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Should access to the "For Sale" forums be restricted?
Seems more and more first posts here are offering something for sale, often at a stupid price. Sort of like gunchoker without the percentage fee. Then there are the scams that Handejector usually nails quickly.
Many forums limit sales access to those members who have made a specified number of posts. Others restrict that access to paid contributing members.
This might encourage more of these sellers to contribute to the forum and discourage the selling trolls.
My $0.03, feel free to flame away!
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I can't buy guns anymore for financial reasons, and won't sell the few I have, but the idea makes sense to me.
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I feel like the forum will regulate itself on the matter. You mention outrageous prices on some items, so people don't need to buy them. The more items for sale on the forum, the better the pickings for the regular members and I believe a better snapshot for what the market is on various items bases on sold prices. Nothing negative is going to come from a free market place. Don't trust the buyer, not enough time or posts on the forum? Don't buy from them. Maybe some of these "for sale" posters will come to appreciate the forum and become members organically, like me (when I have two nickels to rub together again). Just some thoughts.
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Ditto....Unless the "questionable" sales volume becomes a real annoyance. Some of them even provide a little entertainment... 
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Also Low Post numbers - WTB
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Seems more and more first posts here are offering something for sale, often at a stupid price.
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There are also some who come in looking to buy specific items.
When their post count is very low; I just ignore them.
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Don't discount the new guy because of a low post count.
I had a relatively new guy give me some new wood grips for my 3913. 
Every post contributes something.
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The idea of having a set amount of post count before allowing to list something for sale is fairly common. It basically is to prevent spammers and to assure that folks posting items are legitimate and that they contribute to the site instead of using it as a one time free want ad. Comes down to what those that own and run the site want outta the site.
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I bought my Shield here on the forum with only a couple posts.
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It's a kind of double edged sword, we don't want to discourage new members from participating, but we don't want new members only to use as selling platform. There is no perfect world. Lee has the large picture view, so let him make the decisions.
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I don't understand you reasoning
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Originally Posted by TAROMAN
Seems more and more first posts here are offering something for sale, often at a stupid price. Sort of like gunchoker without the percentage fee. Then there are the scams that Handejector usually nails quickly.
Many forums limit sales access to those members who have made a specified number of posts. Others restrict that access to paid contributing members.
This might encourage more of these sellers to contribute to the forum and discourage the selling trolls.
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Are you proposing limits to "private sales" just because they are playing in your yard?
Maybe your point is you don't like the free market system & we should enforce some sort of price fixing?
Seems to me we have enough regulations to sales from our 'Uncle' without doing it to ourselves too!
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Yes, a person should need a minimum of oh, say, 321 posts in order to sell anything here. 
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Nice random number, Mr Pokeyman.
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You should have 321 posts and a German Shepherd.
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I have yet to post a ad here nor have I bought anything here yet. In fact I very seldom read the classifides here. I dont really care. I suppose some might think its like opening the door at a shiveree to someone you never seen, letting them in and drinking your beer and eating up the ordiers and sneaking out. Not my call, and I could care less.
Reminds me of that commercial, "We alllllll bundle!"
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Caveat emptor, in plain English.
And what's wrong with GunBroker, I bought some beautiful guns over there with no problem and a fair price.
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I read through the classifieds fairly often. I would not want to discourage anyone from selling here, it's not an auction site and the folks here know when something is fairly priced.
I'm still looking for that $30 registered magnum....... 
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I'm willing to have ALL "Firearms For Sale or Trade" posts come straight to me, before anyone else can see them, and I'll winnow out the "good" from the "bad." I'm just a team player and willing to make that sacrifice!
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Last night on another forum I done something I regret. They were talking about the super high prices of colt nickle pythons in 2 1/2". I worded a reply wrongly that I was thinking I might sell mine. I got about 10 E-mails in a hour! I could have easily sold mine in the $4,000 range! I bought time in my replys saying it would do me no good to sell just one gun, but I would then need to make up my mind to sell many more to buy that side by side ATV I am after. I still am debateing it with myself.
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I suppose if the Big Ape put the question out there, I might give it some thought.
Otherwise...
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I'm willing to have ALL "Firearms For Sale or Trade" posts come straight to me, before anyone else can see them, and I'll winnow out the "good" from the "bad." I'm just a team player and willing to make that sacrifice! |
Ya know-you're alrite Glad you have stepped up to the plate and taken this on!
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I don't have very many posts. I haven't been a member very long. But I like to window shop, and when I'm ready to buy another gun I'd love to buy a gun from a member here rather than somewhere else. I'd hate to not have access because of a tendency to read rather than speak.
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I thought it was restricted-you had to be a member. Makes no real diff to me. I hate to see it become commercialized, though.
If someone isn't contributing, they shouldn't be selling in abundance (except OM Blackhawks and only to me!) ;-)> (I have a beard!)
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What's wrong with it now? If it ain't broke...........
