There's a resort and community 6 miles from home. I go there for physical therapy. My wife comes with me on her days off. There's a game room in the indoor aquatics center where my wife does jigsaw puzzles.
Today when we got to the facility the 3000 piece puzzle she had been working on was scattered across the table and some of the pieces were on the floor. The other tables and chairs were strewn around the room, the stereo was pulled away from the wall and the cords pulled out the back, the small 'fridge was pulled halfway off it's table, the satellite tv no longer works and there was trash and filth on the floor. Also, the truck used for facility maintenance was sitting nice and neatly in it's designated parking place with the front end all smashed in. The police were called and printed the truck. They didn't print the game room because there were too many different people that use that room.
There are residents there, some have a trailer in the campground, some live in the condos and others bought some land and built houses. One of these people is a guy that just recently went on disability, hitched a trailer to his truck and moved there to start over. For the last month he's had his 20 year old troubled son living with him. This boy's the main suspect, apparently he's been causing trouble at the facility, he has a criminal record and he's done this kinda thing before. His father told me that he read his son the riot act for coming home drunk last night.
What's wrong with some people?

Update,
Turns out that it was the boy. As I was driving to the facility, the boys dad was driving with a load of scrap metal in the back of his truck to take to the scrap guy in town to cash in. He told me that the cops came knocking at his door this morning and his son admitted to getting drunk on vodka and taking the maintenance truck joyriding and smashing the front end into a tree. He went on to tell me that the boy then walked back to the trailer, got dad's truck, drove back, pulled the maintenance truck out of the ditch and drove it back. then he walked back, got dad's truck and drove it home. All without dad noticing. It seemed possible, I saw the tree and the ditch and it was just a couple of miles away. He also told me that boy's going to jail.
The story I got from both the housekeeping manager and the maintenance lead was that dad helped the boy bring the smashed maintenance truck back. There's a camera at the gate and both of them are on video. The carnage in the game room was apparently from a father/son "discussion" afterwards. The maintenance lead also told me that the golf cart they use was also totaled, the steering linkage is trashed and it was probably by the same person. The dad stood there and lied to my face. I just can't figure out why.
They're both getting evicted from the property.
The game room is back in order, we have both tunes and satellite tv. The problem now is that there's nothing for maintenance to haul trash or anything needed to maintain the facility.
The boy's being charged with felony grand theft auto. Personally, I think the father should be charged with aiding and abetting after the fact.

New update, 9-3-13
Talked to the Dad today. The board of Directors is meeting today and they're going to decide whether he gets evicted or not.
Dad apparently didn't know what was going on. After the police left, he punched his son in the mouth, loaded him, a small tent and a sleeping bag in his truck and dropped him off down by the river. He just wanted to get rid of that boy. He then told the police where they can find him. The police checked the wrecked truck for fingerprints and could only find Juniors. They have closely scrutinized the video and Dad's nowhere in sight, just his truck. The Dad told me that his son turned on some music at around 4am. That was to cover the sound of Dad's truck starting. the problem is that Junior's very capable, he just gets really stupid when he gets drunk.
There was a 3 day music festival here about 3 weeks ago and Junior volunteered to run the kitchen. He did an excellent job and was about to get hired as the head cook. Then he pulls this stupid stunt.
Tomorrow, I should find out whether or not Dad got evicted. He was just starting to make a name for himself as an artist and started selling some paintings. He also said that if they let him stay, he'll donate his truck to replace the one that his son wrecked. He has a Ford 4wd at his sister's place that he'll be using.


Last update(I think),
Went to the facility today to lift some weights and go for a short hike.
While there I stopped by Dad's place for a visit. He wasn't there. No truck, trailer or dog. I guess they kicked him out.
I kinda figured they would, he's a pot smoking alcoholic and while drinking booze isn't a problem there, they have a zero tolerance drug policy. It was bound to happen sooner or later.


Latest news,
Turns out he wasn't kicked out. He was caught on security cameras at the Dollar General stealing metal racks to sell to the scrap guys. There's a warrant out for his arrest. He's on the lam, running from the cops.

Junior needs an adjustment.

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That's why his Dad brought him out there in the first place. To get the boy away from the city and the negative trouble making influences.

Its a shame. If I were his father I'd turn him in hoping that maybe he'd learn a lesson. Seems harsh, but thats a lot of damage and as you said he's done it before. I had a problem in elementary school with bringing things home that weren't mine. When the talking and spanking didnt do the trick, he told me it was time for a ride to the state police station. Naturally as I would like to assume any 3rd grade kid would do, I balled my eyes out begging him not to take me to jail the entire way. We sat across the street (there was a burger king there) from the station, and he let me sit there in my grief for a couple minutes. He turned to me after an undetermined amount of time and says, "well...looks like they are not open right now. This is your last chance." He made me promised Id stop, and I did. Ill always remember that day.

