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Somewhat different than ghostly phenomenon so I didn't want to hijack Reb's thread. As I expressed my feeling of open mindedness on the ghost thing I feel somewhat the same on reincarnation. But I lean slightly closer to believing on reincarnation than not believing. This is for two different reasons. Neither is 100% convincing but both are compelling.

1. I once read a book by a noted writer and researcher named Edgar Case, perhaps you have heard of him. The title of the book is "The Girl With The Blue Eyes". In the book Mr. Case tells how he heard of a man who hypnotized people in his night club act. He once hypnotized his 17 year old daughter during a house party. She began to speak foreign language and got very upset. He quickly pulled her out of it.

Later he felt like the language she had spoken was French or a dialect of French. Anyway word got around and Mr. Case contacted the man and asked him if he'd be willing to hypnotize the girl again in his presence with translators and recording equipment present. After a little back and forth the man and his daughter agreed to this so they could find out what was going on. The girl had never studied French or any other foreign language and never even met anyone who spoke French. There was absolutely no way she could have spoken French.

During the session the girl again began getting upset and speaking French. The father was reluctant but Mr. Case convinced him to allow him to question her further to get some answers. He agreed.

The girl was speaking as a young woman who live in a small mill town in French Quebec Canada.....circa late 19th century. She was married to an abusive husband and had 2 or 3 kids. Under hypnosis she was upset because her husband was beating her and the kids.....she said he was KILLING them.

Before the session ended She gave the family name and the name of the town. Mr. Case thanked the man and his daughter and told them he was going to go to that town and try to document the things the girl had said under hypnosis.

He finally managed to find the little town. The mill was many long years out of business and only the ruin of the facility still existed. The town fell into decline when the mill closed down and most of the town's population had moved off or passed away but there were still a few very old people that remembered the mill and the stories they'd heard about the family and the murders of a wife and her kids.

He even located the old abandoned house and yard where the murders occurred. I can't remember what it was but in the yard he found something that the girl had mentioned. If it comes to me I'll post it up later. And Finally he found the cemetery where they were buried and was able to identify their graves.

There are just not too many ways to explain how this young high school girl could know and tell this story in a foreign language...unless she lived it. I'm gettin' the creeps just thinkin' about it!

2. All my life I have had this one recurring dream. I used to have it fairly often, too often to suit me that is. I still have it sometimes but less and less frequently as the years pass.

The setting is some where in the deep south. Without knowing why or how I have the powerful sense that it is Mississippi. There is a wide canal and barges are pulled up and down by mules walking on the bank next to the water.

The area is poverty stricken. The people are black. Again without knowing for sure I get the sense that I am black. I walk my mule up and down the canal pulling my barge loaded with goods. The dream seems extremely real and vivid. I can feel the heat. I can smell my own sweat. I can taste the dust in the well worn foot path along the bank. I can even smell the mule poop. Realism ain't always such a good thing in dreams.

In this dream I never speak and no one speaks to me. There are lots of people around me and tents. People cooking on the ground and working on one thing or another. The dream never varies and it always starts and stops at the same place.

I put this on the very top of a long list of things I don't understand. There could be any number of simple explanations to account for this dream and I know that. But if there is such a thing as reincarnation then it COULD explain the Girl With The Blue Eyes and it could also explain my puzzling dream.

Lots of people, famous and not so famous claim to have lived before as other people. General George Patton and actress Shirley McClain to mention two, were very outspoken about it. I believe Shirley McClain even wrote a book about it. A lot of people claim to be reincarnations of famous people from the past. I have my doubts about all that but still, it is a very interesting subject. Unlike the ghost stuff I would like to know before I cash in my chips whether or not there is such a thing as reincarnation.

