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The ethics of quill removal
I've never seen a Porcupine; I guess they're not able to fight off the fire ants that we have. Last night I was watching one of the Alaskan shows and they showed the removal of quills from a dog, a horse, and a calf. The dog and the calf were no big deal. The horse was almost unbarable to watch. There were 30 or more quills that went completely through the joint above the hoof. They had to tie one end of the horse to a tree and the other end to a tractor or something like that. They pulled the legs in a hog tie fashon to render the horse immobile. Then they went to work with a pair of pliers. A vet with anesthea would have been ethical. The unassited removal was brutal. Wouldn't an '06 to the brain been better?
The same bunch was looking for a moose a few shows back. The death of a horse could have been so justified. The dog and the cow were hurt but the horse was tortured. I might be becoming a tree hugger in my age.
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I hate to see...
I hate to see any animal that has come across a porcupine and often they get it in the face.
bark bark....."Spot, leave that alone".... bark bark..."Spot I said to leave that alone!" ....bark bark bark...... "SPOT!!!!!!!..."....AROOOUP!!!!
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Standard operating procedeure. I have lived most of my life with the little quill pig. About everyone who live here has had a pet with a face full of quills. Inhumane would to kill some pet simply because he may experience a few minutes of pain. If that was the case, every trip to the dentist could be a choice between a bullet and a filling.
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12-06-2013, 09:05 PM
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TV is not always what it appears. It is easier to pull cut quills than whole ones they have a hollow that holds air inside. I am not sure that animals feel pain in the same way that we do.
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12-06-2013, 09:19 PM
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Wells, from my experience of 'doctorin' horses and cattle....
It ain't always pretty, sometime you just got to stretch em out and tie em down.
An ol cow will fight ya while you try to help her deliver her calf, but soon
forgets the whole matter once the lit'l bugger is on the ground and she is busy lickin it off.
Shooting a good horse is a very hard thing to do...I know, I've had to kill a horse or two.
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12-06-2013, 09:59 PM
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Like Dave says, stretchin' one out like that serves two purposes.. It keeps the critter quiet and from hurtin' itself and hurtin' the fellers that are tryin' to help.
I've pulled a lot of quills over the years.
It looks worse than it is, and the immediate relief the critter feels when you get those posionous quills out is readily apparent.
Mother Nature ain't always kind and sometimes the cure isn't as pleasant as we would like. You won't find an old hand that don't flinch a little in sympathy for that critter ever quill he pulls, but he knows it's gotta be done.
Those quills are barbed and will continue to work their way deeper and deeper if not removed. I have seen wildlife that obviously died from starving or having vital organs penetrated by quills.
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12-06-2013, 09:59 PM
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Years ago up on the ranch, dad would sop the quills with vinegar and let them soak it in. It softened them up and shrank 'em down and made pullin' a whole lot more bearable. T.V. today, even reality T.V., is a lot of scripted drama that plays on emotion not practicality.
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Seems a heckuva lot more ethical than leaving them in.
If you see me with quills, please do not shoot me.
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Maybe we need a law making the possession quills a felony. That should solve the problem.
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Many of you may have seen this video before: A crow perched on a fence and squawked until a lady came out and pulled the porcupine quills from it. Quite amazing, to me.
LiveLeak.com - Woman pulls porcupine quills from crow's face
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Found this on another forum.
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Is this an acupuncture treatment for a hangover?
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helped pull quills on dogs before, then the dog is mad as hell at the porcupine and hunts him down, then youre back to pullin quills.
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I think that young feller wanted him a coonskin cap but couldn't find a coon so he chose a porcupine instead. I doubt he makes that error of judgment agin.
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To the op. I am sure it wasn't pretty and yes if it was my horse I would have a vet at least drug the animal. I don't see how quills could cripple a horse, at least not if they got treated within a reasonable timeframe. So a bullet to the brain wouldn't be the right call either. The horse probably was lame for a month or so but I bet would make a full recovery. As long as a horse can still feed itself it will get better.
