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Old 04-22-2014, 08:35 PM
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I know this may sound crazy and even an odd question but I'm curious.

One of my passions is motorcycles and I belong to a few forums and it seems like clockwork that at least one person from the forum (or a family member or friend of the member) dies riding every year. Whether it was their fault or not.

So being that I know all of us here are of the same mindset regarding guns, 2A rights, and self preservation....

Has any member of this forum ever been killed by a gun in the hands of another?

If a moderator or member finds this question inappropriate, I apologize in advance and will delete the thread.
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Has any member of this forum ever been killed by a gun in the hands of another?

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Not me...
At least, not yet.
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Old 04-23-2014, 12:39 AM
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At least, not yet.
Ahhhh, but the night is young, my friend!!

I road raced motorcycles. While there were lots of injuries, few were fatalities. Yet at the same time, many friends died riding canyons and on the roads. Car vs. bike..... the bike has never won the fight. At best, a split decision.
Bike racing was interesting, in that right up to the point where you overstep the boundaries, it is incredibly fun and challenging. But when you step over the line, the crash and injury is pretty much instant, and unavoidable.

So I moved on, and now I spearfish. Wow- fishing with a gun. That's GOT to be much safer, right??
Wrong. We lose more than one friend every year, from a rather small community. Nationwide, there are maybe 20,000 total freedivers who spearfish. The same strange parallel to bikes: Incredibly fun and challenging, right up to the point where you step over the line. Only in this case..... usually you black out from a lack of oxygen, and you pass out peacefully. In most cases..... this is the LAST thing you ever do. Some of us are lucky, we black out and are revived, or we hit the surface, grab a breath of air and then black out; only to wake suddenly a few seconds later when the oxygen pumps its' way to our brain, or water on our face wakes us. In the last 20 years, I have lost more than 1 friend a year. We NEVER lost that many riding and racing bikes.

As to gun accidents or similar; I have been shot, but I walked it off. I was lucky. I have known folks who were killed, some in Iraq, a couple I heard about in street violence/ robberies. But none I was very close to at the time of their demise.

I am sure that there are folks in here who have seen many friends lost to guns, but I will bet very, very few are from accidents.
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I've always said that's how I'd like to go. 90 years old & shot by a jealous prom date.
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Old 04-23-2014, 05:24 AM
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I have a S&W 25-2 with a cut down 4" barrel and stag grips that I have
pictured on here a few times. I bought it from a local dealer way back
in 1970. Just a few years after I bought it the dealer was shot and
killed in a home invasion robbery. I read about it in the newspaper.
Three punks kicked in his front door and he killed one and wounded
one but lost his life. I've known several friends and co-workers who
used a gun on themselves, very sad. I'm still not over the last one.
A local gun shop owner that I have known for many years and who
received four S&W revolvers for me in the last two years that were
too new for my C&R license took his life just a few weeks ago. I still
have his license saved on my computer. Always a bit negative and
pessimistic but seemingly a strong character he seemed sturdy
enough to weather life's storms to me. Guess not. I just wish I
could have had a chance to talk to him. I think very few gun deaths
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Seems apples and oranges. Firearms enthusiasm, while certainly requiring responsibility, isn't a high risk pastime; riding is.
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Old 04-23-2014, 08:57 AM
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My thanks to the OP for his post. I rode motorcycles for just shy of 50 years, had a few cases of dropsy with only minor injuries, and only quit riding last year due to some nasty little health issues. Friends and family have always known that I rode and used firearms as well. Consistently the guns seemed to worry them more than the bikes. I heard a lot of misinformed preaching on the subject of "guns in the house" and "You can't just carry that thing around with you in public!"

That always bemused me a bit. I was extremely careful with my guns, following all safety practices and keeping them locked up when they were not on my person. On the other hand, I preferred fast motorcycles and enjoyed using them... fully.

Riding and many other activities are more dangerous than guns and shooting.
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While I am off topic just a bit as none of the departed where members of this form, I know of the following stories.