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Rant on!! People are not held accountable for their actions. As children, the parents dodge the responsibility. After they are "grown", society cuts them so much "slack" that they think they can get away with just about anything... and they do... because there are others who are worse than they are further along in their antisocial development. The solution is not pretty but the oncoming train wreck isn't either. Perhaps the train wreck will have to happen to give the "enablers" the reality check to shoot their own "spawn of the devil" and allow some of civilization to survive. A responsible person does not shirk from putting down his own rabid dog. Rant Off!!!

Dad of the year.

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have the police been called? have charges been bought?

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ask him to make good all repairs and apologize to all concerned, if he wont then press charges .
there is a lot of mixed up feelings and angst in some young people, i would try to get through to him before tossing him into the system and hanging a criminal record around his neck.

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Before crucifying the kid, make sure he is the one who did all the vandalism. Just sayin...

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The police were called and time will tell whether or not there are any charges brought.

I agree my Uncle RIP, use to always take the side of his lowlife son, my cousin. When ever the police would take him in my uncle would accuse the law of picking on him. He lived in Baltimore City at the time. My wife and I knew some people that lived around the corner from him. and knew people that bought drugs and stolen items from him. Heck he even stole and sold some of my uncles firearms and said someone else took the from where he was living. Tried to tell my uncle about it but he didn't believe us either. Just total denial the his little boy could do no bad, my cousin was about 50 at the time. After he left Md because of pending jail time he went south no sure where, he lived there for several years and then I ran into him around where I live and found out they were looking to lock him up down there also. We still had the RR address at the time, and he asked where I lived as he had an idea where that was but had to find with the RR number. I went straight home took my name off the mail box and have no doubt in my mind if he came into my house to rob me I would have shot him. To his dying day I still think my uncle thought the police were picking on his little boy. AFAIK I don't every remember the boy ever working. Don't know what ever happened to him but he must be hurting now as my uncle isn't around anymore to give him money.

Heck it could have been him B&E as I know he lived out of his truck up here and the law already knew of him.

I have (HAD-I've disowned him) like that. He's been milking the system for years (disability for a finger injury=went to gunsmith school at State expense because of a wrist injury). Been fired for punching out his boss(es). Lived with my Mom for years without paying rent nor helping maintain the yard (forget mowing=he didn't even water the lawn).

Dad died before I (we) left SoCal. Then Mom got cancer. We went down to see her and she died a couple of hours after we left her. (At her request, I cooked her last meal-tortilla soup) I left the pot on the stove, in case she wanted more. The next day we met with the funeral home. "Trashy:" complained we "left a mess". Middle bro was on an elk hunt and had no phone service. So we put the funeral home on my credit card. Middle bro came back and reimbursed me from the estate. That day, my niece saw the trashy bro going through the bags my mom had put together for the heirs (grandkids and great grandkids) and taking things from them.

He then stole my Dad's guns and tools, changed the locks the next day and lived in the house for 5 more years, without doing any repairs or yardwork (my Mom's garden was her pride and joy). He sold things from the estate and pocketed the money. Says I ripped off the estate when I paid the funeral expenses and my middle bro ripped off the estate when he made repairs for the damage "trashy" caused. We settled on back rent (After we discounted the amount, he owes me $12000) and the middle bro waived any offset, just to shut him up.

Now he's demanding $5k or he won't sign the settlement. If he objects, it'll cost us (the estate) $40K in costs. We have receipts to answer every allegation he has made.

BTW: He owes his ex-wife 15 years back child support for 3 kids--close to $70-80K. His kids' have disowned him years ago and refuse to visit with him (We did an early settlement/disbursement of their inheritance because they were turning 18 and that way the money wouldn't go through him).

Part of me says fight him but wisdom says pay him the $2500 and move on.

Out of respect for my family, I avoided the services because I knew it would have turned into a fist fight. Everyone knew why and I received several messages of understanding. Our favorite aunt called and said she wished I had gone and let him hit me because we could have pressed charges.

Back-up plan: Estate transfers of firearms must be registered with the State of Cali==Middle bro and I are reporting Dad's guns stolen from the estate after we get everything settled.

TAKE HOME MESSAGE: You don't do your kids any favors by spoiling them. Middle bro worked his way up to a VP at B of A and I worked my way through college to earn 3 degrees.

thats what a lot of parents did where I grew up in WI.
you just can't outrun your own *****.

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Use that 15 inch Crescent wrench.

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Once they reach adulthood, you can only hope that they will emulate someone having he right values. Most of they rebel against the parents-To avoid the draft I enrolled in ROTC-a combat seasoned SGM told me I had the leadership qualities to be an infantry officer-that was it-a commitment. Lord knows where I would have been if I hadn't come across that guy. My son was working his way thru college-got tired of washing dishes-and went after an ROTC scholarship-he never intended to join the Army up to that point. He's now at CGSC. BUT I know many more young people who have either never met that "example" or have run with the wrong group. At 18-they are adults.