So.....have you ever lived before? were you someone of note? Come on, fess up. We won't laugh...
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Never had any such experience, but in Thailand they tend to be more concerned with what could happen than what already has. They say if you don't mind your p's and q's. you could come back as a flea in the anus of a dog.
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Never had any such experience, but in Thailand they tend to be more concerned with what could happen than what already has. They say if you don't mind your p's and q's. you could come back as a flea in the anus of a dog.
Well I guess I'll hope it's all hogwash then. That doesn't sound too good....
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I wouldn't say that's reincarnation so much as maybe some sort of channeling. Henry Ford said he believed in reincarnation because he thought it would be an absolute waste if the experiences of this life could not be carried over to another. When someone in church suggested to me that reincarnation was not really a Christian idea I told her I take a very expansive view of El Supremo's powers.
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I believe in the possibility of reincarnation. I have always had a feeling of having been a cowboy herding cows across the prairie, chocking on dust. When driving out and about I keep near a cattle farm I can smell them before we get close to them.

I think we are reincarnated into new lives until we get everything right and then get to go to heaven.

But then it could just be that souls get recycled. If you think about all the people that have been born and died there are a lot of souls in hell and heaven. Those places would seen to be getting pretty crowed about now. Like my grandmamma use to say there is more unknown there is known
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A long time ago, my family was playing a board game, the name of which I can't recall. My sister ended up drawing a card that said she'd be reincarnated as a dandelion on a putting green. I'm hoping for something with a little more longevity.
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"SONG OF THE RIVER"

The snow melts on the mountain
And the water runs down to the spring,
And the spring in a turbulent fountain,
With a song of youth to sing,
Runs down to the riotous river,
And the river flows on to the sea,
And the water again
Goes back in rain
To the hills where it used to be.
And I wonder if Life's deep mystery
Isn't much like the rain and the snow
Returning through all eternity
To the places it used to know.

For life was born on the lofty heights
And flows in a laughing stream
To the river below
Whose onward flow
Ends in a peaceful dream.
And so at last,
When our life has passed
And the river has run its course,
It again goes back,
O'er the selfsame track,
To the mountain which was its source.

So why prize life
Or why fear death,
Or dread what is to be?
The river ran its allotted span
Till it reached the silent sea.
Then the water harked back to the mountaintop
To begin its course once more.

So we shall run the course begun
Till we reach the silent shore,
Then revisit earth in a pure rebirth
From the heart of the virgin snow.
So don't ask why we live or die,
Or wither, or when we go,
Or wonder about the mysteries
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I just call it feeling the spirits of my ancestors.
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I'm going to guess this topic is right on the edge so I'm going to offer my opinion based on my religious beliefs as an opinion and let you guys continue with your discussion.

The Bible states very specifically that it is appointed unto each man once to die and after that to face the judgement. To me this precludes the possiblity of reincarnation.

I also believe that if Satan's chief goal is to deceive humans into rejecting the Bible as fact then decieving them into believing that you have many lives to get it right in would be a way to do that.

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Did that Casey fellow ever locate Atlantis?
Just sayin, there's lots of " see'ers" out there but not so many provers.
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I'm aware of Edgar Casey (not sure which of us is spelling it right but that is how it is pronounced). He was a noted psychic. I've known several people who have had post-life readings and it's odd how none of them were ever Hitler, Stalin, or just a plain-old murderer.

I don't disregard the possibility however.
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I'm just fascinated by dreams. Mine are really whacky. The brain is a fascinating thing. I feel like dreams are the brain doing the filing of conscious events. As bizarre as they may seem, it's all connected to something (or a conglomeration of things) that you've experienced. Kind of like a hard drive defrag.
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Did that Casey fellow ever locate Atlantis?
Just sayin, there's lots of " see'ers" out there but not so many provers.
Well Mr. Case (and it is pronounced Casey btw) did his best to uncover the mystery of the girls knowledge of the language, the town and people. I don't buy it 100% because there are just too many unknowns but if and I say IF he was honest and accurate with what he reported finding in Canada then...well....I don't know what else to believe.

