It has been confirmed that an un-named health care worker at Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas has got Ebola. A doctor has just basically dodged meaningful questions at a press conference in Dallas. He seemed very uneasy and a little nervous, as did Mayor Mike Rawlings and others.

In other Ebola news, Mayor Rawlings has confirmed that cleanup techniques are now being applied to the entire The Ivy apartment complex where Ebola victim Duncan was staying. Previously, they said that only the apartment where Duncan was present needed treatment.

The doctor did confirm that the medical worker who is infected wore protective clothing while dealing with the late Mr. Duncan.

I've felt all along that officials knew more than they were telling while trying to head off panic. Now, this particular worker has contracted what they said was almost impossible to get unless one contacted Duncan's bodily fluids. The doctor refused to say what the role of the worker was, except that he or she was a lower tier person not deemed to be in a high risk group. And that he/she was wearing protective gear!

This just gets worse all the time. They need to stop flights from entering the US from West Africa. I'd make a suggestion about that, but it'd probably violate board rules re political content.

Please pray for this new victim and for all others who may contract this awful disease. I don't think we've heard the last of it. And it's hitting awfully close to home for me. My allergist's office is near Presbyterian and I don't live all that far away, myself, by car. I'm sure that some workers at Presby shop where I do and live near me.

I'm not terrified, but am very concerned. I was missing my daughter. Now, I'm glad that she and her family moved to another state earlier this year. They're likely safer there, especially as she has young kids in school.

Scary stuff. We need to close the gates in certain parts of the world. Just remember the world is a lot smaller than it use to be.

And let the PANIC begin. That's exactly what the media has been trying to stir up.
I believe we should all be cautious, but not hysterical which is what they want.

__________________
Dick

I don't think that anybody wants hysterical, but to me, it is pretty scary. This newest case really is a game changer if the person was wearing protective gear! IMO bringing these folks to the US is a huge mistake!!!!!!!!!!

__________________
Miss My Buddy crsides!!

Huge mistake?
Sorta depends on the results you want whether this is a mistake or a gambit.....
I've been trying to figure out who's running this country - I can't.

__________________
In dog years I'm dead.

A quick check on CNN calls her a nurse, but I find myself wondering if she was a CNA. Though an important chain in care, CNAs are sometimes called "butt wipers", owing to a frequent unpleasant part of the job. CNAs are low paid and the training is not as thorough as it should be at times unfortunately.

If you really want to get worried though...maybe the assumption that she contracted it at the hospital is incorrect. Perhaps the gear worked fine and was used properly, but there could already exist another unknown reservoir of infection in the Dallas area.

Most likely though...a simple mistake was made, perhaps in removing the gear. It happens all the time, that is why MRSA is a problem in hospitals.

What's MRSA?

I googled how ebola is transmitted person to person and it said by contact with bodily fluids. I googled how the common cold is transmitted and it said by contact with bodily fluids. Basically sneezing can transmit either one if you think about it. The wording for both was similar. Suppose a person with ebola, even without symptoms yet, is traveling by any sort of mass transit. He or she could leave germs on armrests etc leaving the next person to come in contact with the disease. Airlines do quick turn arounds on flights with very little cleaning aside from trash pickup so how can we be sure we're not being exposed.

I'm not panicking but I also don't want to be the person who proves it can be contracted like a common cold.

Good point, and I bet that many of those health workers ride the bus and train. I have been in that hospital and a very high percentage of workers there fit the profile for persons likely to do that.

Moreover, Dallas taxi drivers overwhelmingly fit the profile for people likely to come in contact with persons likely to live near where Duncan did or in that very complex. Some come from countries where the virus is prevalent.

It's time to shut down travel to and from that part of the world. We do not need to take any more chances with this. It should not be up to TSA employees to be pre-screening these people either.
If the Goobers of Government want to keep this type of approach then let them put medical staff at these locations to do the job.
I think they need to take the old Ellis Island approach, in fact Ellis Island still should be operating!

MRSA information MRSA infection Definition - Diseases and Conditions - Mayo Clinic

Basically it is an antibiotic resistant staph infection that often spreads in hospitals because of lapses in infection control.

Reading more articles has the new case referenced as a "health care worker" and not nurse, which further suggests "CNA".