I was in a deer camp in CO, which had just had a "older" (I use it in quotes as I never did learn what his age was) client pass in his sleep the week before. As told by both the staff and one client he had a history of heart issues, loved to hunt, and was not going to let that stop him.

One of my hunting buddy's takes a spring family retreat to slay fish in N. Ontario, at one point they had five generations with lines in the water. My buddy's grandfather told one of his great grandsons, he was tired and going back to camp, the grandson found him under a tree in his words "looking like he sat down to rest for a while".

My father in law had the "big one" opening day of deer rifle season 2004. My nephew was at his side, and thinks the only thing my FIL would have wanted different was a buck down and his two other grandsons in the field with him.

In short I think there is something to be said about leaving the show with your boots on.
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I am much more of a racer than a rider, although I like riding. Riding a motorcycle on public roads is a heck of a lot more dangerous than drag racing, or shooting. The last thing I want to do, is die on a motorcycle. My late Mother didn't like me fooling with guns or bikes, and I didn't have much to do with them until I was an adult. If something happened to me because of either, I don't want her telling me "I told you." when I see her again.
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I don't know, but...........
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I have a lot of hobbies and I don't want to die doing any of them, when I go, I hope it's in my sleep.
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I've probably come a bit closer than I would think............
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Nope, and I wanna go out on a boat and disappear. No hassles for anyone to get rid of the body and family has instructions to not bother searching. I have 2 jet boats, and am going back to AK commercial fishing in Alaska. Been to the Bering Sea crabbing when I was a kid in my 40s. Being trapped in an overturned hull is NOT the way I want it though.

The crew of the Korean ferry should be executed. Making the passengers stay below deck was murder of the worst sort.
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My grandfather did a drive by shooting at a guy who insulted and taunted him in the 50's. He was driving the car when he shot this guy who was walking down the street. Then he took his own life.
My parents never told me I had to hear it from strangers which made me feel like a jerk.

I had a co worked who was nuts on a motorcycle. I asked him what flowers did he want. He was dead the next week soon after he purchased the bike. I knew he wouldn't last.

I want to throw a leg over a Suzuki hayabusa and take her to 200mph and just stay there.

For me death doesn't matter it a question of when my date with Destiny is. Once they make my back a tad better it's a new motorcycle. I feel it's time to push life to the edge of its limits. Being on a fast bike doing 150mph the slowing down is such a rush.

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My Father chocked to death while eating dinner. He was 93 and had a do not resuscitate order at the home he lived at. When they were unable to clear it they did not do cpr as that would have violated the order. All of the family was OK with that. My brother says Dad died doing what he loved, eating dinner.
I ride a cycle but hope to die in almost any other manner.
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We all want to go to heaven but dont want to die. I love motorcycles and flying and in the past should have got killed doing both. Multable times.
I want to live as long as possible. Anyway else means my life is cut short.
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One of my passions is motorcycles and I belong to a few forums and it seems like clockwork that at least one person from the forum (or a family member or friend of the member) dies riding every year. Whether it was their fault or not.
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Has any member of this forum ever been killed by a gun in the hands of another?
The two cases are not equivalent - I don't think anyone on here makes a hobby of being shot AT.

As a profession, sure. As a hobby, unlikely.

The equivalent would be for a bike enthusiast to be struck and killed by another motorcycle. Doubtful anyone would call that "dying doing what he loved."

One of our salespeople here, about 10 years back, was off on one of the sales team's "performers conferences," and the group was out motocrossing in very rugged terrain.

This particular salesman, very proficient rider, ended up going right off a cliff of several hundred feet height. By the time others could get to the bottom, he was already dead.

Some would say he died doing what he loved. I'm not sure if his wife and young children would have agreed, unless his hobby was falling off cliffs.

We say such things to try to make sense of senseless tragedy.

"All men die, but not all men truly live." Right?