I believe the OP said he already has a criminal record. Apparently that hasn't corrected the problem. That alone seldom does.

I agree that proof is needed to bring charges: that's still the law of the land. But this kid is heading for bigger and worse things.

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Update, go to bottom of first post.

Well, it is plain to see why the "boy" turned out the way he has.

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Yeah, this is a case where the nut didn't fall far from the tree. Dad's got missing teeth from fighting with the police and a criminal record for assault and drug charges. Mom was a crackhead until she killed herself. Dad didn't do too good of a job raising him.

Sad. But the argument that the kid wasn't raised right, while it's true and probably will be offered as a defense, doesn't relieve this young adult from responsibility for what he did. He needs to be locked up.

Unfortunately prison for most of these kids amounts to a graduate education on being a criminal.

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these two MUST be given extensive community service until ALL damages are settled

forget that jail garbage..tax payers DO NOT need to foot the bill for food, shelter, clothes, medical for these bums.

there is way too little discipline and respect in this country. when our we going to turn it around??

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Whatever happened to the fat guys holding shotguns and sitting on horseback watching convicts working at the side of the road clearing ditches and picking up trash? Oh wait! Thats cruel and unusual punishment now. How can you rehabilitate prople who have never been habilitated in the first place??

Charlie

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Still happens with longer-term inmates of our Metro jail, but without the horses and shotguns--they use pickemup trucks and sidearms now. Some of the crews are all female.

And your last question is a very good one.

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I agree. After all, unless the father went straight to the police and confessed he's just as guilty for keeping his mouth shut, as you said, aiding and abetting, possibly even impeding an investigation. Not to mention if the rec room really was between the two of them he should be charged as well. I do remember you saying that they couldnt fingerprint the room though so without a confession they are off the hook. Hopefully they are held responsible for reimbursing the cost of damage done. Sounds like he might not be in the running for father of the year.

Dustin

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They do that in the area of NC where I live (without horses). Mostly the inmates pick up roadside trash, no really hard work like on Cool Hand Luke. I suspect the inmates would rather go pick up trash on a nice day than sit in a cell, I believe I would.

I don't know whether prisons still have a gravel yard where they break rocks, but I suspect no.

Perhaps if prisoners were encouraged to work with people who had been the victims of crime some might develop an empathy.

I heard Warden Burl Cain say he had sex offenders (in his prison) who were born again Christians and were aware of the damage their actions had caused, tell him that they were glad they would live out their lives in prison because if released they would re-offend.

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They need to bring back making little rocks out of big rocks. I bet they would get tired of being in jail then. Oh wait a minuet that's cruel and unusual punishment.

That's the thing, there's a lot of work needed to be done at the facility. There's a barn where they have dances that needs a new roof. A couple of days ago, they got 2 truckloads of sand for a sand volleball court, somebody needs to spread it. Campground and trail repair and maintenance. regraveling roads, clearing drainage ditches, etc.
There's been talk of making the two of them work off the money required for repairs. The problem is they're both undependable, pot smoking, alcoholic lay abouts. I'd hate to see the taxpayers forced to pay for their room and board but these two are just burdens on society.

Junior will eventually wind up dead or a lifer in prison. Seen too many like that in my day.

All he actually did was to get the thug out of the city and not the city out of the thug. That as well as his former new community trashed by a punk who cares absolutely nothing for himself-his family nor anything not his.

Trouble is--is his kind never learn till too late. There are always exceptions-but those are rare.

That'd be my bet.

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A Hickory Switch would be even better.

Texas still has Chain Gangs and you will see around 50-70++ chained together with at least 5 officers on horseback-each armed with a shotgun, a .357 and on out-rider with all those and a sniper rifle--just in case a few decide to become Rabbits.

PS, I have seen some rehabilitate. Three come to mind-one was called "Red" because of his hair color. Red-was an avid Fisherman and lived for anything to do with fishing. When he got out of prison--he started a fish-charter business and is now pretty darn successful and has a business near Houston or Galveston.

Ramos-was another who did his time and is now a decent contributing member of the community. He loved cooking and now has a restaurant in Houston (I dont know the name of it but--its a Mexican restaurant) and he's already opened two restaurants in the area in a year of operation.

Another was a black gentleman who admitted to me of always being in trouble one way or another since he was 8. Well, he's been driving for a local bus company for about 10 years now--and has been asked to accept a promotion to supervisor--but has declined since hes making more as a driver-than he would be as a supervisor. There are success stories out there-but not as much as I would like to see.