I did discover a reference to the new case having a pet, though not what sort. Dogs are believed to be asymptomatic carriers, I am not sure about cats.

The They are not spelling it out in articles, but decontamination of a living space means losing most of your belongings. I suspect once this becomes common knowledge, that some people will just choose to stick it out at home and not report their symptoms or at least be more reluctant to.

What will be worrisome is if the new case was an immigrant with friends and associates of an undocumented nature who are working all over the Dallas food service industry. If that is the case, I would suggest preparing your own meals and eating out of cans for a while...

This is the best place for information.

There is a lot of mis information and propaganda out there.
I have even seen blogs made up to look like official CDC pages.
So please be aware that some folks are feeding and promoting panic for some evil purpose. I don't know what agenda they have and am pretty sure it is not a coordinated "conspiracy."
My whole point is check your sources please.


Best source >>
Safe Management of Patients with Ebola Virus Disease (EVD) in U.S. Hospitals | Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever | CDC

__________________
Have a blessed day ,
Bull

Let us hope the studies are correct...already some specialist are wondering why the disease has spread to some that had little or no physical contact. we have become shy for some reason with the world in general. Those Marines that were sent to west Africa I hope are armed and can defend themselves...No telling what they will come up against over there. As to being shy why for Gods sake don't we get the Marine with PD home from Mexico...One call from the president commenting on the possibility of closing the border for one week could cause the Mexican government to fall if that in fact were to become a reality...Being shy isn't one of our best traits or wasn't......How about lets do what is best for the U.S. when has that become a bad thing?

One issue that has not been fully discussed or documented is how exactly to prove an environment (surfaces, equipment, supplies,etc....)has or have been effectively decontaminated. This IMHO, is a much bigger issue than actually caring for someone who clearly has the disease.

__________________
"You're messin' up my Zen"

I guess his family are all medical experts? I guess then he should of stayed where he came from for better care?
One thing that really irritates me is when people like this cry and whine when things don't work out. Duncan knew exactly what he was doing when he boarded that plane. Maybe he should have fessed up in the homeland and started medical treatment sooner.

It doesn't seem to me that much is being done to reduce the public fear. We have talking heads come on and say "nothing to see here", we have the dubious action of asking Homeland Security to fill out questionnaires, we have purportedly trained health care workers contracting the virus from the one known patient (you'd think with only one patient they could get a handle on it), and they are sending Marines to West Africa to combat the virus? I pray to God this doesn't happen, but I am betting one or more of these guys contracts the virus.

This is not being handled well.

__________________
Even older, even crankier....

Yup, we do strange things here in the US.

Agent Orange

__________________
Doesn't hasta call me Johnson

We sure do. I'd like to see a resurrected George Patton in charge; he had a habit of getting things straightened out damn quick.

John

__________________
- Cogito, ergo armatus sum -

Here's what I don't get. Duncan went to the hospital. So did that deputy up in Nevada (who tested negative), then this "health care worker" goes walking in to a hospital. Why the heck don't these people stay home and CALL the hospital?

If the ebols folks called the hospital, the hospital folks would tell them to come in, would they not?

Latest from CNN, healthcare worker, is believed to have been contaminated when removing P.P.E. at end of shift.
Perhaps then need a two person team, with check list to be followed step by step, when putting on or removing P.P.E. Something along the lines commercial pilots use.

Earlier this year, the US and Euro governments restricted flights in and out of Israel for "national security" reasons.

Now, we/they have a REAL national security threat, but those same governments won't issue travel bans to the West African countries ravaged by ebola. Why? I think we know.

I heard one of the talking head gov't doctor's saying that things such as contracting Ebola via contact with keyboards, door knobs, etc is all "hypothetical".
I feel so much better knowing this.

__________________
Sure you did

Alcoa closed at 14.71 Friday, they may be involved.

__________________
Doesn't hasta call me Johnson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5p7A-T7D-sg

__________________
Have a blessed day ,
Bull

You know there is an acceptable number of deaths that we'll tolerate until we get serious, wonder what that number is.

I threw some extra canned goods in the basket today and will not be squandering ammo just punching paper until I see where this thing is going.

I have visions of going to my BO place to ride it out.