I've had and have some risky hobbies; can't say as I'd 'prefer' to die while engaged in one. I much prefer to survive my diversions.
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Here in utah a couple months ago a couple of experienced parachutists got married and wanted to dive off a cliff as part of it. The womans chute didnt open and she was killed. Not long after that in a interview the guy said it wasnt going to stop him from jumping. We always hear of similar. Now just because a family member might get killed in a auto accident we assume that other family members wont and cant stop driving because we all need to drive to live in this day and age. But when we have a high risk hobby that isnt nessasary to life, what do we do? I had several highly dangerous incidents many years ago flying. Walked away from one wiped out plane. I havent flown in 34 years and several days ago started in again and reactivated my license. I have several unrelated reasons though to start again that isnt related to "Just for the thrill of it". Everything we do in life has a level of risk to it. Even driving to work or church. Might get T boned. I guess we have to look at our abilitys honestly and what the risk level is. I just love it when some "sensible" bluenoses condemn me for gambling when we gamble with our lives with every act we do daily. You cant win if you dont play.
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I was shot at twice while an active LEO. I wasn't hit either time. I "loved" being a peace officer, but I'm enjoying life so much right now at the age of 75 that I'm very glad that I wasn't killed while doing something that I "loved". :-) BTW, I have been riding motorscooter/motorcycles since the age of 8. I'm still riding and don't want to go that way either. ................ Big Cholla
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About thirty years ago I had a conversation with a supervisor about safety and accepting risks of things we did.

Les flew an ultra-light aircraft; I rode a motorcycle. We both thought the others practice was more dangerous. We both accepted the risk because we enjoyed our "dangerous" practices.

The conversation was Friday at 2:00 PM, just before I would leave for the weekend. Two hours later Les bought the farm with a high angle earth impact. No reason was ever found for the crash. No structural failure. Les was a skilled pilot having many hours in standard aircraft.

He went doing what he enjoyed.

I will always remember our final conversation.

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As a long time avid motorcyclist, I have often said I would rather die on my motorcycle than after an extended stint of drooling into my bib in a nursing home. But even though I say it, I realize it is facile, and I say it half in jest.

In truth, I would much prefer to be allowed to die quietly and peacefully in my sleep, as my father did...


























...and not crying and screaming, like his passengers.
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As a long time avid motorcyclist, I have often said I would rather die on my motorcycle than after an extended stint of drooling into my bib in a nursing home. But even though I say it, I realize it is facile, and I say it half in jest.

In truth, I would much prefer to be allowed to die quietly and peacefully in my sleep, as my father did...


























...and not crying and screaming, like his passengers.

You beat me to this joke... I was even going to talk about how much I love motorcycles. ..
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So far so good. Close once, but I think it was a warning shot.

On the other hand, in my drinking days (many years behind me now) I had other risky hobbies. Once while drunk I made a pass at a woman friend in her home, knowing that her large, formidable husband was due home shortly. And that he collected and carried .44 Magnum revolvers.
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I'm going to sell my last Harley this year. Been riding over 45 years. Arthritis in my neck has not outweighed the numerous times the past two years I have been
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I've only been shot at in war, their mistake.
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Just about everything we do in our life is dangerous, we take a shower, we eat a meal, to drive to work, walk across the street. I have several hobbies, I shoot, I fish, and hike and do some wood working all can be dangerous if you don't pay attention to the rules. I have been shot once. I was lucky all I got was a broken rib it was during my tour in Viet Nam. I hurt like hell I would not want to due it again. When my time comes I hope it comes in my sleep.
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You ask if any Forum member has ever been kilt by a gun in the hands of another.
Don't personally know of any, but this is a good time to put you all on notice:

I have been married to the Lovely Missus P&R Fan for almost 25 years now. Almost all of my clients are Women. Usually good lookin' Women. Whenever I so much as look at an attractive Woman I get accused of flirting. She was married previously, and is 4 1/2 years older than me. She has told me, in no uncertain terms, that divorce is never an option for us. But murder is always on the table.

If you ever hear a story on Fox news about a middle aged Iowa man whose Wife swears he accidentally shot himself in the head....7 times....with his favorite 6 shot revolver....check into it, ok?

