Amazing that he shot the guy in the leg. When the intruder recovers he should thank him for not going center mass...but since this is America, he will probably sue.

Oh, and this is a good lesson for why you should get to know your next door neighbors.

Alleged Drunk Man Shot During Home Invasion - Philadelphia News, Weather and Sports from WTXF FOX 29

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Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. There are such incidents regularly. One happened in Pasco (WA) a few weeks ago, and that offender was DRT. Found justified by the prosecutor, of course, but the offender's family is all bent out of shape. Offender had gotten into the home, was much younger and bigger than the victim, and assaulted him before getting shot. AMF.

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Some years ago, I spent a night in a Houston motel. In the wee hours, someone tried to get in the bedroom window.

I had only a S&W M-29 .44 Magnum as a firearm, having taken it to show a friend in that city. I got the gun and took cover behind furniture.

I decided to wait until the intruder had entered the room before taking further action. I was fully prepared to kill him and was hoping that the noise of that loud gun indoors wouldn't hurt my hearing. And I was worried a little about excess penetration in a human target.

It was some drunk whose wife found him and berated him as she dragged him off to the right room. They never knew how close he came to paying the ultimate price for his overindulgence. But I'm grateful that it ended well.

I've since tried particularly hard to be sure that an intruder isn't just a drunk, especially when travelling.

learn by doing

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Cheers, Charles
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Drunks trying to get into the wrong home are a common occurrence. A friend camping at an RV lot had the same problem. Drunk swore it was HIS recreational vehicle and swore his wife was inside.
A 12 gauge pump, shown through the screen door, changed his attitude.
The drunk's RV pulled out early the next morning. Apparently, he feared my friend would try to continue the conversation. He had no plans to, but later regretted he didn't call the cops.
The police should know when an aggressive drunk requires a loaded gun to back him down. That person is likely already a problem.

As for myself ...
Just ordered a folding, extendable stock for my Remington Model 870 20-gauge pump shotgun. Also ordered an extended magazine tube to hold 8 rounds.
This will become my home and hotel gun. Folded, it's short enough to fit in my softside suitcase, in the lower compartment designed for pants.
The 20 gauge, with its No. 3 buckshot (.25-caliber) load is devastating. Against vehicles, the 20-gauge Brenneke slug acts like a .45-70 bullet.

Best of all, an intruder will hear the CHUNK-CHUNK of a pump shotgun being cycled. He'll know you're armed and are serious.
The folding stock makes it maneuverable. Easy to store in vehicle too.
If I leave the hotel room, I'll pass stout, plastic-coated cable down the barrel and out the action, then secure it to the bedframe. A jacket or robe thrown over it keeps it hidden.
Coated cable is available by the foot at any large hardware store.
I create an eye for a padlock by using a Figure 8 crimping thingy ... can't remember what they're called. Used them before, though.
Stripped off the plastic so the crimper was on bare cable, threaded the cable through both holes to form an eye, put a bit of fresh epoxy in the crimping area, then "crimped" the Figure 8 by placing it on a concrete floor and smacking it with a hammer to flatten it down around the cable.
Once the epoxy sets, nothing's pulling that Figure 8 thingy off!

I might have a little difficulty making an eye small enough to fit down a 20-gauge bore. May have to just run it through the action.
We'll see ...

Having a compact 20-gauge on the road makes sense. No one bats an eye if you buy ammo, you can load it with birdshot to reduce penetration in hotels, yet it can be loaded to penetrate vehicle doors and other barriers. Far more controllable than a large-bore revolver too.

And there's that CHUNK-CHUNK sound that gets an aggressor's attention. Hard to beat that.

I use a 20ga auto for a house gun. It is cut down on both ends, but still big enough it handles well. Many use a 12ga. I cut a friends 12g pump down - minimal on both ends with a pistol grip. That thing would jump right out of your hands with hi brass 5 shot. I think you got a good workable plan.

Charlie

What can you say in a case like that????

And there is this story...

Family of Terrorist Teens Say They "Didn't Deserve to Be Shot" - Jan Morgan Media

Family of Terrorist Teens Say They "Didn't Deserve to Be Shot" - Jan Morgan Media

If one takes a move at my home, with robbery the objective, the return is the same. You break-in you die.

There would be no "twice".
There should never be a "twice".
Cry for your felon brother all you want, he committed a serious felony, and fell to the consequences.

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Okay BobC, you have thrown a hand grenade into the thread.

Now why don't you hold forth with your opinion on the Sacramento story. What would you have done? Would you, an elderly citizen, have killed the 14 year old burglar? Or do you agree with the whimpering boys and girls protesting that they did not deserve to be shot? Remember that the same kid broke in just a week earlier.

Just curious.

edit: Just to be clear here, there is nothing personal or insulting intended in my question. Think of it as a mild challenge.

castle law comes to mind then again under age kids breaking and entering not there first time maybe the parent should be responsable , they are minors do you know where your kids are , the parents are responabe

When younger I once rented an apt above a rough bar. The noises every night until closing time (4am) & from the line outside for opening time 7am were unreal. The apt had been rented to the town drunk for a long time & at least 3x a week he would get a load on & return to his old apt at 4am. After a while you ignored it/knew his name & would just yell at him that he no longer lives there, sometimes you would find him asleep leaning against the door.

"Mama says stupid is as stupid does" Forrest Gump

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Ohio is in America, and here, if it's a good shoot he can sue all he wants... he just can't RECOVER anything.

I imagine it's kind of tough to find an attorney to file your frivolous suit if he KNOWS neither one of you will ever see a dime out of it.

...and quite possibly conclude that you're not as serious about this as he is.

An unloaded gun is a marginal club.

ANY self-defense gun I maintain has one in the chamber.

About 45 years ago I and a friend were on a MC trip in either Fresno or Modesto California and got a cheap room in a downtown motel. It was fairly early, maybe like 8 P.M. but we had a rough day and I think it had started out at the end of my graveyard shift when we had started out. I was already snoring when my buddy hollered for me to call the police. The room had a short narrow alcove to the door as the bath was to one side of it. I got up and he was pushing on one side of the door and someone on the outside was pushing it in! My buddy was about 15 years older than me and was a very small man. I got up and started to pull back my buddy from the door with the idea of letting the guy lunge forward where I simply planned on cold cocking him. I was young and strong as a ox back then. The guy got sight of me and fled down the hall. I jumped into my levi`s, put my boots on over my bare feet and lit out to try to catch him. I didnt have a t shirt on and at about 260 pounds wasnt too pretty. He was trying to drive out on the street but had to stop for people walking in front of him when I ran up to his car. I had a model 60 in my pocket but wasnt "blessed" with a permit. He tried to tell me he thought a "friend" was in that room. We both knew better and I know he probley had thought my 110 lb old buddy would be easy to roll. People had now stopped and gawking at us or at least me. I am not proud to say I let him go.

I've long maintained that the racking of a shotgun will either be interpreted as:
1. RUN!
or
2. He's over there - OPEN FIRE!!!

Unless you're shooting subsonic rounds the BG shouldn't hear ANYTHING --- Ever again.....

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Nothing insulting at all. My mother packed a .357 Magnum everywhere she went and in her elderly years, it was always by her side. If someone broke in, they would be carried out. I have no problem with that.

The same at my home. The locked doors are there to protect intruders. If they get past them, then they too will suffer the consequences.

I think the parents and siblings need to look in the mirror to see who the real problem is. It was not the homeowner.

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