__________________
Back to back World War Champs.

I guess the hazmat team dispatched to the healthcare worker's apartment complex were hypothetically decontaminating all the public areas of the complex, handrails and parking lot... Hypothetically.

Latest out of the CDC.
"we're deeply concerned"

CDC Head Warns Additional Ebola Cases Possible in Coming Days | Watch XFINITY Videos Online | News | Comcast

__________________
Sure you did

The Ebola genie has escaped its bottle. I am afraid that the US has mishandled it from the very start. And now, to compound the problem, we are sending 4,000 soldiers to Africa to help stuff the genie back into its bottle. If the powers that be decide we need to sustain that effort, more troops will be sent into fray. Unfortunately this enemy is invulnerable to M4's, SAWs or grenades. These poor troops are being sent to fight a battle for which they have no appropriate tools or training. What are the chances that they can avoid exposure? And if they do contract the disease, how can they be helped?

I'm no xenophobe, but because of the infectious threat posed Ebola, we should have stopped flights into the US from any African country with reported Ebola cases. Too late now. What is worse, we are now tempting fate by sending our fine troops into the disease nexus. I want to conclude with a word that is prohibited on the forum.

Out
West

The experts were telling us what to believe, and that they knew how to handle the outbreak. Now it turns out they're wrong. I'm not sure why we should believe other things they saw. Its my best guess that they're wrong about other things. Worse, we don't know if they're intentionally lying or if they just don't know. Or both. Believing a government spokesman telling us to be calm and that they've got it under control is anything but settling. They've now got a reputation for either lying or just being dead wrong. Why should we trust anything they say until they earn a reputation (over time) of being correct? I think maybe I should start reloading in more volume.

Will someone remind me when the last time a government spokesman did more good than harm? Do you believe anything the head of our government or the CDC says? Are you that gullible?

__________________
Dick Burg

Why is he deeply concerned? Isn't everyone nodding in approval of everything he says... what could go wrong?

Reuters is reporting that a person who recently returned from Liberia is being evaluated in a Boston Hospital after showing Ebola symptoms.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0I10UZ20141012

Unbelievable! Stop the flights in and out of those west african countries!

We(some) don't believe the BS?

__________________
Sure you did

CDC head honcho says restricting travel between the U.S. and West Africa would likely “backfire” and put Americans more at risk of contracting Ebola.

So.... If you wish to keep Ebola out of the America, the smart thing to do is fly every day hundreds of people from Ebola ravaged areas of the world into America. Epidemiology at its finest.

There are procedures for donning and doffing PPE that are pretty clear. The problem is that people like to take short cuts. We'd run into that during HazMat drills. People would take short cuts, but swear that they would follow the procedures during a "real" situation. Of course, you perform as you practice.

Which seems to be a problem at Dallas Presbyterian.

The Boston case is interesting, but it's too early to say what it really is.

I'm in favor of travel restrictions from west Africa. It's really a prudent move. I'll stop there because any further and I might tread into political territory.

__________________
Can open, worms everywhere.

I was in training to be in the medical field and had to take blood readings from a TB patient. I was 100 percent aware of everything going on and what I was doing. I did not get TB but I saw lots of careless people in different roles who were just as careless. Remember a C- doctor is called a doctor just like an A+ student.

In the words of many in this city, "Que?"

I'm starting to wonder what the rest of the world is doing. Other country's preventative measures don't seem to be getting much attention from the televised talking heads. Surely the USA is not the only country that West Africans travel to and from. I'll agree that we should be mostly concerned with the homeland at this time, but unless we're a deliberate target from which all others have been effectively isolated, then there may be things that we could learn from others.

Duncan traveled through Belgium prior entering the US. I have family there. I'm not panicking yet, but I am starting to pay attention. This whole thing does reek of having been mishandled, behaviors which are still in progress. -S2

There is a certain category of person for whom cause and effect is... fuzzy. They seem to believe that their desires drive the effects more than their actions. The scary part is when these people are put in decision making positions.

What scares me is the possibility of the ebola virus mutating into something more easily transmitted.

__________________
Proud anachronism

South Africa and neighboring countries have their borders closed to anyone from Liberia, Sierra Leone, or Guinea. They allow heir own citizens to return from these countries, in some cases into quarantine.