Still it's interesting and fun to ponder.
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I'm aware of Edgar Casey (not sure which of us is spelling it right but that is how it is pronounced)
I believe it's spelled "Cayce", and pronounced "Casey".

Of course, that's not vital to the discussion at hand.
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I believe it's spelled "Cayce", and pronounced "Casey".

Of course, that's not vital to the discussion at hand.
By George I do believe you're right! Well, spellin' never was my long suit. Sometimes I don't know whether to blame my ignorant posts on my typin' or my spellin'.
Anyway thanks. I need all the help I can get.
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I read that book many years ago, very interesting reading. Not sure I buy into any of it.....not sure I don't either.
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Reincarnation

"What does Reincarnation mean?"
A cowpoke asked his friend.
His pal replied, "It happens when
Yer life has reached its end.
They comb yer hair, and warsh yer neck,
And clean yer fingernails,
And lay you in a padded box
Away from life's travails."

"The box and you goes in a hole,
That's been dug into the ground.
Reincarnation starts in when
Yore planted 'neath a mound.
Them clods melt down, just like yer box,
And you who is inside.
And then yore just beginnin' on
Yer transformation ride."

"In a while, the grass'll grow
Upon yer rendered mound.
Till some day on yer moldered grave
A lonely flower is found.
And say a hoss should wander by
And graze upon this flower
That once wuz you, but now's become
Yer vegetative bower."

"The posy that the hoss done ate
Up, with his other feed,
Makes bone, and fat, and muscle
Essential to the steed,
But some is left that he can't use
And so it passes through,
And finally lays upon the ground
This thing, that once wuz you."

"Then say, by chance, I wanders by
And sees this upon the ground,
And I ponders, and I wonders at,
This object that I found.
I thinks of reincarnation,
Of life and death, and such,
And come away concludin': 'Slim,
You ain't changed, all that much.'"
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I donít believe in reincarnation but I do believe in genetic memory.
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To clarify the OP, "The Search for the Girl With Blue Eyes" was written by Jess Stearn and does indeed entail everything laid out by the OP. Jess Stearn has also written about Edgar Cayce in several of his books. Cayce was a clairvoyant that died in 1945 and left numerous readings that related to future predictions and reincarnation. One of the better compilations of his "readings" is contained in a book by Noel Langly, "Edgar Cayce on Reincarnation". This book was edited by his son, Hugh Cayce, and is a fascinating read. As in all matters concerning the extra ordinary, UFO's, religion and para-normal events, I keep my own counsel. For those interested in reincarnation, seeking out this book is worth the effort.
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I'm just fascinated by dreams. Mine are really whacky. The brain is a fascinating thing. I feel like dreams are the brain doing the filing of conscious events. As bizarre as they may seem, it's all connected to something (or a conglomeration of things) that you've experienced. Kind of like a hard drive defrag.
I have heard that dreams are your brain running back up files like your computer does and some of the faces you see during your day flash across what ever part of your brain dreams and are incorperated into your dreams
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"Then say, by chance, I wanders by
And sees this upon the ground,
And I ponders, and I wonders at,
This object that I found.
I thinks of reincarnation,
Of life and death, and such,
And come away concludin': 'Slim,
You ain't changed, all that much.'"
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Reincarnation....

I ain't bettin on it.


But, I am tryin' to get to most out of this go-around!




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I'm coming back as a dog.
I wanna come back as MY dog and come back to someone like me. That would be the life.

I don't believe any of it. So to me they are all equally plausible

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I was killed during WWI or WWII. I was born in 1945, July 22 to be exact. I must have died trying to take a hill of some kind and it must have really gone wrong. I came back worrying about the hill. As a small child, I could point out and name just about every weapon used by the Marines. The only thing that I ever wanted to do as a child was be a Marine. I joined up in August of 1967 and when I graduated from college in January of 1968, left for Quantico. I was leading a Rifle Platoon in India Company, 3rd Battalion, 9th marines when the dreams started again. There's nothing worse than screaming about taking a hill when you're lying in a harbor site in the Ashau Valley and it's 3:00 in the morning and your radio operator is trying to wake you up and shut you up! I could never remember the dream when I awoke but my radio operator said I was screaming..."we've got to take this hill"!

