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Old 12-18-2013, 07:15 AM
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Is this true ? Guns that have more then 8 rounds are not legal in the State
New Jersey. If you have a 1911 gun all you have to do is buy a 7 round clip or can you just put in 7 rounds in your 12 round clip?
One way or the other, you will be able to keep your 1911 gun.
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Old 12-18-2013, 07:36 AM
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According to Handgunlaw.us as of 12/18/2013 the New Jersey restriction is 15 rounds. (And 1911's are fed from magazines).

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New Jersey prohibits the manufacture, transport, shipment, sale or disposal of large capacity ammunition magazines, unless the magazine is intended to be used for authorized military or law enforcement purposes. N.J. Rev. Stat § 2C:39-9h. New Jersey law defines “large capacity ammunition magazine” as a box, drum, tube or other container which is capable of holding more than 15 rounds of ammunition to be fed continuously and directly into a semi-automatic firearm. Section 2C:39-1y
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A 1911 in 45acp only holds 7 rounds in the mag anyway. Not sure about ones with the sub calipers like 38super and 9mm, but why carry a 1911 thats not a 45? Make as much sense as going to New Jersey. LOL They do make extended mags and have made some guns modified to handle staggered round magazines. But 99% hold 7 in the mag and one in the spout.

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Big deal. Everyone knows that revolvers are better anyway.
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Old 12-18-2013, 09:40 AM
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According to Handgunlaw.us as of 12/18/2013 the New Jersey restriction is 15 rounds. (And 1911's are fed from magazines).

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New Jersey prohibits the manufacture, transport, shipment, sale or disposal of large capacity ammunition magazines, unless the magazine is intended to be used for authorized military or law enforcement purposes. N.J. Rev. Stat § 2C:39-9h. New Jersey law defines “large capacity ammunition magazine” as a box, drum, tube or other container which is capable of holding more than 15 rounds of ammunition to be fed continuously and directly into a semi-automatic firearm. Section 2C:39-1y
I should of said New York laws. I wanted to know N.J.also because my son lives there. I had a Sig 226 -40 cal. that holds 12 rounds. It's the only 40 i owned-- I just sold it anyway.
How about my Sig 226--9 mm-Double stack clip-holds 16 rounds... Would i be able to take that gun up to New York
if we move there ? Its the clip that not legal not the gun ??
I know i would have to leave the gun at my Daughter house in Delaware and once i get my gun lic. in N.Y.
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Old 12-18-2013, 09:43 AM
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Big deal. Everyone knows that revolvers are better anyway.
Oops! And away we go...
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Old 12-18-2013, 10:13 AM
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I wouldn't go carrying there if that's why you're asking

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Disposing of them is illegal? as in tossing them in the trash? or destroying them? So what are you supposed to do if you have or find one? If it is illegal to posses it and to get rid of it - you are effectively trapped.
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Old 12-18-2013, 10:25 AM
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9mm and 38 Super 1911's have 9 round Magazines. 1917's have 6 round clips. Ivan
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Old 12-18-2013, 10:41 AM
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Do not bring your guns to NY or NJ if you have anything "high capacity" Especially NJ. If caught it will NOT end well. There are no 'look the other way'. There was even a case where a man spent 7 years in prison for legally having NJ legal firearms. Yes you read that right.

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Arik, the case you are talking about was way more involved then just some guy getting convicted for having guns.

Your magazines are limited to 15 rounds in NJ. As far as clips are concerned there is no law, only magazines that feed bullets into the chamber are regulated.
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I would urge you to google the NYS safe act and related NY carry laws and understand their content if you plan on getting a CC permit.

Short answers are...

NO states reciprocate with NY. You cannot carry in NY with any other state's CC permit.

A maximum of 7 (plus a chambered round) in a semi auto pistol

10 round mags are still legal but see above

Even a NY carry permit is not valid in NYC or the surrounding boroughs

Your Sig mag is illegal regardless of # of rounds loaded into it. Find 10 round or less mags and your Sig would be legal to carry.

Permits are issued through the counties and current wait times for approval range from 6 months to over a year.

Your thoughts of moving to NY should be reconsidered. We used to have a ton of things going in our favor, but that was then and this is now. The 2A stuff is just the tip of the ice burg. Our governor is no Jack Markell.
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Disposing of them is illegal? as in tossing them in the trash? or destroying them? So what are you supposed to do if you have or find one? If it is illegal to posses it and to get rid of it - you are effectively trapped.
Kind of revealing of the driving purpose, ain't it?
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Disposing of them is illegal? as in tossing them in the trash? or destroying them? So what are you supposed to do if you have or find one? If it is illegal to posses it and to get rid of it - you are effectively trapped.
sounds like an opportunity to see what this crowd funding thing is all about and sue the state.
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CO has the same idiotic law. That's why 40+ sheriffs sued the state because it is unenforceable. A judge threw that part of the case out.
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CO has the same idiotic law. That's why 40+ sheriffs sued the state because it is unenforceable. A judge threw that part of the case out.

