is this stolen valor?

[kimporter]

company i work for goes thru temps like a hot knife thru butter,they come and go so much we dont even learn their names,well last night we got one that made me laugh all night.a few of us are vets and we sit together at lunch and breaks and shoot the breeze,well this new guy hears us and decides to join in, starts by telling about his army experience's, tells us when he joined up he got to choose what unit he wanted because his ggg-grandfather was a general in the civil war and later died fighting indians,well this got my interest and i had to ask,"wow who was your ancestor",and without missing a beat he replyed,George A Custer,well i bout spewed coffee everywhere as everyone else was ohh-ing and ah-ing,as he left break room one coworker asked me what the heck was so funny about him being related to GAC,so i told him, the custers had no children

[gm272gs]

Now that is funny.

It's not technically stolen valor under the law (I think) unless this mook talks about medals he has (supposedly) earned. I haven't really read the law, just the summary.

[snubbyfan]

I would have said, "yeah, well my ggggrandfather was the Indian that killed him.

[feralmerril]

Hate to get technical, I believe there was a book title something like "Son of morning star" that said he had a indian mistress that had a son by him.
I have no idea if it was truth, fiction or just rumor. I know that him and his wife libby didnt have children.

Kind of reminds me of the story of some general that retired and wanted to keep his orderly. Told him he wanted to keep things just like when they were active. The first morning the orderly came in and woke the general up, slapped the generals wife on the butt and said its back to the village for you baby!

[moe smith]

Either way, it would probably be a good idea to try and keep him out of management.

[zzzippper]

That's more sad than stolen valor. Apparently his story is well practiced.

[MOONDAWG]

My GGGGGrand Father was an Old Indian fighter.

He only fought Old Indians.

[handejector]

Originally Posted by kimporter

is this stolen valor?

No, it's just BS.

[amazingflapjack]

Yeah- I got to go to A.I.T. infantry at Ft McClellan, Al. (Tiger Land) because my GG Grand father was a POW in the civil war-oh wait-he was in the Confederacy. Never mind...

[Jessie]

Originally Posted by feralmerril

Hate to get technical, I believe there was a book title something like "Son of morning star" that said he had a indian mistress that had a son by him.
I have no idea if it was truth, fiction or just rumor. I know that him and his wife libby didnt have children.

Kind of reminds me of the story of some general that retired and wanted to keep his orderly. Told him he wanted to keep things just like when they were active. The first morning the orderly came in and woke the general up, slapped the generals wife on the butt and said its back to the village for you baby!

I'm sorry, but unless Libby Custer was barren, I couldn't think of any other woman I would like to father a child with!

[Retired LTC, USAR]

He's not stealing valor, just showing how ?????? he is.

[UncaGrunny]

Ancestor can be a slippery term.

"ggg-Grandfather" is specific enough that he'd really have to be a direct descendant for his story not to be bullfeathers, but I've many times run into people who talk about "ancestors" that were relatives but not directly in their line of descent.

Case in point from my own family; my paternal grandmother swore up and down that Admiral Sir Henry Morgan was an ancestor of ours. But the man famously had no children.

Turns out we're related via Henry's brother, Charles. So he's a "relative" but not precisely an "ancestor."

[16thVACav]

Childlessness is usually hereditary. If your parents had no children, chances are you won't either.

[old bear]

Originally Posted by moe smith

Either way, it would probably be a good idea to try and keep him out of management.

Why? That clown would fit right in with a few management types I've had to deal with over the years.

[Old 44 Guy]

And if B.S. was dollar bills he would be the richest man in the world.

[snubbyfan]

Originally Posted by old bear

Why? That clown would fit right in with a few management types I've had to deal with over the years.

Sad but true.

[Mike McLellan]

I used to claim descendancy from Gen. George McClellan, until I found out what a bone-head he was.

[shouldazagged]

Originally Posted by snubbyfan

I would have said, "yeah, well my ggggrandfather was the Indian that killed him.

Oh, I do wish you had had the chance to do that!