January 22, 1969. My platoon, 1st platoon, leaves our position on the side of a mountain called Tiger Mountain. Tiger Mountain was our objective. it took a month to get to the top and secure it. 1st platoon left the company perimeter at 0700, leading the way up the mountain which was close to 3000 feet high. We were out about an hour, cutting our way up the mountain on a finger of land about 50 feet wide. I looked at my map and compass and got the strangest feeling we were walking into trouble. I stopped the platoon and called for a fire mission on a tract of land farther up the mountain. The guns on Fire Support base Cunningham couldn't fire because of resupply so I waited. A half hour later, I called for another fire mission...still a nogo. I said to hell with it and we started up the mountain again. We went 50 ft and the point man shot two NVA soldiers with an RPD who were manning a listening post. The whole side of the mountain opened up on us. First squad and myself crawled up that finger of land where the brush was so thick you could barely see a man standing 6 feet from you. When we stopped crawling, there wasn't anything growing any taller than 6 inches down the finger behind us.

We never made to the top that day. 1st squad was decimated. The 2nd platoon moved through us and assaulted only to be pushed back. Their platoon sergeant stuck his K-bar into a mahogany tree trunk to mark the forward progress. We pulled back to medevac our dead and wounded and called a flight of A4s which dropped their ordinance and left. It was 5:00 in the afternoon by this time so we set in to get ready to assault again in the morning. 3rd platoon led off at 0600 and found 40 MT bunkers. The NVA had pulled out during the night.

I never had that dream again after that day and to this day can only remember small parts of what happened on that hillside. None of us die, we just change form when we go and if we're lucky when we return, don't remember how we went during our previous existence. If we're not lucky, some of it comes back with us.

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I try not to ponder the possibility......With my luck I'll come back as a grasshopper on mowing day....
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I try not to ponder the possibility......With my luck I'll come back as a grasshopper on mowing day....
I heard about a guy who often said he wanted to come back as a stud.

He's in a snow tire in Minnesota.
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Is reintarnation coming back as Jed Clampitt?
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I dreamed last night that I sued my Sunday school teacher's wife. Some kind of real estate deal disagreement. Funny thing is, he is a real estate developer and she mostly plays tennis.
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I dreamed I was thar,
in hillbilly hebon,
oh, what a beautiful shight!
An, thar they wuz!
Hank williams and Johnny horton!
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My body get goose bumps every time I hear a radial airplane engine. When the ww2 bomber was here on tour I didn't know it. I was fishing when it was flying behind me. I knew that sound right away and turned around and sure enough it was the bomber.

I believe I died in WW 2 in Europe in the bombing campaign.
I get goose bumps but there like music to my ears. I'm connected in some way.
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To clarify the OP, "The Search for the Girl With Blue Eyes" was written by Jess Stearn and does indeed entail everything laid out by the OP. Jess Stearn has also written about Edgar Cayce in several of his books. Cayce was a clairvoyant that died in 1945 and left numerous readings that related to future predictions and reincarnation. One of the better compilations of his "readings" is contained in a book by Noel Langly, "Edgar Cayce on Reincarnation". This book was edited by his son, Hugh Cayce, and is a fascinating read. As in all matters concerning the extra ordinary, UFO's, religion and para-normal events, I keep my own counsel. For those interested in reincarnation, seeking out this book is worth the effort.
It is kinda scary how the years can get things turned around in your mind. I would have bet the farm that the book was by Cayce. The name Jess Stearn doesn't sound familiar to me at all. But I defer to your memory and you seem to have a lot more information on the subject and on the book than I do.

