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Old 12-19-2014, 08:39 AM
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We have been having an awful time here in the Adirondacks (along with many other places I have been hearing about) with coyotes. Stray cats don't stay stray for long and our deer herds have come up lacking. Recently I have decided that the ones behind my house in the woods have become too bold. Two weeks ago my wife looked out her bathroom window to see one on the lawn. I saw one last month in the woods but couldn't get a shot at it, and I got a mangy looking one on my trail cam. So I was able to get a deer carcass which is now securely tied to a tree. I checked it yesterday and they haven't bothered it yet, I think my scent is still on it. I did however find a couple of tracks very close to the house, in between where I hauled the carcass and the house. One medium set, and then, one very large set. None of my neighbors have dogs. The large set came down, stood on a hill that overlooks my house, and went down and made a tight loop of only about ten yards and headed back into the woods. People have been calling this one the "ghost" for some time. Back in 2010 when my property was logged there was talk of a huge coyote watching the men from a distance, not far from these tracks, and my wife saw a coyote she said made one I have on the mantle look tiny. (That one weighed 45 pounds). I measured the tracks I took pics of yesterday, and they are about 3 inches, and the one I have mounted are 2 1/4 inches. Needless to say this coyote is one I am definitely interested in.






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The coyotes around here make a husky look like a midget. 10 miles from the big city. Heavily populated suburbs. Plenty of food (both live and rubbish) and no hunting makes for a happy fat dog. I always see the "lost fluffy" postings stapled to the telephone poles. Most of the populace have no clue. Every morning about 3 AM (if I'm up) I see a pack of 4 come running down the middle of the street. If they see something one will break off to investigate and the others will post in strategic places. Very organized.

Take note of the left ear on Klyde. It's not cocked for nothing. I'm sure he's used up 8 or so lives. He's the only cat left in the neighborhood.

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Nature:Meet the Coy-wolf.

I watched this show the other day on Netflix. You might be getting some of these hybrids up your way.

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Old 12-19-2014, 09:22 AM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coywolf

We have lots of them and they are mostly small, I'd guess 30-40 lbs. We also have a big one on the prowl around here, it took one of our chickens in front of my wife, she yelled at it and it dropped the bird and cleared a 52in. fence. She called me at work all upset and told me about it. I said it couldn't have been a coyote, coyotes don't mess with fences. She swore it was the biggest yote she'd ever seen and she was right. I saw it in the middle of the road a few days later but had no gun.
In our case I'm guessing it's a coy-dog, not a coy-wolf. They aren't known to breed with western wolves and ours wolves are a long ways away.
I do admire the beasts for their adaptability and skill, but when they overpopulate it's shootin' time.
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In talking with the deer hunters here everyone has coyote stories. The numbers seen on trail cams is way up and sadly many times caught killing fawns last spring and summer. After shotgun deer season ends this weekend there is gonna be a lot of Yote hunting over the winter.
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Just watched a thing where a rabid one attacked a guy on a riding mower in South VA. Scary--- his 870 finally took care of it.
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Coywolves indeed. Got 'em around here. Rarely seen but spotted one in my headlights one night and thought I was looking at an actual wolf or full grown Husky.

The Nature doc on them on Netlfix (also online, I think) is well-worth the viewing; fascinating hybrid with unique behavior.
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Coyotes? Those are very unusual tracks for a hockey player!
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Got a pack around me. Have only seen one in the neighborhood (rural area), but from the callings at night I hear, they ain't far from it. Nothing overly bold that I've seen. I work nights and the only one I've seen of the bunch was running across the road as I was leaving the house. Called my neighbor and my wife so they had warnings to watch the dogs when they went out.

If a coyote loses it's fear of humans, and starts coming around in plain sight, time to put it down before it gets really bold.
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.327 magnum would be good coyote medicine. The dose is 100 grains applied to the chest.
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About 15 years ago my neighbor in central Vermont had a coyote on the back rack of a Honda quad. To me the way it over hanged the width of the rack on both sides it was the size of a female German Shepard. After doing some research I read were the wolves from Canada are crossing the frozen waters into the northern borders of NY. And there interbreeding with are coyotes making a wolfyote type animal. These are a more wolf looking sized animal not your little yote.

They won't admit it but I believe the mountainlions are following the same paths from Canada into the U.S. also.

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We can setup trade were they eat dogs in all the eastern countries?

I built a 7mm mauser rifle that has a 29" barrel as a long distance varmint rifle. There smart and keep there distance. But the telephone pole barrel will reach out and wack them.

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Should be easy to track that one David... he leaves a trail of foldin' money behind.

As I recall they think the origins of the hybrid is in the Adirondacks, but they are quickly spreading out. Even seen in Central Park.

None so far in this part of the state that I've heard about.
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Couple years ago my wife an I saw a cougar in the field next to our house. Then we hear an awful racket one night in the woods about a 1/4 SE of our house. It sounded for all the world like the pack of coyotes that roam the area had treed the cougar. After about 15 min. or so the cougar must have decided to get down from the tree because the coyotes started yelping like crazy and very shortly they were howling in the woods to the NW of our house.
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When the fire trucks run, we hear where all the packs are. There are 3 packs around my brothers house, Due west, one to the north and one to the south. The pack north of his house was the second pack south of where I just moved from. When I moved I found my old coyote hunting tapes and equipment. I won't get out this winter, but I think I'll be ready by warm weather for "song dog" hunting. Ivan
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Most of the coyotes around here are pretty small. Have not gotten a glimpse (or a shot) but hear them pretty regular, and see a lot of sign.