During the outbreak in Nigeria, Nigerians traveling to China were greeted by Chinese authorities in biohazard suits who took their temperature and in some cases sprayed them with disinfectant.

Watch to see what the Russians opt to do. Putin cares about his people.

And with every newly infected person the virus has a new biological laboratory in which to make many millions (billions?) of copies of itself, any one of which might contains a transcription error that makes it more virulent or more resistant to treatment or able to survive longer outside a host.
The movie Contagion was on the other night and despite movies like that and Outbreak being largely fictional they should be required viewing for anyone making decisions regarding infectious diseases, especially deadly diseases with little or no effective treatment options.

Just occurred to me that here is a potentially huge market for infrared temperature sensors such as one that can be attached to a cell phone, allowing people to detect when others approaching have a fever at a great enough distance to avoid any close contact.

I seem to recall all the doom-mongers saying the same about AIDS 30 years ago. I'm not holding my breath for either.

I hate to say this I guess...After watching the head of CDC talk about Ebola I am sure we know not enough to be the worlds doctor....Until we know for sure, the borders should be closed, or closely monitored (as if that is remotely possible) I heard him say the latest nurse to get ebola from a patient was to blame.....Yet she wore all the garb......He was so ungenerous that it made me sick of him real quick. What has happened to this great country????? Now 76 I have seen great and wonderful advances in all kinds of scientific endeavors, now we seem to be no better than our partners in this world of ours....If I see Susan Rice one more time preaching to the citizens of this once wonderful country, I think I'll just trow up......I know a rant....ISIS, Ebola, Russian incursions into Europe,mad man in some African country terrorizing young girls and killing their families..We wonder why European countries won't help...Not hard to understand!.

Anyone hear James Comey's comment last night? He's the head of the FBI and to paraphrase, he said " don't trust the powers that be". He was speaking in general. A bit stunning.

__________________
Sure you did

Long time ago I heard the phrase.....(I'm here from the government to help you) forgot who said it and exactly why.....Has it ever been more a line of **** than now...I can't remember if it has.....

To me this is just more evidence of biblical prophecy of the end times being fulfilled. It`s all in place. Wars, rumor of wars, PLAGUES (Ebola), a no money system, (the 666 thing), increase of knowledge, (computers), the mid east wanting to wipe Israel off the map, Christians being killed etc.

i HOPE YOU ARE WRONG...not the prophecy, just the timing. I have grand kids and even a great grandson I would hope he could grow to maturity...Maybe things could get better, I sure hope so......I'll admit don't look good right now.....I know one thing we can't or should just sand by and let the inevitable happen .....As the Mid East goes I'm afraid so does the rest of us. I just watched again the movie Khartoum ...Gorden was a smart guy and he saw the Mahdi revolution coming and no body listened. It was proved he the Mahdi was a false prophet...Let us pray the animals now called ISIS are the same and get their just results......I just don't know who is going to met out their demise.

I'm flabbergasted when the "experts" say that ebola can only be transmitted by direct contact with contaminated human matter, and that it's not airborne. Folks, even an idiot can see the fallacy in this misstatement.

Check this scenario. An ebola victim, knowingly or unknowingly, is standing next to you.

And he or she sneezes. Do you know how far bodily fluids are ejected from a sneeze? No, I don't either. But one thing I DO know is that the disease is now AIRBORNE. To claim that's not possible is pure ********.

John

__________________
- Cogito, ergo armatus sum -

Nothing to sneeze at......
Nothing to Sneeze At - YouTube

__________________
Even older, even crankier....

George, there are several other interpretations that many follow. Like pre tribulation, post tribulation etc. I want to believe the pre trib explanation. (But really dont know). That way the christian wouldn't die for the thousand year millennium but would stay here and rule.. Sounds too good to me! Hope I do live to see it but 74 years is coming up for me and I ain`t the poster boy for fitness. There is suppose to be 7 terrible years (The tribulation). Maybe this might be the precursor to those seven? No one knows for sure until we are there. Many thought it was imminent in 1948 when Israel was formed. I dont claim to understand all this it`s above my pay grade and I do wonder about the ones that do claim to know it all. I just have faith and actually I dont worry but do wonder about it.