They have played around long enough. Curfews are not the answer. Shut down the town of Ferguson.

Martial Law.

Who is this Marshall Law guy?

I've heard of Marshall Dillion, who is Marshall Law?


Jim in Iowa

EJ Marshall played a lawyer on TV. Does that count?

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This Marshall Law?

Google "Sherman Hills" in Wilkes-Barre. Low income housing (your tax dollars hard at work) for, a shooting/murder gangster drug haven.

There was a third baseman that played for the Chicago Cubs named Vance Law.

He lined into a triple play once.

There was Marshall Marshall Mann on In Plain Sight.

Yep. His dad was Vern Law, a Cy Young Award winner who pitched for Pittsburgh from about 1950 until the late 60's. If I remember reading correctly, Vern and his wife had five or six kids...all of their first names beginning with the letter V. Really. I'm pretty sure Marshall wasn't part of that clan.

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its a little late 4 for that cant believe Americans are destroying the own town but it ok out tax money will fix everything

I'm familiar with a Marshall Plan that helped get a deeply troubled continent on its feet again...?

I think his name is Martial Art...

I remember a comic book character in the 80s-90s called Marshall Law, a hyper violent vigilante. I think the premise was that "super heroes" were illegal, and it was the Marshall's job to hunt them down.

I do like Marshall Art too...

What were we just talking about???

I believe he was Marshall Dillons predecessor in Dodge?

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Marshall Law is the guy standing over next to General Repair.

Chuck Norris is Marshall Law.

This is funny, I was writing from my tablet without a real keyboard which is a pain (or Major Payne). I pondered over wether or not that was the correct spelling and got it wrong anyway.

Two shot, 31 arrested, molotov cocktails. They need a man like Marshall Law now more than ever.

We don't need no stickin' marshal law. Buy guns and protect yourself!

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That fella looks a lil' light in the loafers, to me.

When a Kentucky couple has to see a lawyer that specializes in marital law someone is about to lose a trailer.

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Of course we can criticize you, none of us ever have problems with spelling, need spell check, or have our computers or tablets out think us!

It's all in fun, of course.

As to your original suggestion, NO.

It won't help and there are those in .gov that don't need any more bad ideas.

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We could institute Marshall Tucker Law.

That's where everybody gathers and sings "Heard It in a Love Song" and "Can't You See".

Actually, there isn't any need for martial law there. If the Governor had kept his cakehole shut, and not interfered with the lawful operations of real cops instead of sending in an agency with little if any role in such matters, and an incident commander who is obviously wearing Clarino Clownshoes (tm), a lot of this would not be a problem. The only answer to that idiot is an IA, a Loudermill hearing, a trespass notice, a boot in the butt, and a guardianship petition.

Each and every one of the rioters (they are not protestors - those are two different groups of people and behaviors) should have been arrested forthwith. Anyone who lit a Molotov was deploying potentially lethal force, and should have been shot in the face as soon as it was lit. Standard 4th amendment use of force rules should still apply and be sufficient if we did not have such an ignorant sissified society.

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I agree, those riots have nothing to do with the shooting of the thug. They were waiting to happen, would have happened anyway with any excuse for a spark, and will happen again in other communities. In time, former members of the dying middle class will take to the streets as well. Then things will get really ugly.

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Give them Marshall Mathers, that should do it.

I must really be out of it. I thought the OP was referring to Marcia, Marcia, Marcia Law:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2fXs3bf-p0


Regards,

Dave

Seal it off--throw in some confiscated guns and ammo and see who the last person is standing, then arrest them.
Blessings

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It's too bad the top echelons of our federal government won't at least say there's a possibility that the shooting was justified and that people should wait for all the details to come in. It might even calm things down. But no, they say nothing of the sort, suggesting to me they have a pre-determined opinion before they even know everything. No, I don't think we want these guys in charge of martial law.

Curse you, Hillbilly77! Foiled again...I was all set to post a thread about a guy named Marshall & a guy named Tucker that joined forces in the eighties to form a band that had some success with some southern rock songs...as I said in an earlier thread, a day late a dollar short!

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I get that a lot.

OP: Be careful what you wish for when you ask for Martial Law to be instituted.

This type of attitude is what they WANT.
The people BEGGING for them to interfere for "their own good"
To "protect" us.
No, we do not need martial law.

I saw more pics of store owners with guns out front, and none of them are being bothered.
That should tell us all something.