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I knew of two seperate cases of guys that I worked with through the years where gun play and threat of gun play happened. In the first one both were ex Leo. One liked to drink a lot. This wasnt on the job but we all worked together. One went to the others house to pick up I think, a travel trailer the other had let him leave parked behind his house. They had been friends. The guy was drunk out of his mind and got his 30-30 out and made the other dance!
In the other case one officer was married to a foreigner and the other idiot officer made some derogatory remark of it and the other idiot drew on him and put the barrel almost up his nose!
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Hey, I had a brother die in the shower.........who wouldda thunk??
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I know this may sound crazy and even an odd question but I'm curious.

One of my passions is motorcycles and I belong to a few forums and it seems like clockwork that at least one person from the forum (or a family member or friend of the member) dies riding every year. Whether it was their fault or not.

So being that I know all of us here are of the same mindset regarding guns, 2A rights, and self preservation....

Has any member of this forum ever been killed by a gun in the hands of another?

If a moderator or member finds this question inappropriate, I apologize in advance and will delete the thread.
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Well, I guess you could build a bunker and just stay in it. For me, any risks incurred riding a MC are greatly out weighed by the benefits; chiefly stress reduction-a killer in its own right (stress). I can't control other folks, shooters or drivers, but I can be prepared and focused. Just looking at raw statistics does not really give us an accurate picture of why these deaths occurred. Take a look at bicycle deaths! Was the rider a novice, was there substance involved? And there is much more. Crash avoidance-riding through a potential crash-is vital to bikey's, but has to be learned to become a reflex response. I go where He sends me, and trust Psalm 91 in all these things. I had been off of a bike 10 years when He set me on this one (marriage-my idea to stop ridin). It's His bike, so...
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So far so good. Close once, but I think it was a warning shot.