I had two friends when i was growing up--Hans as well as Tony. Hans always was in trouble--and back in the day-he appeared before Judge Garza--who was a great Judge and person all around-as well as a great friend. The Judge decided not to send him to prison for a lengthy term--and back in the day when the military took these types--he was given a chance to join the military--or go to prison. Hans took the advice and joined the Navy. Hans recently retired as a Master Chief (I am not keen on Navy ranks but I take it he was a high-ranking NCO.

Tony--was always in trouble-=-mainly because his twin brother goaded him into it. Tony tried for years to stay away from his troubled Brother. Tony had a girlfriend who was pregnant with his kid--and all he wanted was to become a good Father. Long story short--Troy got Tony drunk one night and they both hated someone by the name of Mandy?? and Troy tried talking Tony into going and killing him-as they both hated his guts. Tony got drunk--even had Troys pistol, he came over to my house at about 2Am-my dad was still awake and let him in to see me. I was asleep but gladly had a talk with him. Tony told me Troy wanted him to go kill the guy they hated but-he figured I would talk him out of doing it as I was the only one he trusted to come to for advice.

I talked him out of it and said he should stay with me the night and sleep it off-as we had a busy day the next day (I had my own business and Tony had been working for me for about 2 months when Troy came back into his life. Tony had been doing extremely well until Troy came back around. Well, Tony went to lay down on the sofa in the living room and I went back to sleep thinking nothing more on it and expecting to wake up next morning-feed tony breakfast-and get to work. Well, im guessing at around 4am--Tony not able to sleep--left and wound up breaking into someones home while they ere there and sleeping--went into their bedroom and the male actually heard Tony grab his car keys-but Tony was gone before anything happened. He stole the car (still being very angry about what his brother wanted him to do-figured he would go on a short joy ride--but wound up meeting Troy--who gave him a couple bottle of wine--and Troy--knowing how his brother reacted when drunk--was really trying to get Tony mad enough to go kill Mandy.

Well, Tony-thankfully--didnt go look for him to kill him, but decided to drive to Corpus to get away from Troys influence. Well, Tony being blind drunk--was driving the wrong way on a local HWY--when he stopped the car--dropped his wallet out the side of the door-as well as Troys pistol, and some ID cards. Then Tony figuring the only way to bot eventually become like his brother--took his owe--as well as a person oncoming on the HWY) life by driving head-on into another car-killing that driver. This happened on the 10,000 block of Leopard Street here in CC.

Tony HAD been doing his best to stay clean--and more than proved it to me by working his behind off--with me-but his maniac twin brother--kept messing up the pond by throwing not only pebbles into it--but boulders. I still blame Troy to this day--for what his brother did-because Tony would NOT have done anything like that had he been left alone. I also blame Tony of course--but not near as much as his brother. Well--both are deceased now--Troy finally blew his brains out about 2 years after Tony died. I lost a great friend thanks to his brother-and ill never forget that.

..nor anything not his. I'd bet he ain't got a pot to p in.

I've noticed that people like that have no concept of working for something they can be proud to call their own.

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I wouldnt bet against you on it--because I would lose if I did? Money is in short supply these days--and I cant afford to lose any more of it.

Sad and true in way too many cases. I see that all the time around here. Case in point--just to go a restaurant around here-and unless you have a bathroom attendant standing in there-to keep it clean and to also discourage others from thinking of any type mischief) they will--leave Toilet paper all over the floor-stuck in toilets--hanging our of a trashcan--water running in fawcetts etc. Im at Dairy Queen right now--and just finished washing my hands after a visit in there lavatory--and ill bet that the place is a wreck already. A problem is-=-is almost nobody here cares about others property--and they trash the place out as a "normal" way of behavior.

We have an influx of renters around here and they do the same kinds of things where they live. Trash everywhere up and down the street, Junk cars and lawns that are nothing but weeds and mud.

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Exact same thing here. I guess some people were raised without having any pride and decide to continue to live that way.

New update on first post.

Maybe Dad ain't so bad after all.

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Still, I can't see him winning any Father of the Year awards.

Last update(I think), go to first post.

My neighbor is a 55 year old contractor having every night his little joint on his patio. He grows some plants in his backyard for own consumption.
It does not bother me at all as he just relaxes, smokes his weed and enjoys his evening. He used to be an alcoholic, so there were always parties, and lots of obnoxious drunk people. No he is just chilling.

I would change one alcoholic neighbor for 100 pot smokers who just do it to enjoy. The problem with pot is that often criminality goes hand in hand, but I guess as always the idiots ruin the show

Dang thats pretty ballsey in FL.... (growing in your yard).... the laws are pretty strict here (at least in the NW).

I agree though... most (not all, but most) potheads are a bit more relaxed than drunks... its the criminalization that makes em figure they might as well do other things if they are taking a chance with the pot......


Bummer about dad, but you reap what you sow... I bet he wished he had done a bit more work with jr earlier in life now....

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