yes, but there are a fairly regular number of physicians to kill people with malpractice. This will be a fairly fixed statistical constant.
Ebola, at this time, may be a significantly lower number.
unlike doctors, it's carriers are not a fixed constant.
Instead this number answers to an exponential multiplier, compounding daily like interest on a loan from a mafia loan shark.
Duncan exposed ( not necessarily infected) nearly 80 in a weeks time.
That was two weeks ago.
If each of the 80 matched his exposure performance, 80 can be as high as 6400 carriers in the first week.
The following week, mathematically, is a figure in the half million range.
thats the real danger here.
deadly diseases, are like a xerox machine of death wired on meth and rampaging. Thats what made these things desirable as weapons.

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Frieden just admitted on the Kelly File that most healthcare workers don't have the tools and training to stop the spread.

OMG, she's ripping him apart, I feel sorry for him. Poor performance.

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Wonder how this will affect the healthcare system, think it's going to raise our insurance rates? Well at least we get to keep our own plan and our own doctor...

I suspect that when all is said and done, we wont hear medical professionals say anything about being overworked.
It could establish a WHOLE new baseline

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Is it just me or does that guy that came here with ,and died from Ebola, look a lot like the fraud sign language interpreter at Nelson Mandellas memorial service? I have ,for weeks, been trying to figure out who he looked like.

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CDC Chief was a complete and total embarrassment on the Kelly File. Perhaps the worst part was him hopelessly trying to explain why a travel ban isnt a good idea, and charter flights can't bring supplies and medical personnel in and out to Africa.

PC run amok! the tail is wagging the dog!

She eased up on him halfway through the interview, perhaps fearing being arrested for assault and battery upon a helpless person.

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I am surprised they can find pilots that will accept flights in and out of Africa.

Let's see ....from the in-depth world of the internet the past 18 months or so we have had.
1. "The govt. stockpiling coffins/body bags."
2. "FEMA camps"
3. "ABC's Federal agencies buying huge amounts of ammo"
4. "Military surplus items, Humvees' small tanks, etc, being sold/given
to State/County/City Police Dept's."
5. " Reality TV shows concerning "preppers".

Now... a self inflected possible pandemic.
Your conclusion's ?? Any connection ???

So far we are seeing a repeat of Nigeria. A Liberian brought the disease there, then there was a cluster of infections. These wete among health care eorkers and their spouses. Ebola transmits sexually, so a boyfriend or spouse getting it would not be unexpected.

They need to kill the dog though. I am unsure that the dog is properly isolated, it may still have contact with other dogs or humans.

The nurse is of Vietnamese ethnicity. It is theorized that Asians may be better off - the Black Death was there too- in terms of possible inherited immunity. I believe she will survive.

Number wise....25 million fatalities in America would be my guess if it truly gets out of hand.

It's a cover up, its not ebola, its the zombie virus released to fight global warming and Walking Dead is really a secret government training program!!

I am surprised Dallas has not been cut off from the rest of the state. Much easier to contain now than when it starts appearing in other Texas cities. Has the mayor or governor mentioned anything about travel restrictions in and out of Dallas yet. Could be prudent. Not pc, but better safe than sorry. Can't wait for the feds to take action. Could declare state of emergency to handle situation properly. Will Texans wait for mayor and governor to do what should be done or take matters into their own hands?

I think you are thinking in too small of a scope.
We are rolling up into a season of major holiday travel.

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I'll toss in a few links to some of the information on the subject.
Ebola virus disease - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
WHO | Ebola virus disease
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, our own CDC site, with a somewhat sugar coated flavor, and distinct crunchy texture from the sand their heads are firmly planted in.
About Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever| Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever | CDC

Seems my call out to get varminting at first word of it, was not at all misplaced.
Just seems that we have to add bats to the hit list.

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Having closely watched the talking heads on the boob tube I'm thinking that the CDC knows more about the ebola virus than they are telling the people. We should not be letting flights of possibly infected people arriving in this country. And as for sending the marines into infected areas was a decision of the utmost stupidity. The world today as we know it has gotten to where folks can get on a plane and go anywhere, unfortunately that means to countries where this virus is running rampant. Ever see one of those plague movies where they try and locate patient zero?. Well that time has long passed and I'm afraid that this country will pay dearly, I sincerely hope to God I'm wrong and that this disease here in this country will be limited to the few people that have been affected so far. That poor young nurse and her boyfriend my heart goes out to them and hope that they get cured. Maybe I'm wrong about this and I hope that I am. If not then we are in deep trouble. Frank

Another health care worker in Dallas confirmed with Ebola. Quarantine the state now. Nothing in or out of Texas for at least 21 days. This is getting rediculous. What is it going to take for the governor to act? Too many people at risk. National guard at the borders now!