For some odd reason his story reminds me of a scene from a play which strangely enough was never performed. A French physician arrives home as dawn is breaking, and his wife asks him, "Was it a difficult delivery, dear?" He answers, "Yes, but it was all worth it. You see, the baby's name was...Victor Hugo."

[CAJUNLAWYER]

More like "Born with Dumb ***"

[snubbyfan]

Originally Posted by feralmerril

Hate to get technical, I believe there was a book title something like "Son of morning star" that said he had a indian mistress that had a son by him.
I have no idea if it was truth, fiction or just rumor. I know that him and his wife libby didnt have children.

Kind of reminds me of the story of some general that retired and wanted to keep his orderly. Told him he wanted to keep things just like when they were active. The first morning the orderly came in and woke the general up, slapped the generals wife on the butt and said its back to the village for you baby!

Don't nobody mention this to that clown. I get enough people coming up to me and telling me they're 1/16 Cherokee. They're usually blond and blue eyed and it's always Cherokee.
Them Cherokees musta been one heck of a busy tribe. Now I do know some people of Cherokee descent but they look it despite having very light skin.

[Qball]

Originally Posted by snubbyfan

Don't nobody mention this to that clown. I get enough people coming up to me and telling me they're 1/16 Cherokee. They're usually blond and blue eyed and it's always Cherokee.
Them Cherokees musta been one heck of a busy tribe. Now I do know some people of Cherokee descent but they look it despite having very light skin.

Must have been one of them Scandinavian Cherokee's then.

[Smoke]

I seem to remember reading that the reason that the Custers had no children was that George had an STD and either it or the cure sterilized either him or his wife.

I served with a few (non direct) Custer descendents in the Army and I’ve met a few here in Colorado Springs and one thing I’ve noticed is that they seem to take great pride in the fact that they are Custers and they seem to have had it drilled into their heads from a very early age that they have a family name and tradition to live up to.

On a somewhat related note I’ll share this story

I used to work for a medical device manufacture in Monument Colorado. There was a woman who worked in the packaging department, that claimed that she had inoperable brain cancer for about 5 years. She also claimed to be the only child of the man who invented single side band radios (not even sure if that’s a real thing).

She also claimed that Hyman Rickover was so impressed with her father’s service that he (Admiral Rickover) arranged for the Navy to send her to college to be a communications spook, she claimed that the “brain cancer” was the result of her being around the communications equipment.
Then she stated that after college she was direct commissioned into the California National Guard as a Major and not just any National Guard unit , it was a super secret unit whose sole duty was to go anywhere in the World on 6 hours notice to find and rescue American POWs from Viet Nam.
(But only on one weekend a month )

By this time I’m biting my tongue to keep from laughing in her face and she goes onto tell me that when the brain cancer forced her out of the Guard her duties were so secret that even medically retiring would compromise them so she had to take a general discharge.

[feralmerril]

Hey smoke, I have never been to Monument Colorado, but I have a brother in law who was chief of police there quite a few years ago. Is that about a one to three man department? He later worked for one of the towns next to colorado springs. Retired now.

[redneckemt]

You should have told you your grandgreat third grandaddy on your mothers side was killed with Custer. Then tried to avenge his death with Custers relations.
Custer murdered his men.

Do Great Great Uncles count for anything? Cause my wife's sure helped the Yankees when the War here in Tennessee.... he was a Confederate General

[rimfired]

No, just a Moron.

[153]

I thought Joe Biden was already employed as Vice-President????

[therevjay]

Originally Posted by snubbyfan

Don't nobody mention this to that clown. I get enough people coming up to me and telling me they're 1/16 Cherokee. They're usually blond and blue eyed and it's always Cherokee.
Them Cherokees musta been one heck of a busy tribe. Now I do know some people of Cherokee descent but they look it despite having very light skin.

We make nice SUV's too. By the way did I mention I was 1/10,000 (on my step mothers side)

[joeintexas]

Originally Posted by snubbyfan

Don't nobody mention this to that clown. I get enough people coming up to me and telling me they're 1/16 Cherokee. They're usually blond and blue eyed and it's always Cherokee.
Them Cherokees musta been one heck of a busy tribe. Now I do know some people of Cherokee descent but they look it despite having very light skin.