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I knew a guy that poked a skunk once. Looks like this guy has him beat when it comes to stupid. I think the only ethical solution is to put him down or at least neuter him for the sake of humanity.
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I've felt sorry for every critter I ever encountered with quills in it, but I just don't feel a thing for that guy. I can't think of a single way he got into that situation that don't involve stupid.
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The show you saw was Alaska the last Frontier. The family are homesteaders. They are hours from any town, so you don't just call a vet. They live off the land and handle problems as they arise.
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Porkypines and skunks are real common around here, I had a buddy that owned a dog that would not leave a porkypine alone regardless of how many times we had to rassle him down and cut the ends off the quills and pull them out with a pair of pliers...I know I helped him twice and it wasn't any fun at all. Them quills will work themselves clean through an animal or so I'm told by old timers that seen a dog a scratchin and went to see what it was and it ended up being the pointy end of a quill that had worked its way clean through the dogs face. Contrary to some b.s. a porkypine cannot throw his quills but can swat you with his tail real quick, they will also lunge at you with their back all up and bristly with quills. My cousin and I used near a box of .22 shorts on a big ole porky up in a snag before he finally fell out from loss of blood. Grandpa came a loping down the road to see what all the fuss was about and showed us how to skin out the legs, giving us an earful about killing porkypines with anything but a big stick and smack on the end of the nose. He didn't care for them and I remember a time when a couple of them ate a good portion of the salty part of his favorite out house, took them legs down to grandma and she fried them up for supper, was pretty good with carrots, taters and gravy...bisquits as well.
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no porkys where i live but i have pulled out some sea erchin spines, out of a fellow divers foot, he was happyer when they were gone he said hurt like heck
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I had my English Setter bite a porkie once and got a mouth and face full of quills. I gave the porkie two blasts with a 12 gauge and only animal I ever killed in anger but I was young too.
It took my parents and I to hold the dog down and pull the quills and she didn't like it one bit. Next time we saw one in the woods I told Penny "no" and she looked back at me like to say I'm not stupid twice Dad.
Anyone that hunts a dog should carry a dog first aid kit, first aid book and pliers for pulling such things as quills.
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So you would rather kill the horse than put it through a few minutes of discomfort so it could go on living the rest of it's life?
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Some folks can learn from the advice "leave the porcupine alone" and some folks just have to find out for themselves.
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Some folks can learn from the advice "leave the porcupine alone" and some folks just have to find out for themselves.
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The more I see of that picture I believe they are self applied. None appear to be very deep and all are in the forehead. Unless he was kissing miss porcupine I think they are self applied which makes him the bigger fool.
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I blame hormones lol
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Saw a dog....
From .the tip of his nose to his eyes were a solid mass of quills. You couldn't see any of his face.
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You mean kinda......
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Years ago up on the ranch, dad would sop the quills with vinegar and let them soak it in. It softened them up and shrank 'em down and made pullin' a whole lot more bearable. T.V. today, even reality T.V., is a lot of scripted drama that plays on emotion not practicality.
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You mean kinda like the news???
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An injured/scared horse is an extremely dangerous animal. Very few are sufficiently docile to do much doctoring without restraint. I have owned only a couple in my life out of more than 30.
Totally aside from the fact that the subjects of the show are supposed to live in a remote area and a Vet. was unlikely to be available, horses are also very fragile animals in spite of their size and strength. They have a great propensity to die as a result of being administrated any anaesthetic except for topical ones. As a result the only times anaesthetics are resorted to is in cases where serious surgery is to be performed, and the risk is acceptable or unavoidable.
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I had my English Setter bite a porkie once and got a mouth and face full of quills. I gave the porkie two blasts with a 12 gauge and only animal I ever killed in anger but I was young too.
It took my parents and I to hold the dog down and pull the quills and she didn't like it one bit. Next time we saw one in the woods I told Penny "no" and she looked back at me like to say I'm not stupid twice Dad.
Anyone that hunts a dog should carry a dog first aid kit, first aid book and pliers for pulling such things as quills.
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we have porcupines here ,some, but we have cactus everywhere! i agree 100% about hiking with a leatherman tool or similar.
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