Did get to see a pair of unusual ones a couple of years ago. Driving in the Ozarks down U. S. 65 between Marshall, and Leslie, and in the edge of a field saw this pair that was easily 3 to 4 times the size of normal song dogs. Some kind of mix, had to be.
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We don't have wolves here, but some coy-dogs get much bigger than either parent animal. Some real bruisers.
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I live in N.C. off I-95 about 33 miles from the S.C. line. We have had coyotes for a long time but things have changed. My farm is 300 acres and I control another 150 next to me. There is plenty of game {deer,turkey.coon and so on} but something has everything spooked. I can find sign everywhere but have only seen 2 deer an 3 turkeys for all of 2014.
My farm backs up to a 1500 acre marsh and swamp which also has black bear. I will go to this area and spend several hours just sitting and the silence is deafening. This is the first year I have gone there and heard nothing. I have caught a flash of a few yotes but that is all.
I have found tracks the size of the pics in op's post and also some very large cat tracks. We only have {or so it is said} Bobcats in this area and if this is one it is world class in size. If anyone has any thoughts let me know. I would like to buy some trail cams if someone could tell me what is a very good one. I have had cheap ones but they only lasted one season. Thanks Ragman.
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Too bad they don't taste that good...................
but the money for BIG "Fluffy" pelts will work !!

Oh wait, forget that, that is supposed to be a "You don't know that" thing...........

They have "Mange" and are miniature in size..........
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When we are in our deer stands if we see a coyote we shoot them on sight even if it messes up our hunt. Also, there have been reports of cougars attacking livestock in southside Virginia. Of course the DGIF says there are no cougars in Virginia. We all know the government never lies.
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We've got 'em here, too. I don't think any animal can adapt to different surroundings as well as a coyote...except maybe a cockroach. Wait a minute...a cockroach is an insect, right?

Anyway, there was a bumper sticker put out by the Utah Wool Growers Association that was quite popular in this state not too long ago. It read:
"Eat Utah Lamb. One Million Coyotes Can't Be Wrong!"

I was riding one of the mules up the canyon not too far from our place the other day and saw one a couple of hundred yards away. Unfortunately, I wasn't packing my rifle or that ol' boy would've been lashed down to the back of my saddle. At least, that's what I hope would've happened. Our state has a fifty dollar bounty on the critters. And believe me...it's well deserved.
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We have mountainlions, lynx, bobcat, fishers, blackbears at my northern camp in vt. And at home in the rural area.

I taught my wife and kids to be aware about the surroundings and pay attention to smells, to sounds, and sight. You need to stay alert at all times.

My wife and daughter are walking the dog at my daughter's condo. The spotted a mountain lion busy eating something behind a fallen tree. The dog didn't see it. The wind was in the wrong direction. They backed out of the woods. My son told the condo people and showed them the big cat tracks in the snow and no one believed him. The children who live in the condo play outside there. One morning the mountain lion takes a walk threw the center of the condo parking lot at 7am when people are going to work. It's OMG a mountain lion.

I had a 350/400lb black bear at my home. I'm surrounded by horse farms.

I'm up in the higher elevations of vt where no humans ever go on a ancient
Probably a 100+ year old logging road. It's a one log bridge. Now this was 25 years ago. I came across a show and her cub tracks in the snow.
Right behind the bear tracks was large cat tracks. I knew they were mountain lion tracks. I had a throw away cheap camera in my pocket. I took pics with a pack of cigarettes next to the size of the track. So the relationship could be seen. This was up the side of a mountain in Herrington national forest. I drove my cj7 jeep as far as we could go and we hiked up more for miles. Now my point is the tracks were only seen in the higher elevations. Fast forward to around 1998 and I had a mountain lion at my camp growling at us like on wild America. We seen it the night before in my headlites on my road. The next morning it's at my camp. So now the population is growing and there spreading out.

My point is teach your kids about the threat from the predators in the wilds.
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Coywolves indeed. Got 'em around here. Rarely seen but spotted one in my headlights one night and thought I was looking at an actual wolf or full grown Husky.

The Nature doc on them on Netlfix (also online, I think) is well-worth the viewing; fascinating hybrid with unique behavior.
The last one I seen was the spitting image of a full grown wolf. It wasn't a scruffy looking coyote. It was a beautiful looking animal.
This one I'm sure my lab chased it when it was a pup. It's face with the colors of the four looked awesome.
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Years ago when I resided in CT, my property had about an acre of undeveloped wetlands out back. It was the only unmolested wooded area in the neighborhood, and played host to numerous critters, from deer to raccoons to possum to fox. On occasion a pair coyotes would pass through, and the house cats were always at risk. One afternoon, I heard a cat howling outside ... I ran to the back door as the cat came galloping past with a huge yote in hot pursuit. As I opened the slider, Wile E. stopped less than 10" from me and stared. He looked to be the size a German Shepherd, and was much bigger than any other yote I'd ever seen ... almost resembling a wolf. I successfully chased him off, but was always wary after that encounter. Some of my hikes here in PA find me checking tracks and scat ... we've got some big coyotes here too.
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