I'm not Cherokee but I did spend the night in Oklahoma once in a Holiday Inn Express, so don't hesitate to ask anything you need to know about them.....either me or George's decendant will come up with something for ya.

[BLACKHAWKNJ]

Interesting that claiming descent from Custer-whose last battle marked him as a true incompetent-has a cachet, while claiming descent from a truly successful general-say Winfield Scott, or Sheridan or Sherman or Joshua Chamberlain-does not. Likewise being able to claim American Indian descent has a cachet to it. A little racist, no ? The question I always ask of anyone claiming such ancestry is "Are you registered ?"
What the OP described is not "Stolen Valor" but "Tall Tales", and not terribly convincing ones at that.

[jmbrowning]

Wow, My Gggg to the 20th power were Adam and Eve. You remember them. They were the ones without belly buttons.

[jarhead1178]

Just a wannabe, kind of feel sorry for jerks like that. On second thought not sorry.

[sigp220.45]

Originally Posted by snubbyfan

Don't nobody mention this to that clown. I get enough people coming up to me and telling me they're 1/16 Cherokee. They're usually blond and blue eyed and it's always Cherokee.
Them Cherokees musta been one heck of a busy tribe. Now I do know some people of Cherokee descent but they look it despite having very light skin.

Old Indian country joke :

What do you call 64 Cherokees in a room?

A full-blood.

[feralmerril]

Years ago I had a close friend that always claimed to be part indian. Somehow I kind of doubted it but really didnt give a rats butt one way or the other. He had a brother that lived on the east coast and about every other year would drive out to see my buddy and I met him that way. Once we all were sitting in a resturant visiting and somehow the subject of indians came up. Now my buddy had a nice wife but she was nieve and many times I seen her eat up exaggerated tales my buddy would tell her about some events that he and I got into on and off the job as a lot of times we worked together and he and I were always out rideing our motorcycles, hitting the smorgasboards together when we were off work as we worked grave together and she worked days. Out of some sort of misplaced respect I usually would say nothing to contradict his storys. He really didnt need to exaggerate those storys as the truth was bad enough. He was a good man and did have my back a couple times. Anyway this time she naively popped off well, Will is part indian. Wills brothers wife looked surprised for a few seconds, thought that one over, scratched her head, turned to her husband, Wills full brother, and said , Hey Hans, if Will is part indian, How come you aint part indian? I wanted to die laughing but tried to keep from exploding! I had to go to the rest room to laugh! I bet they had to hear me!
To this day I still wonder if Hans`s wife was as naive as Wills was, as it sure looked like a good act of her trying to figure that one out! Hans just kind of looked down and said, I dont know.

[Steve in Vermont]

In my younger days I was in the Airborne and during a practice jump my chute tangled and I had to cut it free and fell without it. Lucky for me I landed in a large hay stack which broke my fall, but during the fall the wind tore all my clothes off. I have a witness, a pretty blonde who, by coincidence, was also in that haystack. But you probably don't believe my story and I don't blame you. Neither the blonde's husband nor my wife did either.
Credit to Hap Shaughnessy and the Red Green Show.

[BigBill]

So he is have white and half native American right? I'd get a crew cut incase the red half takes the white have scalping.
My son goes out with a pretty native American gal and he keeps his crew cut year round.

[vonn]

Have heard some pretty far out war stories but none like that. I agree that they are more sad than anything. Big stories usually come from people who deep down think they are small and are trying to pump themselves up to others.

[RonJ]

Snubby, I once made a remark to you about being part Cherokee. If you could see pictures of my maternal relatives I doubt you'd disagree. Most of the women have straight black hair and the bridge of the nose is very indicative. The men are of slight build, dark hair, wiry and of stoic demeanor. Since my Dads side were Welshmen I inherited my physical looks from him. I got the stoic personality from Mom. Funny that stoicism doesn't show up on the internet.
But anyway I'm one of those books that shouldn't be judged! BTW, the Cherokee were one of the five civilized tribes that inhabited a large part of the southern US as far west as Oklahoma. Right in my families old stomping grounds, Tennessee!

