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Were the Smurfs Nazi propaganda?
Most times with a conspiracy theory, it is best to be skeptical. Over the years there have been various theories that the Smurfs were Communists, etc and a few that suggested that they were Nazis. The latter tended to be a superficial analysis, but if you know a bit of history, it becomes a bit troubling. I now wonder if the Smurfs were meant to represent some sort of variant theory of Nationalist Socialist Utopia.
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Some say the Smurfs addressing each other as "comrade" aka Smurf shows they were Communists. But the Nazis had the same habit.
Attempts by the Smurfs to have something like democracy, where they by pass their leader always go badly. A strong leader of a communal village living in tune with nature is portrayed as the natural order. This was the theoretical model to exist in post war occupied Russia is the Germans won...small "green" villages.
The Smurfs are all one color. They wear identical uniforms. They are identified by stereotypes of class/occuption ie the worker, the engineer, the intellectual, the artist. All live as part of one community, under one leader, with the overall purpose being the good of the community. The primary identifier of a Smurf is...being a Smurf... loyality to their "volk".
Their enemy, Gargamel, seems to be drawn as an Anti-Semetic stereo type. He has a large hooked nose, he is dirty and unkempt. His house is unclean. It is hinted that he communes with dark powers. All that is the cassic image of the Jews as unclean "others" presented in Nazi cinema and propaganda.
Gargamel at first wants to eat the Smurfs, a reference to Medieval stories where Jews were alleged to steal and murder Christian babies, poison wells, and various other misdeeds perhaps. Later he wanted to kill them and turn them into gold. IE the capitalist wanted to enrich himself by the exploitation of the workers. Again, straight off a 1933 or so propaganda poster.
The Smurfs were not atheists ala Communists proper. Instead they followed some sort of quasi Pagan German nature based religion. They were beholden to Mother Nature and continually tried to follow or impose "the natural order", again the same as 1930s propaganda portrayals of Nationalist Socialism. This was the Nazis plan for Germany originally, to replace Christianity with a quasi pagan Germanic religion called the thingenstat. Opposition from German churchs caused this to be dropped.
Brainy Smurf, followed by a less intelligent Smurf, causes problems and thinks he can replace Papa Smurf but cannot. This represents an attack on intellectualism. Contrast this with the positive portrayal of Handy (the worker) and Carpenter (the practical engineer). A classic target of all manner of Socialism and the classic heroes.
Azrael, the cat, is named after the Hebrew Angel of Death.
Smurfette is originally created by Gargamel to distract and lure the Smurfs. When first created and "bad" she is a dusky featured brunette. Only later after Papa Smurf works his magic is she transformed into a blonde haired vixen.
As originally portrayed in comics, if Smurfs took ill with a particular illness, they turned black, lost all intellect and began to exihibit savage characteristics.
Johan, a German youth, virtually worships the Smurfs and tries to do all he can to assist them. This is despite adults not understanding or being corrupted...ie he represents the Hitler Youth.
Papa Smurf wears red, a color associated with Communism, but in fact very commonly used in Nationalist Socialism. In the 1936 propaganda film "Triumph of the Will", Rudolf Hess is seen introducing Hitler by exclaiming "Ein Fuehrer, Ein Volk, Ein Reich". One leader, one people, one nation. The exact portrayal of Papa Smurf. He is an autocratic leader, not to be questioned, all wise and embodying the will of the people. Having ideas contrary to his wisdom is portrayed as foolish and dangerous, the pursuit of the fool and the intellectual.
The similar Snorks, who live underwater are portrayed as being various colors, and tolerant of foreigners, but have a more chaotic and troubled society contrary to the society of the Smurfs.
Papa Smurf actually says, channeling Marx but also Nationalist Socialist philosophy, that the good of the many (of the Smurfs/Volk) outweighs the needs of the few... In fact, for a Smurf, the whole concept of that which is good is "Smurfy"...in German this would be "Volkisch"...or for the good slash harmony of the people.
Heil Papa Smurf! French sociologist compares the Smurfs to Nazis and Stalinists | Daily Mail Online a French professor noticed many of the same things, and wrote "The Little Blue Book" outlining how the Surfs seemed to embrace some sort of hybrid of Nationalist Socialism and Stalinism.
This is right up there with realizing that Ewoks eat their prisoners in casting 1980s childhood memories in a new light.
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So, any thoughts on Gilligan's Island?
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Now that you mention it...
The S.S. Minnow sank in that storm, and all aboard perished. There was no island in a real sense, rather they were all trapped in a sort of purgatory, into which other lost souls sometimes wandered, where they could not escape until they learned some lesson. The storm represented their passing. Washing up on that island? They were all dead.
Skipper was trapped because he felt guilt for his actions during WW2. This was symbolized, among other times, by the episode where he thought the others were all Japanese soldiers and imprisoned them in a cage.
Mr and Mrs Thurston were in purgatory because of their greed.
Ginger because of her vanity.