So, does this mean that Colorado has no ammo limit law for magazines?
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I have a solution...buy 4 8 round M27s, carry two on the belt and two in shoulder holsters. 32 rounds at your immediate disposal!
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LMAO @ NYC. They dont mind the government or LEO owning firearms. They just have a problem with the sheeple protecting themselves.

Its like the seat belt law here in Louisiana. As a citizen its the law to wear a seat belt while in a motor vehicle on a state high way.....However, if u are a LEO u are exempt from said law.......Now does anyone care to explain to me what makes them think the LEO is superman? Also as a LEO u are allowed to have window tint thats basically like black spray paint. But as a citizen u can only have a certain % tint.......Once again, can anyone explain to me what makes them think the LEO is superman. How can he see out of dark tint any better than I can when my vision is perfect?

Oh wait, the window tint is for his protection. (they will claim)
Seriously, well so is mine.

No, its so no one can see who is in his car and do him harm.
Seriously, his car is moving. If u want to do harm maybe u should go for the driver side (u think).

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smitty357- it's very simple, law makers and law enforcers are not subject to the laws made for everyone else. been like that for along time now.
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Arik, the case you are talking about was way more involved then just some guy getting convicted for having guns.

Your magazines are limited to 15 rounds in NJ. As far as clips are concerned there is no law, only magazines that feed bullets into the chamber are regulated.
C'mon your gonna confuse some one with this stuff.
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Old 12-18-2013, 04:59 PM
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smitty357- it's very simple, law makers and law enforcers are not subject to the laws made for everyone else. been like that for along time now.
So basically, they can just run around town shooting people at random when they get bored and they dont have to answer to anyone. Sounds about right.
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No we still have a 15 round limit. It is illegal to transfer them or to bring them in state. But who knows what you owned before the law? What keeps someone from driving into Texas and brining them back? That is why the seriffs are saying that it is uninforceable.

We voted to recall two legislators for not listening to their constituents when we said we didn't want this but they voted for it anyway. Different people are in place now but not enough to overturn the bills. A third was going to be recalled but she resigned before the vote which means her party gets to name her replacement.

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So, does this mean that Colorado has no ammo limit law for magazines?
I didn't intend to bring politics into this thread, merely reporting what has occurred in CO. I left the party names out of it.

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Disposing of them is illegal? as in tossing them in the trash? or destroying them? So what are you supposed to do if you have or find one? If it is illegal to posses it and to get rid of it - you are effectively trapped.
They want you to turn them in at your local police station. That way they have a record of you and your gun

Seriously though, if you threw them in the trash someone else could then get them and use them. Same thing if you didn't sufficiently "destroy" them - someone could possibly repair and use them. They want them turned in so they can make SURE they aren't useable - by slagging them in a steel smelting furnace.
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LMAO @ NYC. They dont mind the government or LEO owning firearms. They just have a problem with the sheeple protecting themselves.

Its like the seat belt law here in Louisiana. As a citizen its the law to wear a seat belt while in a motor vehicle on a state high way.....However, if u are a LEO u are exempt from said law.......Now does anyone care to explain to me what makes them think the LEO is superman? Also as a LEO u are allowed to have window tint thats basically like black spray paint. But as a citizen u can only have a certain % tint.......Once again, can anyone explain to me what makes them think the LEO is superman. How can he see out of dark tint any better than I can when my vision is perfect?

Oh wait, the window tint is for his protection. (they will claim)
Seriously, well so is mine.

No, its so no one can see who is in his car and do him harm.
Seriously, his car is moving. If u want to do harm maybe u should go for the driver side (u think).
In case someone has not replied to this by the time I do--here goes. LEOs are exempt from having to wear seat belts for obvious reasons like: Needing the ability to vacate vehicle faster due to not being impeded by having to unbuckle said seat belt kind of thing. You dont want to be under fire or other and having to worry about a seat belt.

To me wearing a seat belt is no prob, ive been automatically wearing them before that law was passed in Texas. If you dont like seat belts, ride a bike or take the bus.
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Would i be able to take that gun up to New York if we move there ?
I have friends who live in NY and I understand why they stay there - but why would anyone want to move there until they fix the stupid laws they have in place regarding firearms?