I say pull out, let the animals burn their own neighborhood to the ground, because you KNOW Washington is just going to pay to rebuild it all when this is done anyway.

I don't like the way the Police have become so Militarized. It hasn't accomplished anything, and now they brought in the REAL military anyway. Not the boys playing with toys.

Who trashes their own neighborhood? Sheesh.

Marital Law though... No. I don't like the fact that they needed to bring the Guard in, but waddya gonna do.

Again...goes to show that all the toys in the world do nothing with bad leadership.

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Gosh darn it! I'm trying to watch my weight and my budget!

Now I have a hankering for a new silver Governor and some cake!

I hope we can find some peace in this country. We're all in this together after all.

Marshal law could spread across the country from Ferguson? Just like Sandy hook festered like a pimple. Don't give them even a little excuse to start gun grabbing.

Hmmm... wonder how we could get us one them thar riots here at the little old town I live nearby???
We could sure use an influx of tax dollars to kinda spruce the place up.

For all the non-gen Xers/gamers who have/had no idea who's in the pict:
Marshall Law (Tekken) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I do not condone suspending free peoples rights because of a select few scumbags.

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The police have not become militarized. Mr. Balko is a first rate kook who is completely unaware of the extent of his ignorance.

First, LE is and always has been a paramilitary structure. Second, LE has become a lot more reticent about use of force since the 1930s. There are plenty of photos and other documentation of LE agencies using honest to goodness real belt fed machine guns 80-90 years ago. The only place of which I am aware where anything like it is standard is on the patrol boats that Texas DPS uses in a specific area where the level of violent assaults on both them and private citizens is staggeringly high. I think they are M240s, but that's not my skill set.

Look at the uniforms that so many ignorantly think are appropriate. From where do you think those are derived? That's right, 1950s military dress uniforms, and before that, 1920s dress uniforms, and before that ... . And those uniforms are both unsafe and horrid items in which to work. Although the military had flak jackets and the like, light body armor came first to LE. The stuff that causes so much whining, like utility uniforms, and jumpsuits, and riot gear - all protective gear appropriate to the workplace. LE does not have "tanks" - those are (light) trucks (sorry - truck driver bias) with some amount of armor. Protective gear, appropriate to the encounter. Did I have an issued helmet? Yup. Carried it in my trunk. An uncomfortable annoying piece of gear; until I went to an incident in which bottles were being thrown. Then it was priceless. I was the only one who had it with me; as far as I saw, everyone else left theirs in their locker where it was worthless.

We do not use most of the tactics of an infantry unit, for example. The LE personnel most critical of the claim that LE is militarized are those who have actually served in combat arms functions, especially the Marine 0311s and Army 11Bs (infantry) who trained and fought in that role. My friends with such backgrounds are very critical of the claim, because they are familiar with both contexts and know very well the difference. (I don't; while I study such things for lots of good reasons, Uncle Sam knew better than to take me as a JAG officer, let alone anything combat arms.)

As for the Guard: even if the personnel deployed are trained as MPs, they generally will not have a lot of training directly related to the civil disturbance crowd control function. This is true even of those who are trained in the Corrections side of military LE, because almost all of their training is related to a different mission (the law related to use of force in corrections is different from that in the street; 8th/14th amendment vs. 4th, in simple crude terms, and in many states the statutory authority is different). I am not familiar enough with the UCMJ to know if they have different statutory standards for the two settings, and their actions will be probably be driven mostly by state law since this is a State mission.

It is my understanding that the Guard units called up will not be front line deployed, but mostly securing the command post (and force protection of that nature is part of the MP skill set from what I am told). A friend with nearly 20 years of active and Guard time, and 25-ish in LE, told me that he is concerned for the safety of those troops because if they are trained as badly as his unit was for such a mission (he was infantry, so not a fair comparison), and subject to the same political crud that has hamstrung the response so far, they are essentially targets.

SLCPD should have been left in there, as they have the skill set and legal authority that MSHP does not, and likely the Guard will not either.

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It is not the "free people" that are rioting, it is the scumbags. This is just going to keep feeding off itself until it is stopped.

Two shot last night. 31 wounded. Molotov cocktails. If this military police force is not going to clean the streets then put them away and re-arm them with model 586s.

BTW, the St. Louis City Police shot and killed a guy with a knife this afternoon in another ethnically not diverse part of town.

