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Seattle Times Lying about Lead Contamination Levels at Ranges
It is my understanding that the Seattle Times is running a Witch hunt on this topic, based on their misuse of medical statistics and creating a mountain out of a mole hill.
My understanding is that they were only able to find one indoor range out of compliance on filtering lead levels out of the air. Within this facility which has been cited for endangering their members, The Times had 50 shooters tested for lead levels in their blood. The testing only found two individuals with significant lead in the bloodstream. These two individuals out of 50 (4%) people tested at .2 micrograms of lead per deciliter. The state of Washington health standard states that a person must have .6 micrograms or three times the level cited in the Times article. The medical lab further stated that this level of lead is not considered hazardous to the person and will return to normal levels when the range has cleaned their filters.
This to me constitutes a Witch Hunt by the Seattle Times consisting after all their testing of all the indoor ranges in the city, they only found one out of compliance and that one is complying and has not endangered anyone, child or not! This rate of lead in the blood of these two persons comprises 4% contamination rate with only 1/3rd of hazardous levels in their blood.
This does not warrant a Witch Hunt and all the staff time and warrantless charges made against indoor pistol ranges, many of which require copper plated bullets with no exposed lead anyway. Plus, all of these have filtration systems that prevent any unusual contamination levels of any shooters with more than normal lead chelation in their blood.!
I have personally spoken to the Lady PhD who is in charge of lead testing for the Departments of Fish and Game and she supported removing lead from shotgun shells which is settled law already. However her statistics have shown no lead contamination issues at any outdoor ranges that she has tested. With hunting being as limited as it presently is in this state, there is 0% possibility of any lead poisoning danger to any animal which has not been shot with lead!
These statistics shown are at best partial and therefore are Bogus! They are not normalized for local populations or against. They need thing such as T-Tests to compare these populations against populations of random residents, people who shoot outdoors, people who own the older houses in that area with lead paint and piping, for instance. Or maybe people who eat tuna sushi (w/ lead). Maybe these other populations have similar levels of lead? People who wash their hands after shooting will eliminate almost all lead contamination.
These are the same tactics and tricks that Adolph Hitler used to take the guns away from the German people in 1930-33. Scare the people, demonize a group that most people don't belong to and take away their guns! This is what defines a Witch Hunt. Most Germans who had guns and could hunt were wealthy land owners or Nobles and easy to make look bad. Is this the same tactic? Maybe because their are no comparison or statistics to prove otherwise? It is hard to learn anything about this issue from only 50 people! Statistical probability tests for this group are zilch in this study!
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10-21-2014, 10:36 PM
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IMO: The biggest range job ever pulled by the antis was in Chicago with the trap and skeet range that overlooked Lake Michigan. What really knotted the Libtards shorts was here was a shooting facility right in public view the belied their claims that gun owners were irresponsible.
They of course made their outrageous claims that the shot was polluting the lake and killing God know how many creatures.
The net result was teh range was closed.
SUBSEQUENT SCIENTIFIC TESTS REVEALED THAT ALL THE SHOT HAD SUNK 10 FEET INTO THE MUD ON THE BOTTOM AND POSED NO THREAT WHATSOEVER. More Libtard B.S.
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10-22-2014, 02:15 PM
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IIRC, there is someone at the State level in WA environmental dept pushing most of this. Federal EPA had once proposed a standard of 5 parts per billion [ppb] for lead clean up of an industrial site. This was finally turned down as this naturally occurring element was found to exceed 5 ppb in almost all of the world.They will continue to push this agenda though the facts are squarely against them.
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Originally Posted by Oldtrader3
It is my understanding that the Seattle Times is running a Witch hunt on this topic, based on their misuse of medical statistics and creating a mountain out of a mole hill.
My understanding is that they were only able to find one indoor range out of compliance on filtering lead levels out of the air. Within this facility which has been cited for endangering their members, The Times had 50 shooters tested for lead levels in their blood. The testing only found two individuals with significant lead in the bloodstream. These two individuals out of 50 (4%) people tested at .2 micrograms of lead per deciliter. The state of Washington health standard states that a person must have .6 micrograms or three times the level cited in the Times article. The medical lab further stated that this level of lead is not considered hazardous to the person and will return to normal levels when the range has cleaned their filters.
This to me constitutes a Witch Hunt by the Seattle Times consisting after all their testing of all the indoor ranges in the city, they only found one out of compliance and that one is complying and has not endangered anyone, child or not! This rate of lead in the blood of these two persons comprises 4% contamination rate with only 1/3rd of hazardous levels in their blood.
This does not warrant a Witch Hunt and all the staff time and warrantless charges made against indoor pistol ranges, many of which require copper plated bullets with no exposed lead anyway. Plus, all of these have filtration systems that prevent any unusual contamination levels of any shooters with more than normal lead chelation in their blood.!
I have personally spoken to the Lady PhD who is in charge of lead testing for the Departments of Fish and Game and she supported removing lead from shotgun shells which is settled law already. However her statistics have shown no lead contamination issues at any outdoor ranges that she has tested. With hunting being as limited as it presently is in this state, there is 0% possibility of any lead poisoning danger to any animal which has not been shot with lead!
These statistics shown are at best partial and therefore are Bogus! They are not normalized for local populations or against. They need thing such as T-Tests to compare these populations against populations of random residents, people who shoot outdoors, people who own the older houses in that area with lead paint and piping, for instance. Or maybe people who eat tuna sushi (w/ lead). Maybe these other populations have similar levels of lead? People who wash their hands after shooting will eliminate almost all lead contamination.
These are the same tactics and tricks that Adolph Hitler used to take the guns away from the German people in 1930-33. Scare the people, demonize a group that most people don't belong to and take away their guns! This is what defines a Witch Hunt. Most Germans who had guns and could hunt were wealthy land owners or Nobles and easy to make look bad. Is this the same tactic? Maybe because their are no comparison or statistics to prove otherwise? It is hard to learn anything about this issue from only 50 people! Statistical probability tests for this group are zilch in this study!
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Must be a "slow-news-day" for that rag.
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10-23-2014, 12:02 AM
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The same bunch of do-gooders that got lead banned California made a run at us in Washington State. They claimed that in an area around Wenatchee where there is a fairly healthy population of golden eagles that the eagles are eating ground squirrels that have a high degree of lead in them from the grass and such that they eat that is getting lead leached into it. We had an NRA representative tell us that the home office got involved and put them down by basically calling b.s., but thats exactly how some of those c.s. buggers work. The rifle club that I belong to has been there since 1925, we recently found out that before the rifle club was there a lead smelter was located on the same site. In fact the road that serves the area today was originally a train right of way, lead is a byproduct of the silver industry and the Idaho silver valley is only around 80 miles away. We have the place mined ever so many years, its quite impressive to see how much lead and lead shot they get out of the backstops and off the trap field. I forget how many fully loaded trailers they hauled out but I believe its a 20ton maximum and they hauled out at least three loads with our share of 55gallon barrels still here.
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10-23-2014, 03:43 AM
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I watched the "hearings" to ban lead bullets in condor country.
When they showed the "evidence" I looked at the "bullet" found in a condor's stomach and immediately recognized it as a freshwater sliding sinker - not a bullet.
Figures never lie, but liars always figure and after all... an agenda is an agenda.
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10-23-2014, 03:52 AM
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10-23-2014, 04:56 AM
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Lead poisoning? More people are dying of "lead poisoning" in Watts, Harlem and downtown Detroit than any of the gun clubs. Just saying...
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