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LMAO @ NYC. They dont mind the government or LEO owning firearms. They just have a problem with the sheeple protecting themselves.
The Sullivan Act, the original NYC gun control law was intended to prevent law abiding citizens from carrying firearms. Permits were required and the only people who could get them were criminals with connections to politicians.

It's only gotten worse since 1911.
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Arik, the case you are talking about was way more involved then just some guy getting convicted for having guns.

Your magazines are limited to 15 rounds in NJ. As far as clips are concerned there is no law, only magazines that feed bullets into the chamber are regulated.
I will check on all the gun laws. I never went jail and i don't plan on it at 60. There are two guns i want to keep if i move to N.Y. Sig P226x6L1--- Wilson Combat Spec -9 --That gun hold 16 rounds. After i get my N.Y. permit i will have my guns shipped to me in N.Y. All will be good ? Y I started to read the laws and you can have a 10 round magazines with only 7 bullets . I call Sig up and they do sell 10 round mags. but not 7 rounds yet. That's because there are only one or two states that have that law. Again -i will check on all this if we move.

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NY Safe Act,,
No magazine allowed w/a capacity over 10rds.
No Grandfathering of older 'pre-ban magazines.
Any magazine that has a capacity of over 10 rds will be contraband.
You can take existing hi-cap mags and 'permanetly modify' them so as to hold 10 rds or under. The modification must not be easily undone so as to be able to quickly convert the mag back to hi-cap.
Pinning, crimping, cutting, ect seem to be the prefered methods. Simply placing a spacer inside is not acceptable.

You can only legally load that 10rd capacity magazine with 7 rds.

You are 'allowed' to load the full 10rd capacity when at a sanctioned range (what ever that is).

High capacity magazines designated as 'Antique' whereby they are 50yrs old or over (sounds very familiar to C&R but the lawmakers guys were tired when they passed this), AND must not be useable in any other firearm newer than 50yrs old, CAN be legally possessed in their original Hi-Cap form.
BUT they must be registered with the NYSP AND if used,,never loaded w/more than 7 rds of ammunition.
NYSP says M1 Carbine magazines of original(?) WW2 mfg'r fall in this catagory.
I asked them on the SAFE ACT hot line since the Universal carbines and Enforcer pistols were made well after the 50yr 'Antique'/c&r rule and wouldn't they be an 'any other firearm newer than 50yrs/old that the M1 carbine mags could be used in'.
There was a pause and response of 'That doesn't matter. The M1 Carbine is a War Relic.
I trust all SuperTroopers out there got the memo about the off the cuff decision of War Relic designation.
What a mess.

Any registered A/W or 'Antique' Hi-Cap magazine must be re-registered every 5 years or they come and take it away. (Because you registered it and they know you have it)

There are separate A/W designations for Rifle, Shotgun and Handgun.
A/W are one issue.
Hi-Cap magazines are a separate issue.

Are you sure you want to live here?

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Big deal. Everyone knows that revolvers are better anyway.
Does this law mean that my 16 round revolver is prohibited?
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Just a couple of questions. If a law enforcement officer from out of state visits New York City while on vacation, can he carry his gun?

If a law enforcement officer from out of state goes to New York City on official business, can he carry his gun?
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What we need is a belt feed adapter for hand guns!