[snubbyfan]

Originally Posted by RonJ

Snubby, I once made a remark to you about being part Cherokee. If you could see pictures of my maternal relatives I doubt you'd disagree. Most of the women have straight black hair and the bridge of the nose is very indicative. The men are of slight build, dark hair, wiry and of stoic demeanor. Since my Dads side were Welshmen I inherited my physical looks from him. I got the stoic personality from Mom. Funny that stoicism doesn't show up on the internet.
But anyway I'm one of those books that shouldn't be judged! BTW, the Cherokee were one of the five civilized tribes that inhabited a large part of the southern US as far west as Oklahoma. Right in my families old stomping grounds, Tennessee!

That's the wacky thing about my wife and I. I'm a stoic Injun that doesn't talk much and she's a dynamic, passionate Italian. We're quite a pair of racial stereotypes.

[BrianE]

That's hilarious! Now I'd ride with that and ask all sorts of questions to get a good laugh, especially after i made everyone else aware. He opened the can of worms..

[reddogge]

Not stolen valor but I would have called him on it right then and there. Then I'd watch him squirm.

[tops]

Just because Custer didn't father any children with his wife doesn't mean that he didn't father any children. Larry

[amazingflapjack]

Might have asked him why old Gramps left the Gatlings-DUH.

[rwsmith]

Originally Posted by amazingflapjack

Might have asked him why old Gramps left the Gatlings-DUH.

And split his command with zero communication between contingents.

Famous last words:

Where did all of those dang Indians come from?

[feralmerril]

LARRY VERNE- "MR. CUSTER" ( W / LYRICS) - YouTube

[pineappleshooter]

Originally Posted by snubbyfan

Don't nobody mention this to that clown. I get enough people coming up to me and telling me they're 1/16 Cherokee. They're usually blond and blue eyed and it's always Cherokee.
Them Cherokees musta been one heck of a busy tribe. Now I do know some people of Cherokee descent but they look it despite having very light skin.

Those Cherokee cheekbones are a dead give away! I have a buddy who is 1/8 and he and all his kids have the exact same cheekbones his Great-Great Cherokee Grandma had. My only claim to fame via my ancestors is my Great Grandaddy used to be a moonshiner in West By God Virginia back during prohibition, he used to tell me stories about shooting at revenuers.

[feralmerril]

Remember the controversy of Elizabeth Warren claiming she was 1/32 Cherokee?
Did Elizabeth Warren check the Native American box when she ?applied? to Harvard and Penn? - The Washington Post

[jimmyj]

Originally Posted by feralmerril

Hate to get technical, I believe there was a book title something like "Son of morning star" that said he had a indian mistress that had a son by him.
I have no idea if it was truth, fiction or just rumor. I know that him and his wife libby didnt have children.

Kind of reminds me of the story of some general that retired and wanted to keep his orderly. Told him he wanted to keep things just like when they were active. The first morning the orderly came in and woke the general up, slapped the generals wife on the butt and said its back to the village for you baby!

Hi:
There is a TV Movie from several years ago, "Son Of Morning Star" that was made from the book.

[feralmerril]

Libby custer lived to 1933. Here is a actual short movie film clip of her.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Libb...12%3B528%3B432

[Smoke]

I read a book called The Custer Reader by Paul Andrew Hutton a few years back. It’s an anthology of articles written about him by his contemporaries with some commentary by the Author/Editor.

One of the things he (Hutton) postulates in the book is that contrary to the popular idea that Custer was trying for one big victory so he could win the Presidency, Custer had no interest in Politics and was trying to get a big victory in an effort to get his General’s stars back.

[S&WIowegan]

It is certainly not a stretch of the imagination for Custer to have had VD...pretty common among soldiers of every era prior to penicillin.

The discussions about having Native American ancestors really got hot when people wanted a share of casino profits.

Native American "wives" were common on the frontier from the earliest arrival of Europeans. It's almost impossible to trace because people tended to deny and cover it up until recently.

Elizabeth Warren did herself more harm than good by playing the "race card" to get preferential treatment. I'm embarrassed for her.