You'll be doing good with only 4 long guns! I also have the Fatboy Jr. and am happy with it but the entire front row is useless for rifles unless you turn them sideways ect. I had to move the safe recently-cut up some thick wall plastic pipe into 24" pieces and then just put more in front of the safe as I rolled it, even went around a corner. Wasn't too hard even by myself.
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He is worried about hitting a radiant heat line in the floor when he drills the holes for mounting.

Jeff

Liberty Safes are great. But that photo of the destroyed safe that someone tried to break into is a bit deceiving. These safes can be (relatively) easy to get into if you go through the side and have enough room to swing a fire axe. The doors are thick and look most impressive, but the sides and back are generally 12 or 14 gauge steel, which is not exactly Fort Knox and will succumb to sharp blunt force quickly. My advice would be to get one that is much bigger than you think you need (you will be surprised what finds its way in there once you get one). And to bolt it down or to a back wall. If you can put it in a confined space, all the better. The two ways someone is going to have a MUCH easier time getting in is if they can tip it over and/or have wide access to the sides.

If you can get it wired for lights, DO IT. You will not be sorry. If they can put a power strip in, you can also install a dehumidifying bar and keep that plugged in, too.

Another piece of advice is to get a dial lock over the digital. The digital need battery replacements (and probably at the worst possible time) and in my opinion looks a bit tacky on such an otherwise high-end piece.

Final word of advice is to hide it away. These things are real lookers, and the temptation is to put it in the house where you can show it off. Huge mistake. Keep it away from windows and where visitors will never see it. When someone sees a big safe (through a window, especially), their minds starts racing wondering what is so valuable that is inside. It is just too much temptation for some people, and may even make you a target for a more serious burglary. Hide it!

Here are some snaps from when I got mine about 7 years ago:











I got the large one pictured above. We had a few break-ins in our neighborhood and I thought that would be PLENTY big for my three-gun collection, a couple of laptops, and maybe some important documents. I wish I had a current pic! The gun collection has swelled to nearly 20 guns plus rifles, and the safe is PACKED with valuables, AR clips, Glock mags, holsters, S&W boxes, documents, jewelery, and countless things my wife has crammed in. You definitely should buy twice the space you think you need. Oh to have the space I had then! The safe above is about 5.5 feet tall and if I had to do it again I would have found a way to pay for one twice the size.

It's not deceiving at all. In fact, it's the perfect example of how good a safe can be when properly installed.

I already mentioned that the safe was bolted down. What I didn't mention, is that the safe was in a place where the criminal couldn't get to the sides or back. The left side was up against a wall so, it couldn't be pried on easily.

I also included the anecdote about the other guy to show that if it isn't bolted down, the security is seriously compromised.

The installation is just as important as any other aspect of the safe.


As for the electronic lock, it makes no difference. They are equally secure. The battery is replaceable from the outside. So, if it dies, just put a new one in. Looks are subjective and individual.

The best aspect of the electronic lock is ease of use. The combination can be set to anything the user wants. And, if you want to give someone temporary access, it can have multiple combinations. Also, the combination can be changed periodically by the user. The dial combo cannot.

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I agree with everything except the electronic lock. They are ALL junk!

Sorry, but I get a call at least once a month when they fail. Usually with the door shut. They are all made in China and poorly made at that. Yet nobody listens.

Convenient yes. Secure, no. Reliable, no.

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Exactly...I'm concerned I'll cut one of the pipes inside the concrete floor. If that happens, I'll be buying a college education for the plumber's kid.

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Do the pipes extend into the closets? Garage?

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I've been looking long and hard for a decent safe without having to spend a lot of money now. I'm trying to keep it under $1000 but it seems like they are all junk. That centurion though is very impressive Although it's now called the revolution model. I wonder if I went with their new entry level safe if it's as good as that centurion? What is the gauge of the centurion? I know that the Revolutin is 14 gauge.