Maybe one of these 3D Gun Printer Gurus can imagine one.
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Big deal. Everyone knows that revolvers are better anyway.
I am a Revolver guy also. With all the Rev. i have, there is no law saying i can't use them. The problem is with my Semi and 1911 guns.What i am doing is down sizing now before we move. I'm losing at lot of money already. I bought a Sig P226 -40 tacpac new for $1080 and try to sell it on armslist and on a few site for $800. Not one hit.[ It was still new -never fired !!!] I ended selling to a friend for $600 and i gave him all my 40 ammo also. It was my only 40 so i had no use for the ammo. I gave away [Free] my 1911 ruger to my son in law- I still have 14 semi guns that shoot over 13 rounds. Sig doesn't make a 7 round clip yet.... I'm so sorry i bought these guns. I'm staying with Revolvers ONLY !!!!
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There are two guns i want to keep if i move to N.Y. Sig P226x6L1--- Wilson Combat Spec -9 --That gun hold 16 rounds. After i get my N.Y. permit i will have my guns shipped to me in N.Y. All will be good ? Y I started to read the laws and you can have a 10 round magazines with only 7 bullets . I call Sig up and they do sell 10 round mags. but not 7 rounds yet. That's because there are only one or two states that have that law. Again -i will check on all this if we move.
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Wilson does not make reduced capacity mags for the KZ9/Spec 9 line, and for good reason. There is a long history of reduced capacity mags not working correctly, and that is such a limited production line of pistols anyway that there is no measurable market. It is not going to happen, and you will for all intents and purposes be unable to make use of this fine pistol in NY. (I have a KZ 9 and really like it, although I rarely carry it anymore.)
While Sig does make the 10 round mags, the long history of problems with such mags seems to be universal. The guns were not designed around them.
The same crud applies to retirees under LEOSA - only NY and federal retirees are exempted, which was a later amendment. I was in Rochester a few weeks ago for a family event and did not take my G33, even though I could have down loaded it 2 rounds. I did not want to have a moment of cranial flatulence. I took revolvers.
I know you have family reasons to want to move back, but frankly, I would encourage them to move and never go back, or least do the visiting to you, someplace rational, like Idaho. If you do move there, keep most of your guns out of state, get non-resident carry licenses for the rest of the north east (I don't think RI does that, but ME/MA/CT/NH do, and you don't need a license in VT), the Florida and Utah non-resident licenses, and remember not to carry the standard capacity guns back into NY.
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Wilson does not make reduced capacity mags for the KZ9/Spec 9 line, and for good reason. There is a long history of reduced capacity mags not working correctly, and that is such a limited production line of pistols anyway that there is no measurable market. It is not going to happen, and you will for all intents and purposes be unable to make use of this fine pistol in NY. (I have a KZ 9 and really like it, although I rarely carry it anymore.)
While Sig does make the 10 round mags, the long history of problems with such mags seems to be universal. The guns were not designed around them.
The same crud applies to retirees under LEOSA - only NY and federal retirees are exempted, which was a later amendment. I was in Rochester a few weeks ago for a family event and did not take my G33, even though I could have down loaded it 2 rounds. I did not want to have a moment of cranial flatulence. I took revolvers.
I know you have family reasons to want to move back, but frankly, I would encourage them to move and never go back, or least do the visiting to you, someplace rational, like Idaho. If you do move there, keep most of your guns out of state, get non-resident carry licenses for the rest of the north east (I don't think RI does that, but ME/MA/CT/NH do, and you don't need a license in VT), the Florida and Utah non-resident licenses, and remember not to carry the standard capacity guns back into NY.
What your saying-- Don't buy the 10 round clips from Sig ?
I heard other 10 round clips have problems but the 10 mag from sig have problems ?; [what kind of problems ?] You think i want to move --hell NO !!! Its the wife. I'm downsizing my semi anyway but i do want to keep my X6-W.C. spec -9 SW-41 Sig 226 scorpion 1911-45 that's 4 guns. The other 10 i will sell. The guns i want to keep,i will leave at my Daughters house in De. and when i come to visit her, i can shoot them. Here is why the wife wants to move. My sons baby.
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...Now does anyone care to explain to me what makes them think the LEO is superman?...
I'll give it a try, but something tells me you will never understand.

That LEO, that you seem to despise, goes to work every day with a target on his head. People like you, but with worse intentions, would go out of their way to kill that policeman. But you pay him to go out there and stand in the way of a bullet that might kill you and your family.

Let's see, stand in the way of bullets for the same pay as Clark Kent. Kind of sounds like Superman. Yet has people with your attitude disrespecting him in public forums because you feel mistreated because you can't have window tint as dark as you want.

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Just a couple of questions. If a law enforcement officer from out of state visits New York City while on vacation, can he carry his gun?

If a law enforcement officer from out of state goes to New York City on official business, can he carry his gun?
I think now you can. Didn't Bush pass a law that all officers can be armed? I can tell you that before if you were an off duty officer caught with a carry gun in NJ you were a criminal. And by before I mean even in the 90s

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I have friends who live in NY and I understand why they stay there - but why would anyone want to move there until they fix the stupid laws they have in place regarding firearms?

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I lived in NY many years ago and it was bad then. It's only gotten worse so to say not to move there until they fix their stupid laws is like waiting for cows and pigs to fly. That'll happen first.
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I will check on all the gun laws. I never went jail and i don't plan on it at 60. There are two guns i want to keep if i move to N.Y. Sig P226x6L1--- Wilson Combat Spec -9 --That gun hold 16 rounds. After i get my N.Y. permit i will have my guns shipped to me in N.Y. All will be good ? Y I started to read the laws and you can have a 10 round magazines with only 7 bullets . I call Sig up and they do sell 10 round mags. but not 7 rounds yet. That's because there are only one or two states that have that law. Again -i will check on all this if we move.
now ... why would anyone want to go and do a thing like this in the first place
Most, who are in NY, and posting here, are trying to find the door OUT
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I think now you can. Didn't Bush pass a law that all officers can be armed? I can tell you that before if you were an off duty officer caught with a carry gun in NJ you were a criminal. And by before I mean even in the 90s