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Seems like everyone (almost) wants to reinvent the wheel-- if one doesn't like what goes on, don't go there.  Everytime I see such as this I can't help but think some people want the cream of the crop for themselves, if they can get it. Those that are worth while will stay, those that are not will go on their own. Mostly. If one doesn't care for the way things are, they can always start their own forum and make it 1000 posts if they like.
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I brought up the topic a long time ago. It was explained that the number of posts is meaningless. So someone makes 20 gratuitous posts now they can sell or buy?
Some new folks have nice guns they got from a relative and looking to get rid of them.
I do not buy or sell many guns here but recently sold one to a brand new member. Went very well and he got a nice gun at a good price.
Yes there are those who just post on the want ads, if you do not care for them don't deal with them.
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I am a member of another forum that has a policy requiring a number of posts before you can access their buy/sell sub forum. Not sure if it matters, because I did not join either forum to buy or sell. I rarely look at those sub forums.
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That seems like a LOT of work---maybe two or three of us could take an area of interest and help you out?
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Boys, I have bought, sold and traded with many of you on here. I recently answered a WTT in the classified. In the initial response I voiced my concern about his lack of tenure on the forum. He replied back that he would handle the situation in whatever matter I felt comfortable. That told me a lot right there. I checked out his receiving ffl and it is a reputable business. I trusted the gentleman and our guns passed in transit. It could not have been a more pleasant transaction.
I guess what I am saying is it kinda like not gettin a job because you have no experience. No one will hire you and let you obtain any experience. Catch 22.
Has anyone here been burned on a sale on this forum? I too see quite a few newbies and posted several weeks back about same. Wasn't too long ago we were all newbies.
Don't know the answer to this one other than work it out on an individual basis. If you don't trust the seller/buyer don't do it. Ah, but the temptation of a new--------------- is sometimes overwhelming, ain't it?
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I brought up the topic a long time ago. It was explained that the number of posts is meaningless. So someone makes 20 gratuitous posts now they can sell or buy?
Some new folks have nice guns they got from a relative and looking to get rid of them.
I do not buy or sell many guns here but recently sold one to a brand new member. Went very well and he got a nice gun at a good price.
Yes there are those who just post on the want ads, if you do not care for them don't deal with them.
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Maybe your point is you don't like the free market system & we should enforce some sort of price fixing?
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This is one of the most idiotic misinterpretations I have ever had the misfortune of reading on the S&W Forum.
Taroman's point is that the Buy/Sell section might be better served for all involved by having participants "earn" the privilege of usage by contributing to the Forum in a minimal way through post counts. Such a plan would weed out the first time/one time posters, and potentially ensure more committed and serious participants. Is it a perfect idea? No. But from my experience, individuals with a single digit post count are more readily NOT as serious (or simply less experienced) in the nuances of Forum business than those who have been here for a while actively posting, therefore they pose a greater risk to deal with. Is every new poster a potential problem? Obviously not, but Mr. First Post does not instill as much confidence in a Buy/Sell ad as someone with significantly more member activity.
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It seems to be pretty good at, as has been said, self regulating. I've not posted an ad but have bought a couple of holsters from members and have gotten great deals. Sometimes I'll see an ad that has a price and it has a ton of views and no replies. That should tell the seller his price is way too high. I check the classifieds every time I log on. You just never know what you just can't live without.
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That seems like a LOT of work---maybe two or three of us could take an area of interest and help you out?
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No no, that's okay. Thanks for the offer, but this is my burden, so I'll struggle through on my own.
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If you guys are nervous about dealing with new members then here is the solution.
I, yes I, Rule 3 will act as the clearing house or middle man if you will. Conduct your business and all monies and guns will be shipped to me.
When I have determined that the gun is as advertised and the correct amount of money has been sent and cleared my bank in Nigeria. Then I will ship the gun to the buyer, Of course there will be my nominal service fee depending on said value of the gun.
See the fine print for details.
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Taroman's point is that the Buy/Sell section might be better served for all involved by having participants "earn" the privilege of usage by contributing to the Forum in a minimal way through post counts. Such a plan would weed out the first time/one time posters, and potentially ensure more committed and serious participants.
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25 posts.
This comes up every year or so. The post count is meaningless. It can be handled by those who would need to handle it too easily.
Some heirs get advised to come here to sell guns they don't want and know nothing about. They don't have any knowledge to contribute. There is nothing they want to learn besides how to cash them out. They won't spend a lot of time building even a small required post count.
Works for them, works for us.
Some other people have literally grown old reading this board. They weren't hard core collectors, but liked to read about the old guns, or about shooting, or reloading, or whatever, but never felt the need to post, or never felt qualified to post. Some are old enough to quit shooting and want to move a few guns they have no heirs for.
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How many guns do you want me to keep you from getting a shot at?
Is it a fixed number, a particular type of gun, or a particular type of seller we don't want?
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Ah, the pure essence.........
You guys are actually asking me to regulate your buying and selling more than the minimum we are compelled to do for a smooth operation? 
You are adults.
You are freemen.
Act accordingly.
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I like it
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Stuff is where you find it.