Thankful the young nurse that was denigrated by the egghead is doing better...even the pup seems to be ok so far.....Maybe we now will look at this horrible disease as it should have been from the first....Maybe just maybe we as a nation can come to a reasonable results, and stop this in its infancy....I am glad the egg head has at least backed off his out of place statements,, Maybe he has learned something,,,,I am afraid their is a lot to learn about this disease....My uneducated opinion is ...stop travel from the extreme effected areas at least past the incubation period.....Just my opinion I think we have enough in country problems right now....not to mention the ISIS problem that seems to be getting worse....

I LOVE the smell of naplam in the morning............

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Would some of you guys cool it a little? I'm sitting here in Dallas at pretty much Ground Zero and we have other members here.

Some of these comments are uncalled for and just add stress to what we're already dealing with. Believe me, the press is having a field day here with this newest case. The guy wanting to sell his cemetery plots is correct: dead Ebola patients are cremated. You won't be able to make a profit off of us if we lose more people to this horror.

The new patient is a woman who lived alone in an apartment not too far from where Nina Pham lives. This morning, the police and fire dept. decontaminated her door and the common areas outside her apartment.
Later today, her car and the interior of her apt. will also be disinfected. She does not have a pet. I hope that she has apartment/renter's insurance to replace her belongings that will probably have to be destroyed. Think about how that affects these people.

This area of town has many health workers employed at Presbyterian Hospital. I'm just praying that we'll see no further cases of Ebola and that these two women will recover.

There was a press conference here this AM that pre-empted the Today show. Judge Jenkins said that Nina Pham passed a good night and that her condition has been upgraded to "good."

I imagine that before long, we'll learn the name of this second patient and further details. What we have now is that she reported immediately to the hospital on having a fever and that samples of her blood (or whatever they test) were sent to a lab in Austin and that shortly after midnight, it was confirmed that she does have Ebola. Another sample will be sent to CDC for a second opinion, but no one doubts that she has the disease.

Please keep in mind what we here on the scene are enduring and don't make cruel posts that you wouldn't want someone in Dallas to make if it was your city that was affected.

You should be fine in Dallas. It is looking like mistakes at the hospital caused the infections, not any new means of transmission. None of Duncan's family and friends have taken ill. Staff exposure may have taken place when they incubated Duncan. Unless you are a worker who treated Duncan, a close associate of his, or a sexual partner there of, you have virtually no chance of getting ebola.

Though I am sure quite a few people have made money via selling things to allay fears. I bought a few Tychem suits myself.

Just what are you proposing, counselor? That we burn our neighborhoods and ourselves?

So now another ebola infection, another nurse. So how many of her friends are they watching? Let's see, they were in contact with 76 from the first nurse so...

Ever feel like you are living in an episode of South Park?

The nurses were on the same team, so probably had largely the same contacts. No idea how many the second nurse knew outside of the hospital, though.

Yes but the news just said she took a flight on frontier airlines and may have infected others.

Only very intimate contacts are likely at risk. I followed the news closely of the cluster in Nigeria. No casual contacts of those healthcare workers infected got sick. None of those who cared for Duncan at home got sick (yet). No one on the planes, no one in the apartment.

Hope you are right.

You would think they would have quarantined the doctors and nurses for 21 days after they handled Duncan. I have no faith in their ability to contain the virus.

Agree with you! we have the same problem here in France......one contaminated nurse is alwright now, but the rest of the team (doctor, nurses...) are in survey for at least two weeks more!!

this and the Dallas Dingbat nurse I saw on the news last night in her protective gear.
Omahas bio containment unit mandates a positive pressure suit.
This chicks hair was sticking out.
The knowledge is NOT where we need it.

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Just found out the current nurse in Dallas that tested positive spent 5 days in Akron visiting family. The $&@/ gonna hit the fan up here!

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Anyone else ever seen this? The effort is to explain how fission works, contamination can work similarly. The only way to stop the reaction is to eliminate mousetraps. Meaning effective isolation and decontamination.

Think of the red ping pong ball as Patient Zero.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjqIJW_Qr3c

This thing can and will be stopped, but only through effective controls. The best cure is prevention, and that means stopping Patient Zero from ever entering the environment. We still have time, but those clowns in Washington or the clowns running the airlines need to get proactive on this.

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No problem... Don't worry, be happy.

The CDC Chief says no headgear is even required.

KELLY: OK. But when I look at the CDC's website, it says that when you're putting on the protective gear as the medical personnel, and you know that the nurses have come out and complained that in some of these hospitals, they're just posting it on the bulletin board. "Hey, check the CDC's website to figure out how to deal with Ebola." And the nurses are saying, "Really? A life and death matter for me? This is insufficient."  

But I looked at the website and it says, you are only supposed to wear one pair of gloves. And it says, you don't have to cover your head, you know, head gear, head cover, and you don't have to cover your feet. Now, wouldn't you admit that that is insufficient?