And to Doug M., the militarization of the police is not in regard to tactics (yet). Fortunately they can't call in air strikes (yet). It has to do with the uniforms, weapons, and vehicles. Why in the world Douglas County, CO needs an armored car is beyond me. Why National Park Service guuards need Humvees to patrol the grounds of the Gateway Arch is beyond me.

Remember Katrina and marshal law? Just say NO!

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John Philip Law played the angel in "Barbarella".

Humvees took the place of the M151 Jeep in the military, how is this lightly armored vehicle scary to you ? They were useless to the Military as front line vehicles because they offered little protection.

Should we go back to the days of issued Thompson Machineguns, BARS, and M1919s. Or maybe you prefer the M1 and M2 carbines issued to police in the 50s and 60s ?

Don't forget the uniforms of the Police designed after the German Army of WWl and WWll. I think it is the New Mexico State Police that are still wearing the Nazi Black Uniform of the SS. I think I'd rather look like a Paramilitary member of the United States then wear a foriegn designed uniform of the past.

This seems to have been going on since WWI. After that war, I seem to remember reading that some PDs got BARs and light machine guns.

After WWII, PDs got Thompsons, M3 "Grease Guns", LMGs, jeeps, and other surplus equipment.

After the Vietnam war, more of the same.

After the fall of the Soviet Union, more equipment was surplussed and sent to PDs and other municipal agencies.

I think the larger issue is the militarization of federal agencies. Does the FDA really need a SWAT team? If it were up to me, I'd restrict the various OIGs to investigating wrong doing within their agencies. I'd also require them to refer the results to the FBI for law enforcement action. If needed, I'd allow the OIG staff members to have side arms, but no long guns or "tactical gear".

I also think that state and local PDs should reconsider their approach to warrant service. Some use their SWAT guys for every warrant, even if it's not for a violent crime.

I did medical standbys for local and federal agencies. Some of the ones that federal agencies did were circus like. Federal agencies, state police, local police, animal control, child welfare agency, EMS, and other agencies. There was no stealth involved because the trail of vehicles was longer than a freight train.

The local agencies used a much smaller team to serve most warrants. Once the scene was secured, the SWAT guys, animal control, EMS, and everyone but the detectives serving the warrant cleared the scene.

I think some sort of risk versus benefit calculation needs to be done when a warrant is going to be served.

But, what do I know, I'm just a retired paramedic.

The Nazi dress uniforms, or some of them, were supposedly patterned after the winter duty uniform of the MA State Police. The story is that Goring was in MA in the early 1930s and was so impressed with the MSP uniforms that he took the design back to Germany.

Of course people in New Jersey have said the same thing about their uniforms, so who knows?

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Uh, yeah, ok.
Mapping The Militarization Of America?s Police Force Since 2006 « Silver For The People

I assume you can read a map. You seem to be good at long stories.

Again, only ones I see condoning the MILITARIZATION of the Police, ARE the Police.

There is no need for the UNITED STATES of AMERICA to have the armor listed at the enclosed link. Unless they want to use it against us.

They sure aren't using it on the borders, but are real quick to pull it out to use on main street AMERICA

Nope. Not needed.

If you actually think the Police are not and have not become Militarized........... I'm at a loss for words.

All Civilian Army.

US Gov’t. has a free give-away for local law enforcement. They can even get personnel carriers and tanks...free (actually on loan). Started way before Obama...to be aimed at US citizens under the aegis of the “war against drugs.” Homeland security or gestapo on steroids? You make the call. Kinda worries me, but then again, it is nothing new. (Actually I would love to get my hands on some of this stuff myself!) Check out the inventory here:
Weapons

You mean like this?
We Are Above the Law Declares County Attorney - PaulCraigRoberts.org

The Author ( Paul Craig Roberts) worked under Reagan... smart man.

it would die out if the media and cops leave and forget about it. it is no longer about someone being killed. it is about the atention.

Tanks? Got a link?
Because the link you provided has Hunvees and MRAPs. Which are nothing more then a transport vehicle that offers protection from small arms fire. The MRAP will deflect mine explosions too though.

These tanks you mention, do they still have their main gun? As for personnel carriers, NYPD has had two since the early eighties and there are none to be had these days.

If they declared Martial Law they would only ban and try to confiscate all guns leaving the store owners defenseless. What they need to do is enforce the law and make a statement, "all looters will be shot on sight".