Thanks for all the good info. I'll be checking around to see if I can find the book by Noel Langly. It sounds like an interesting read.
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Talking about strange coincidences! When I read your initial post Walkin' Jack a copy of "Edgar Cayce on Reincarnation" was on the desk next to the keyboard. BAM!! I started reading that stuff back in the 60's and have never quit. I have a modest library of books on similar subjects, so if you can't find this particular book PM me and we will work out a temporary loan. Whether one believes in this stuff or not is a personal matter, but when one studies Cayce, Nostradamus and others in this ilk it is impossible to dismiss it out of hand. It wasn't that many years ago that people were executed for saying the earth was round.
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People make fun of the idea that we keep coming back over and over again. It's not a funny concept. Everything wears out after hard use. Everything is made out of the same elements. They're just united in different forms. Subatomic physics has proven that every thing is a waveform including us. I don't get into the concept of a God because my mind isn't advanced enough to know what it is. The ACT of dying is the hard part. Some people go through the process easily, some very hard. What comes after is an uncertainty to me and believe me I've watched all kinds of deaths and studied all forms of religion. When I underwent therapy, my therapist had witnessed one regression, ie, the patient was taken back to her former life and death. It wasn't pretty because life was terribly hard for her before and so was her death.

When we are very young, many of us have trace memories of former existences but as our family trains us to fit into their view of existence, it fades away and is replaced by things they want you to learn and ways they want you to act. Some people though, can't forget things that came back with them. They may not understand them, but they are there with them in the back of their minds and come out when similar situations occur again, especially if they are high stress situations. Just watch your little kids when they play with imaginary friends. Watch the fear on their faces when they awake from night mares they shouldn't have because they're to young to have experienced fear.
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I'm aware of Edgar Casey (not sure which of us is spelling it right but that is how it is pronounced). He was a noted psychic. I've known several people who have had post-life readings and it's odd how none of them were ever Hitler, Stalin, or just a plain-old murderer.

I don't disregard the possibility however.
I think it's Cayce. Been awile since I've seen him mentioned. But Search under that name and see if it's him.
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Of all the things in this life death scares me the most. It's not the dying it the not knowing what is next. I have faith in my higher power But.......
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How is it some can believe in reincarnation but believing in God seems like a far out fairy tale to them?
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"It is appointed unto man once to die, and then the judgement."
I was raised Catholic. I still consider myself Christian but my beliefs are quite a bit different then "Catholic" these days.

Anyway, I believe that the bible / Jesus' teachings are the dumbed down version. I imagine Jesus as like a rocket scientist trying to explain basic quantum physics to monkeys. The lessons can be truth and still leave open wild possibilities. The human mind is limited and God's grace is not. For me, faith is accepting the fact that the human mind is simply incapable of understanding the full breadth of reality beyond life.

I remember from Sunday school the classic "test God" type questions like: If God is all powerful can he make a rock so heavy he can't lift it? The priest usually answered by telling us not to test God. I believe that if God wills it to be then it will be so even if it doesn't make sense or seems contradictory to us. God can make that rock so heavy he can't lift it, and then he will lift it if he wants to.

Same goes for reincarnation, ghosts, and any other afterlife hocus pokus. I accept on faith that there is probably a vast ocean of possibilities beyond my ability to know or understand and that if reality appears contradictory to the lessons of the Bible, it is only my understanding that is lacking.

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Does anyone seriously believe in reincarnation? Seriously???
Actually, seriously??? Come on now.
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Yes!

Just as strongly as I believe I'm looking at this computer screen at 3:00 in the morning because I can't sleep again!
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Oreo, Sir you expressed many of my thoughts and feeling about God and the possibilities of other things beyond our understanding. I think that sometimes give some of us glimpse of the other possibilities.

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This thread turned out some really interesting comments. It's good to see another's point of view. Kind of exciting to ponder the possibilities.
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