The professor was trapped because his belief in rational science failed him. Notice how every attempt to use science to escape failed?
Gilligan is there because he made a mistake in the storm, or at least blames himself for making one, that sank the ship and drowned them all. Thus his continuing mistakes continue to keep him - and everyone else - trapped.
Mary Anne obviously has something dark lurking. I believe her wholesome image is a front. Back in the American Midwest she poisoned her parents (notice how she always cooks), sold the farm and took that trip to Hawaii. Alternatively, she is just consumed by guilt for leaving the Midwest and taking a hedonistic vacation.
Thus the true meaning behind the "castaways".
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Now that you mention it...
The S.S. Minnow sank in that storm, and all aboard perished. There was no island in a real sense, rather they were all trapped in a sort of purgatory, into which other lost souls sometimes wandered, where they could not escape until they learned some lesson. The storm represented their passing. Washing up on that island? They were all dead.
Skipper was trapped because he felt guilt for his actions during WW2. This was symbolized, among other times, by the episode where he thought the others were all Japanese soldiers and imprisoned them in a cage.
Mr and Mrs Thurston were in purgatory because of their greed.
Ginger because of her vanity.
The professor was trapped because his belief in rational science failed him. Notice how every attempt to use science to escape failed?
Gilligan is there because he made a mistake in the storm, or at least blames himself for making one, that sank the ship and drowned them all. Thus his continuing mistakes continue to keep him - and everyone else - trapped.
Mary Anne obviously has something dark lurking. I believe her wholesome image is a front. Back in the American Midwest she poisoned her parents (notice how she always cooks), sold the farm and took that trip to Hawaii. Alternatively, she is just consumed by guilt for leaving the Midwest and taking a hedonistic vacation.
Thus the true meaning behind the "castaways".
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Now that you mention it...
The S.S. Minnow sank in that storm, and all aboard perished. There was no island in a real sense, rather they were all trapped in a sort of purgatory, into which other lost souls sometimes wandered, where they could not escape until they learned some lesson. The storm represented their passing. Washing up on that island? They were all dead.
Skipper was trapped because he felt guilt for his actions during WW2. This was symbolized, among other times, by the episode where he thought the others were all Japanese soldiers and imprisoned them in a cage.
Mr and Mrs Thurston were in purgatory because of their greed.
Ginger because of her vanity.
The professor was trapped because his belief in rational science failed him. Notice how every attempt to use science to escape failed?
Gilligan is there because he made a mistake in the storm, or at least blames himself for making one, that sank the ship and drowned them all. Thus his continuing mistakes continue to keep him - and everyone else - trapped.
Mary Anne obviously has something dark lurking. I believe her wholesome image is a front. Back in the American Midwest she poisoned her parents (notice how she always cooks), sold the farm and took that trip to Hawaii. Alternatively, she is just consumed by guilt for leaving the Midwest and taking a hedonistic vacation.
Thus the true meaning behind the "castaways".
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Something else terrifying? The Jetsons and the Flintstones took place at the same time and in the same world. The elites had flying cars and lived in floating cities. Beneath them on the post apocalyptic surface lived the "primitives" with scraps of technology and genetically engineered creatures instead of robot maids and flying cars. George Jetson was terrified of losing his job because if he did, it would mean being sent to the surface to live.
Now Scooby was the really dark cartoon.
It was all the hallucination/afterlife of PFC Norville "Shaggy" Rogers.
Fred had been his squad leader and Sergeant, hence his leadership role. Sarge had always set the claymores and warned about the VC booby traps, hence Fred's obsession with traps. His ever present ascot is representative of his chevrons.
Fred and Shaggy went to high school together. Only Fred enlisted whereas Shaggy was later drafted. Notice how Fred drives and Shaggy is in the back, always going where he does?
Daphne was Fred's girl back in the world. Shaggy knew her, but always thought she was too good for him. Thus she is always with Fred. Shaggy always hoped for a girl like her, thus he plays a role in rescuing her when she gets into trouble.
Velma is the girlfriend Shaggy actually settled for. He never really loved her, but liked her. Hence her portrayal as not terribly interested but the one Shaggy gets with when the group splits up.
Shaggy is always hungry because he died of starvation in a Viet Cong prison camp. He feels like the coward for letting himself be captured.
The monsters reference his missions before his death. The monster is really a person, reflecting how Shaggy was ambiguous about the war, whereas Fred aways wanted to go after the monsters. The monsters, ie the VC, also apear the same as normal people when not monstering, the same as the VC blended in with the population. Thus Shaggy is always afraid.
Scooby was another member of their squad, best friend to Shaggy. He died so horribly that Shaggy can not even allow himself to visualize Scooby as a person, thus confuses the image with that of his child hood pet.
It is possible that Shaggy was a tanker or armored cavalry trooper, the Mystery Machine was the name he and Shaggy gave to their track. Or it could just represent the passage into the afterlife.
