerk reaction upon themselves. How wrong is it for citizens to want clean water to drink, and clean air to breath.
Take a look at the pollution in China and India in the industrial "heaven" of no regulation. Workers getting killed and maimed on the job and citizens getting sick and dying from pollution related illnesses. Shall we roll back regulation to Upton Sinclair's era?? I think not! It's really too bad that industry could not have self regulated better. To blame "the government" alone is myopic. Business is as culpable, if not more. -------edit---------
A lot of pistols have been sold lately, and cowboy action is getting really popular. That is a lot of demand.
If I were only talking about safety regulations and reasonable anti-plutonian regulations I would tend to agree more with your position. However, it was the combination of those plus unnecessary regulations, plus high taxes, plus removing all tariffs on foreign imports where they did not meet those same regulation.

Government created a very uneven playing field that favors foreign industry over the industry of the USA.

If they want to regulate safety and pollution, and I agree that reasonable regulation is vital, then require the same of anyone gaining free access to our markets. Otherwise we may get cleaner air, but soon the population will be under even worse pressure to feed itself.

The restructuring of the tax code which shifted much of the burden from the upper class and the upper middle class to the lower middle class, combined with massive welfare and care for illegal aliens has resulted in a tax base that is prohibitive. This means business have to pay more and more so their workers can earn a living wage.

The web of actions by the government as a whole, not just one type of regulation is what I was talking about. In fact I consider the Reagan deregulation of so many industries a major mistake as some regulation is needed, especially in utility companies.

But most of the regulation now is specifically used to target an industry. One example is the EPA made slight changes in their requirement for water quality. The result is Chlorine can no longer be used in most water systems. The change did nothing of real benefit, but the result was to force small water supply companies around the nation to use Chloramine rather than Chlorine to effect a water result that would pass the new regulation. Chloramine is a mixture of Chlorine and ammonia and once the ammonia is in the water system it is very difficult and expensive to filter out and it is horrible for the people that use it. In fact it kills fish so aquarium users have to be very careful to use the expensive filters.

Since that change my water bill has doubled, and I now have to filter all drinking water using an expensive filter. Worse I still cannot filter it out of the shower water, as the flow is too great, and breathing it in is worse than drinking it. So not only did the EPA under the guise of safety regulations attack small water supply companies and MUDs, they created massive health problems.

Now was this intentional or was it just a stupid bureaucratic blunder? By the way cities like Houston and San Francisco have also switched to Chloramine and it is coming to your town sooner or later, thanks to the EPA.

Overnight due to government safety regulations, we went from having the best water I could hope for to have water poisoned with ammonia.

How about the fluoride scam. Many people actually still believe fluoride prevents tooth decay. The government still offers grants to communities to use it to poison people with. Fluoride was a waste product and some genius figured out the easiest way to dispose of it was to have people drink it and sell it and they got the government to provide the legal support to force it on people.
How many children and dogs have died because the ate a tube of fluoride tooth paste. That is one thing no one should swallow.

Most government safety regulations are aimed at destroying one industry and/or creating another and only rarely to they have much to do with real safety.

In Texas we cannot buy the old metal and plastic gas cans. They are now illegal to make and sell. You have to buy one with a plastic safety nozzle that lasts maybe 1 year if you are lucky and never really works correctly. It is supposed to prevent leaks, but it actually causes more leaks than it ever prevents. Government destroyed one industry and created another in one fell stroke of the legislative pen. I wonder how much in bribes, I mean campaign contributions, that costs the owners of the new safety gas can manufacturers. LOL

Hemp plants are illegal in the USA even though they have no drug in them. At one time hemp was the best cash crop as small farmer could have. Made quality paper and rope among other things. Today if you want hemp quality rope you have to buy it from an importer. Another industry destroyed and small farms attacked all in one legislative move. As large cooperatives take over more and more of out farmland, we move closer and closer to monopoly type price fixings on food. There are fortunes to be made by those that can reduce the small farms enough and accumulate enough farm land.

I forgot who said it, "but no one is safe as long as congress is in session."
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Well hell son.....you got that thar' right as rain!

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I hear that they bait well to cheap voldka, glitter balls, '78 Eldorados and bleached blonde disco chicks.

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If that bleach blonde disco chick is like the one pictured with Charlie, I'll have to pass, the '78 El Dorado reminds me of a gorgeous french Vietnamese psychiatrist I nearly married. The interior was red leather, the rest well, I'm sure you can imagine. I had another 80 Caddy, different girl though, she was a shrink too. Guess I attracted the wrong kind of women back then. My apologies to all you gorgeous female psychiatric goddesses.

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Lefty ... Due to the current shortage, I'm going to start scouring junkyards and auto auctions for mid '70s Chrysler Cordobas. I figure a single bench seat of fine Corinthian Leather would yield several quality BCO rigs.
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If that bleach blonde disco chick is like the one pictured with Charlie, I'll have to pass, the '78 El Dorado reminds me of a gorgeous french Vietnamese psychiatrist I nearly married. The interior was red leather, the rest well, I'm sure you can imagine. I had another 80 Caddy, different girl though, she was a shrink too. Guess I attracted the wrong kind of women back then. My apologies to all you gorgeous female psychiatric goddesses.

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I loved my Eldos.... had several. The first was a '67 the last a '76. Great machines. I loved the long doors you could really see their legs.... And even though they were low-slung cars, with those slouchy seats there was plenty of head room too.
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