FRIEDEN: No. We know how Ebola spreads. It spreads by direct contact. And you know, sometimes more isn't better. You put on more layers, you put on more things, they're harder to get on. They're harder to get off.  

KELLY: Really?

FRIEDEN: Yes, really.

KELLY: You would go into a highly infected Ebola patient's room without covering your head, with only wearing one pair of gloves and with your feet exposed? You would do that?

CDC director defends Ebola response: 'Our information is clear and correct' | Fox News

It seems that everything that's done so far is reactive and not proactive.
Sort of like closing the corral gate after the horse's get out. Way to go hospital staff, way to go CDC & way to go Illustrious leaders.

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that one needs to be brought up on charges if he don't resign.
Going with some of the stuff WHO has to say, against what he says are two different worlds.
he won't even listen to those who have been there accumulating data.
While I detest the UN and its organizations, WHO seems to hold up better against logical evaluation.

This from WHO.
This from the CDC
Side by side, Im sorry, but the UN has better and more useful information.

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Thinking they should route all people coming here from infected countries to DC airports with a 10 day layover before they are allowed to move on. LOL LOL

She probably shouldn't have been traveling, but I don't think the virus can be transmitted until after the patient becomes symptomatic. I'll double check that.

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At first blush, its an excellent idea.
But there is a reason for the treason, probably leading while under the influence.
The drug runners would have it nation wide in 3 days

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Every one of your posts has more misinformation than the previous one. Please stop because you have no idea what you are talking about.

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The newest Ebola case will be taken to Atlanta.

CDC Chief says that Dallas was using "makeshift protective measures" and were "increasing the risk of contamination".

Isn't this the same guy who said Dallas was prepared to properly handle this? Now he describes Dallas as a makeshift operation.

Logic does not support that.
if it's incubating, its there to transmit.
Might take some extra effort to do so, perhaps even highly unlikely acts, but I'll take that with a grain of salt.

reading through more of the World Health Orgs stuff raises a concern....
While they are bickering about the nonsensical minutia, what's being done to keep it out of the food supply? and has ANYONE seen or heard ANY PSA's advising against consumption of any meat, cooked to less than well done?

Has anyone seen any PSA's covering the disposal of dead critters?

Anyone understand the roots, purpose, and current importance of the fine sport of varminting?
If so ... how many have you bagged so far?

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"the horn on the bus goes beep beep beep"

A regular Baghdad Bob isn't he?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfAeMtcURg0

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There is no reason for a positive pressure suit. None of the infectious disease training I had, which included Ebola and other hemorrhagic diseases included that. We were trained to use N95 masks and were fit tested for using them. We also were trained to use Tyvek suits, double glove, eye protection, and use care in doffing our gear after patient contact.

Here is a picture of a couple of my former co workers transporting a patient from Logan Airport.

https://www.facebook.com/45199216154...534155/?type=1

They're the guys in yellow, the patient is in white. The hospital police officer is in his regular clothes.

A friend of mine works at a Boston hospital and he was designated to be in charge of one of the other patients from the airport. There were two reasons for that. First, he's had more training than most of the other nurses. Second, he was the only one that didn't panic at the thought.

There's a lot of bad information out there, and a lot of bad information in this thread.

None of which is to say I have any confidence in the CDC to deal with this. Good procedure when dealing with any infectious patient is sufficient to deal with potential exposure.

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I wish that characterization was an over exaggeration, sadly it isn't.

CDC expert is a moron. Standard infectious disease precautions say mask, goggles, headgear. Foot coverings are optional, but I'd say prudent.

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And that is why he needs to resign.
His incompetence has directly endangered two medical professionals.
We can't win this without them.

There is misinformation, bad information and spotty information.
some of which is understandable. This is not a particularly common affliction like strep, which has been studied extensively.
There is more to learn about it.

Then there is us, the common folks, who are told it's here, and has spread to two medical professionals.
We see some contact tracking, and quarantine procedure, but nothing else that the WHO has clearly outlined.

So .. what can we, the common folk, do to help?
CDC hasn't even told us to wash our hands

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Yes we can. Actually, we're better off without them. Infectious disease control is pretty straightforward.

Dallas Pres. is not the place I'd want these patients. They just aren't equipped and their staff is not trained to handle this.

They aren't the only one. I just got an email from one of my bosses. Some of our client FDs and their base hospital are concerned because they are not trained or equipped to deal with this. That's despite the fact that the state requires them to have infectious disease procedures in place.

The part I blame the CDC for is not reinforcing that there is a serious threat of this sort of thing here. Not over the past month, but over the past ten or so years. They are more interested in liberal social engineering than dealing with serious medical threats.

Again, I'll stop before I express political opinions.

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Yeah, the bike lane project here is some of that handywork.
only real health increase from that is observed in the auto body repair segment.

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