On the other hand, in my drinking days (many years behind me now) I had other risky hobbies. Once while drunk I made a pass at a woman friend in her home, knowing that her large, formidable husband was due home shortly. And that he collected and carried .44 Magnum revolvers.
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I quit my two love hobbies because I couldnt be selfish with my wife. We both are big and heavy. She is 5 ft 11"s. For many years I rode harleys until I married the first time. I quit then due to the same reason that it was selfish on my part as I had a wife and daughter and we couldnt all ride together. That and lack of finances too.
I also flew and owned several airplanes in my past (single) life too. There again I gave it up for sake of not being selfish. After the ex got pregnant she refused to fly with me. The airplane was badly ground looped by someone else. and sat in limbo in a hanger for around thirty years. Just now it finally has been totally rebuilt and restored. I went and got my physical last month and just this week I passed my bi annual restoring my license to be legal again. I got a couple hours in a 172. I am getting my plane back from california very soon I hope. I hope to fly it for maybe a year or so around here and then sell it for the same reason. It would be selfish for me to keep it. It is a two seat airplane for two "normal light weights", not two huge heavy people. Effectively, its really just for me as gas would be a nice thing to take along. I suppose in theory I could sell and buy a 4 passenger and that thought will be on the back burner, but I dont know if I can really afford a plane even though it is paid for! A super expensive hobby!
Even with guns, I have long ago quit buying them. Fortunatly I built up a nice collection in my single years and have many more than I could ever justify.
Sometimes I wonder at some of the huge collections I see others post here and on other sites. I hope that the guys that have them arent buying them at their familys expense and have there obligations covered.
With me, it has been and is a one man show financially speaking. My ex never brought in one check. I remarried AFTER I retired and neither of us work at a paying job. All these costly hobbies that we have are fine but I hope are not cutting into our family obligations. Sometimes I wonder about that here.
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Came pretty close, back when I was young and stupid and living in a rooming house above a rowdy bar. My neighbor put one round through my bedroom wall, with me in it, in one side, out the other and hit my car in the parking lot.
I'm not young anymore.
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Was your neighbor a fellow named Hardin? Maybe he didnt like your snoreing?
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In my younger days, I was addicted to technical rock climbing. I took a few wingers trying to lead climb what was beyond my capabilities. I got banged up a bit, but my pro placements and gear were good, so I walked away with nothing more serious than scrapes and bruises. I know three climbers from that era who subsequently died while climbing because of either equipment or judgement errors. It could be said they died while they were doing something they enjoyed. At least their lives ended quickly, without suffering.
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I guarantee you if they could come back they wouldnt do that day over again. Well, then again maybe not. I hear heaven is a lot better than here. How about that famous guy that dives off cliffs around the world and flys for miles down the terrain and opening his chute at the last second? I watch that and those idiots that do double loops etc on motorcycle jumps and I do not admire them. To me stuff like that borders on immoral.
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I don't see anything noble or honorable about dying while doing what
one loves. Two former co-workers who rode large cruiser bikes did
exactly that shortly after retirement. One guy was a short unassuming
guy who loved to go out for a peaceful ride in the evenings after work.
Dead less than a year after retiring. The other guy was anything but
laid back. He loved to ride and put lots of miles on his bike and would
come to work and brag to me about how fast he rode. Most guys who
ride hogs aren't that much into speed but he was. Liked to brag about
setting the pace on group rides that challenged the others just to
keep up. Dead less than a year after retirement. Work 35 years or so
and retire comfortably to enjoy life and be gone in less than 1 year.
Death is for ever and tragic, doing what one loves or not. Much more
noble to enjoy your favorite activities as long as possible and realize
when it's time to gracefully let them go.
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Since we moved here to utah we have taken up the sport of ATV`s and UTV trail riding. We joined a local club doing it. Almost everyone in the club is retired or getting close to it. Riding with others is smart as you dont want to break down or get hurt in the boonies by yourself. No, there also is drawbacks such as riding in the dust the people ahead of you kick up. One time I towed out another retired couple about 14 miles as my friend hit a rock just wrong and knocked out his oil drain plug. Another time I and Theresa tipped over at slow speed and two other couples that were riding with us had to roll the quad off us. I am not sure I could have did it by myself. We probley have been as high as 30 miles off the nearest traveled road sometimes. That alone doesnt mean much though as much of the time in just a couple miles we often drive steeper stuff than you would want to walk out on unless your in great shape. It can get dangerous and sometimes even with caution and wisdom you chance stuff that is stupid rather than drive back and around many miles to avoid it.
We just bought a slightly used 2012 RZR 900 XL. Thats a side by side UTV and one of the hottest made. Do to weather we have only got a chance to take several rides so far. Was going tomorrow but the club canceled as rain and snow is forcast. At the last meeting a medical emergency demonstration was given by a retired fireman. We have a number of retired firemen and LEO officers so we fit in. Its fun. Also we just joined a EAA club (Experimental Aviation Association.) It gives me needed contacts for all phases of flying since I am getting back into it.
At one time years ago when I was single I thought I would own harley dressers until I got so old I couldnt swing a leg over one. I had many different motorcycles, 3 harley dressers. I rode by myself around the country before it got to be the fad it is. The rules change the older you get. I have had my accidents both with bikes and planes. Only God let me live through 3 serious motorcycle wrecks and one plane wipeout. That dont approach all the close calls. Getting married slows you down or at least it should because of the responsibility of staying around to take care of your family as long as possible. I love motorcycles, airplanes, UTV`s, Guns and women but I dont want to die because of any of them.
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Think about it some - especially when pursuing one of my passions - offshore fishing. More often than not - I'm alone and if you ever wanna feel small and insignificant, just head East for an hour or two off the NC coast.
Always careful, but you don't get many 'do-overs' out there.
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I had a good time pushing the envelope when I was younger. I'm 63 now, and I still enjoy rock hopping on my dirt bike and motorcycle touring on my dual sport. I'm in no hurry to die, but if I pass doing the things I enjoy, I couldn't ask for a better ending. IMO, that beats dying while working at a desk, or wasting away in some long term care facility wishing I was dead.
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I don't care how learnedyou are with firearms heavy equiptment etc. You mess with this stuff long enough an if you're lucky it'll be a just close call. I blew the boy howdy finger of my left t hand last year by simply trying to adj a new set of Ahrends grips to one of my 357s' Right before it happened I remember saying to myself unload the weapon but I thought the hammer block would take care of it. Stupid me. I'm missing a boy howdy finger on my left hand today from this dumb stunt, Still don't know how the 686 fire.d Popper
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