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The same crud applies to retirees under LEOSA - only NY and federal retirees are exempted (from the capacity stuff), which was a later amendment. I was in Rochester a few weeks ago for a family event and did not take my G33, even though I could have down loaded it 2 rounds. I did not want to have a moment of cranial flatulence. I took revolvers. We did get LEOSA amended to overcome the NJ silliness about ammo types.
Active officers, on vacation, is the same as retirees. Only official business are they exempted from the capacity crud.

As for 10 round Sig mags - I dunno. I have been of the impression that the reduced capacity mags of all makes have suffered from reliability flaws. I may be less than objective due to my repugnance for such.

Seat belts: are you kidding me? We do not have such an exemption here, and if we did, most savvy agencies would mandate seat belt use by policy. (Mine did.) I've seen training materials about how quickly we can undo them and move; I have been kept safe through crummy maneuvers a couple times by wearing one, and crashes are a far greater risk than assaults. (And if you go to a few messy wrecks, you will find that seat belts really do save lives ... the only people who I saw who died with belts on were hit at speed by other heavy vehicles, or other incidents of staggering force.) However, I will admit that I would undo mine as I came to a stop so I could get out in a hurry if needed. I suppose technically the vehicle was still moving, but that would be petty to enforce on anyone. What dumb example and discussion.
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I'll give it a try, but something tells me you will never understand.

That LEO, that you seem to despise, goes to work every day with a target on his head. People like you, but with worse intentions, would go out of their way to kill that policeman. But you pay him to go out there and stand in the way of a bullet that might kill you and your family.

Let's see, stand in the way of bullets for the same pay as Clark Kent. Kind of sounds like Superman. Yet has people with your attitude disrespecting him in public forums because you feel mistreated because you can't have window tint as dark as you want.

Did I have any luck explaining it? Or do you really have to grease the slope with statements like -
I never once said i despise them. My family is full of them at the moment, lol. But ok so lets try this......Here in Louisiana, since we seem to for some stupid reason have a murder rate thats 10x's higher than the rest of the country. Down here its not the police who are killed every night, its the people of the city. So although an officers job is tough. Are they saying that as it isnt touch being a citizen. I mean from this stand point, it seems the citizens are the ones running around town with a target on their head. So why are they saying the citizens shouldnt own a firearm? You mean its ok for a LEO to protect himself on the job. But not ok for a citizen to protect themself from being robbed or shot in the local wal-mart parking lot?......I understand the LEO job, but I dont see him as being any "better" or "above the law" than any of the citizens.
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...Here in Louisiana, since we seem to for some stupid reason have a murder rate thats 10x's higher than the rest of the country.
You're the highest in murder rates in 2012, but you're not even 10x as highest as the lowest, New Hampshire.

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Um, no, you don't. No, you don't.


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now ... why would anyone want to go and do a thing like this in the first place
Most, who are in NY, and posting here, are trying to find the door OUT
I lived in N.Y. The Hamptons, Long Island for 50 years all my family is there. I got hurt 9-11 and had to retire. Not having the house paid off and having large bills,we had to move to De. Thinking my family would come down. Didn't happen. Now that my kids are having kids-my wife wants to be near them. You think my wife is thinking about the gun laws--NOT !!!!
Can we afford living in N.Y. ---NOT !!!!
My son is buying a house for us and we are going to rent from him. That we can do. I don't need a tax wright off any more. Renting is fine. If you have kids and grand kids you can understand. As far as my guns go. I'm screwed !!!!
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You're the highest in murder rates in 2012, but you're not even 10x as highest as the lowest, New Hampshire.
My point was, as u can tell from the rates. The police arent the only ones running around with a target on their heads. And of those rates, do u think there were more LEO killed or citizens killed?

On another note, here lately we have seen tragic events where LEO or people with military/LEO training have went bad and did terrible things........So whos to say the LEO and/or military running around with guns wouldnt some day decide to do terrible things to unarmed citizens. So we just give these people guns and "hope" they never go bad. Yeah thats it.

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..So whos to say the LEO and/or military running around with guns wouldnt some day decide to do terrible things to unarmed citizens. So we just give these people guns and "hope" they never go bad. Yeah thats it.
Well we let 'em have those dark tint windows in hopes that will make them think twice when they decide to do all those terrible things to unarmed citizens.


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