Sometime back I located a 3 1/2" 27 for a good price on another forum. I took the time to sign up because as a non member I was not allowed to contact the seller. After I took the time to sign up I was informed I could not play in the classifieds until I had a certain number of post. I contacted another poster,not a seller, and ask him to contact the seller and e-mail me so it did work out with the help of good samaritan. That has happened on several occasions, sometimes trying to sell when responding to WTB ads as well.
There may be the item you have been longing for, or a buyer looking for the one thing you want to sell and you are unable to connect.
It is not just a hindrance to the shady seller it can be an aggravation to honest buyers and sellers too.
I think the Smith and Wesson forum's way is a better way of doing it.
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Well, it would certainly save many of us a whole pile of money!
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On the other hand..............
Let's just say a gun collector passes away and his wife or friend join to sell off his Grade A life long collection. They join this Forum (the best) and start selling some really good stuff to us. If we ban them from doing so until they post XXX times they will go somewhere else. Do we want that? Who is the looser here? Maybe the seller has no interest in collecting or in guns at all - but we do!
There is no perfect answer, and there is no rhyme or reason to the fact that just because someone has posted XXX times will make him a reliable and upstanding seller or member. Glad I do not have to make this decision!
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I'm a member of another gun forum that has a 50 post count minimum before you can use the classifieds but you can make a $15 annual contribution as a site supporter and the post count requirement is waived. Find one gun and it's a bargain.
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I bought a model 631 from a new forum member with exactly one post, in the for sale section. Sal had one S&W, and wanted to pass it on. He gave me his FFL dealers info and I made one call and the FFL told me Sal was a big cowboy action shooter. The deal went great!
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Everyone has the right to buy something no matter if they have a few post or many of post no one is different from another person. Why, make it any different because their are new people trying to sale on a gun forum? We all started new on this website.
Just my two pennies take it as you wish.
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08-05-2013, 11:03 PM
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First gun I bought of this forum made me a nervous wreck at first but after a good phone conversation I knew it was going to be ok. And my first gun buy on the S&W forum was a 3rd gen Colt SAA 7 1/2" .45 99% gun about 2005. Bought the gun because I had a brand new empty box to put it in.
I'll do business with a new guy but I'm going to keep my guard up and if it's decent money I want a phone call. If the bs detector goes off I pay attention.
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08-05-2013, 11:19 PM
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Seems more and more first posts here are offering something for sale
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Well, FWIW, my second post was a for sale ad, my first was in the new member area.
And I've seen folks on other sites with Hundreds (even Thousands) of post turn out to be nothing but thieves.
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08-06-2013, 12:13 AM
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No, no, no, no, never, never, never, no, no, no
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08-06-2013, 01:58 AM
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My first post was an "I'll take it."
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08-06-2013, 06:27 AM
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Everyone on here started out with 0 posts.
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08-06-2013, 09:00 AM
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Yeah, but did any one buy that 25-14 that was offered at $3000.00?
It was MINTY! It only had a few hundred rounds through it, so it was LIKE NEW!!
No box or tools or paperwork, but LNIB!!
It doesn't really take a lot to weed those out, now does it?
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08-06-2013, 09:41 AM
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I agree with those that say no more regulation. And I just want to point out that in different areas of the country the same gun can command very different pricing. Here in Arizona, because of our conceal carry law that allows anyone to carry without a permit, compacts and j frames consistently sell for more money than they do on gunbroker or here. My point being that I try not to judge a person based on the asking price of the gun simply because I don't know the circumstances they bought it under. The only thing I can do is set my price range and condition standards and keep on the hunt until those are met. And as far as post count, I for one don't have a lot of post here yet but I have enjoyed reading and learning on this forum for 8 months and I would hate for other "newbies" to join here and find it as restricted as those other forums and they give up thinking this place is like all the rest and then they lose out on the opportunity to be a part of this great community and family. I say let self regulation take care of it.
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08-06-2013, 10:10 AM
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You guys are actually asking me to regulate your buying and selling more than the minimum we are compelled to do for a smooth operation?
You are adults.
You are freemen.
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Thank you Lee.
What it boils down to is this: I don't need anybody to protect me from myself. I don't want anyone making my decisions for me. I am capable of making my own decisions and am willing to accept the consequences of them as well. Besides, we don't need no stinkin' Nanny State here! We get enough of that from our local, state and federal gubnant! 
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Thank you Lee.
What it boils down to is this: I don't need anybody to protect me from myself. I don't want anyone making my decisions for me. I am capable of making my own decisions and am willing to accept the consequences of them as well. Besides, we don't need no stinkin' Nanny State here! We get enough of that from our local, state and federal gubnant!
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Amen to that!
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08-06-2013, 03:03 PM
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In the future I'll try to keep my posts on a 3rd grade level for ya
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This is one of the most idiotic misinterpretations I have ever had the misfortune of reading on the S&W Forum.
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Sir,
I intended this statement to be as ridiculous as the OP's original proposal, as in "sarcasm".
Sorry you missed my main point, it was not intended to be a ceiling joke. (as in "way over your head")
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