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Most times with a conspiracy theory, it is best to be skeptical. Over the years there have been various theories that the Smurfs were Communists, etc and a few that suggested that they were Nazis. The latter tended to be a superficial analysis, but if you know a bit of history, it becomes a bit troubling. I now wonder if the Smurfs were meant to represent some sort of variant theory of Nationalist Socialist Utopia.
Consider...
Some say the Smurfs addressing each other as "comrade" aka Smurf shows they were Communists. But the Nazis had the same habit.
Attempts by the Smurfs to have something like democracy, where they by pass their leader always go badly. A strong leader of a communal village living in tune with nature is portrayed as the natural order. This was the theoretical model to exist in post war occupied Russia is the Germans won...small "green" villages.
The Smurfs are all one color. They wear identical uniforms. They are identified by stereotypes of class/occuption ie the worker, the engineer, the intellectual, the artist. All live as part of one community, under one leader, with the overall purpose being the good of the community. The primary identifier of a Smurf is...being a Smurf... loyality to their "volk".
Their enemy, Gargamel, seems to be drawn as an Anti-Semetic stereo type. He has a large hooked nose, he is dirty and unkempt. His house is unclean. It is hinted that he communes with dark powers. All that is the cassic image of the Jews as unclean "others" presented in Nazi cinema and propaganda.
Gargamel at first wants to eat the Smurfs, a reference to Medieval stories where Jews were alleged to steal and murder Christian babies, poison wells, and various other misdeeds perhaps. Later he wanted to kill them and turn them into gold. IE the capitalist wanted to enrich himself by the exploitation of the workers. Again, straight off a 1933 or so propaganda poster.
The Smurfs were not atheists ala Communists proper. Instead they followed some sort of quasi Pagan German nature based religion. They were beholden to Mother Nature and continually tried to follow or impose "the natural order", again the same as 1930s propaganda portrayals of Nationalist Socialism. This was the Nazis plan for Germany originally, to replace Christianity with a quasi pagan Germanic religion called the thingenstat. Opposition from German churchs caused this to be dropped.
Brainy Smurf, followed by a less intelligent Smurf, causes problems and thinks he can replace Papa Smurf but cannot. This represents an attack on intellectualism. Contrast this with the positive portrayal of Handy (the worker) and Carpenter (the practical engineer). A classic target of all manner of Socialism and the classic heroes.
Azrael, the cat, is named after the Hebrew Angel of Death.
Smurfette is originally created by Gargamel to distract and lure the Smurfs. When first created and "bad" she is a dusky featured brunette. Only later after Papa Smurf works his magic is she transformed into a blonde haired vixen.
As originally portrayed in comics, if Smurfs took ill with a particular illness, they turned black, lost all intellect and began to exihibit savage characteristics.
Johan, a German youth, virtually worships the Smurfs and tries to do all he can to assist them. This is despite adults not understanding or being corrupted...ie he represents the Hitler Youth.
Papa Smurf wears red, a color associated with Communism, but in fact very commonly used in Nationalist Socialism. In the 1936 propaganda film "Triumph of the Will", Rudolf Hess is seen introducing Hitler by exclaiming "Ein Fuehrer, Ein Volk, Ein Reich". One leader, one people, one nation. The exact portrayal of Papa Smurf. He is an autocratic leader, not to be questioned, all wise and embodying the will of the people. Having ideas contrary to his wisdom is portrayed as foolish and dangerous, the pursuit of the fool and the intellectual.
The similar Snorks, who live underwater are portrayed as being various colors, and tolerant of foreigners, but have a more chaotic and troubled society contrary to the society of the Smurfs.
Papa Smurf actually says, channeling Marx but also Nationalist Socialist philosophy, that the good of the many (of the Smurfs/Volk) outweighs the needs of the few... In fact, for a Smurf, the whole concept of that which is good is "Smurfy"...in German this would be "Volkisch"...or for the good slash harmony of the people.
Heil Papa Smurf! French sociologist compares the Smurfs to Nazis and Stalinists | Daily Mail Online a French professor noticed many of the same things, and wrote "The Little Blue Book" outlining how the Surfs seemed to embrace some sort of hybrid of Nationalist Socialism and Stalinism.
This is right up there with realizing that Ewoks eat their prisoners in casting 1980s childhood memories in a new light.
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I come back from watching American Sniper for the fifth time, and fall into this trap.
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Since few major crimes or political actions are enacted unless they are a conspiracy of two or more people, I have to disagree with your opening statement. Every major change in history has been the result of a conspiracy. Many if not most of the recent crimes prosecuted by the federal government are for conspiracy, not the actual crime underlying the conspiracy.
So I would say unless there is a conspiracy at the base of it, you should just ignore it.
There are two types of people in the world. Those that believe in conspiracies, and those that choose not to see them no matter how much evidence is rubbed in their face.
Since I don’t watch the Smurfs I can’t comment on the rest of the posting.
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The Skipper had a .30-06 1917 Enfield, and one or two revolvers and a flare gun on the boat. One potential reason he had all those supplies was because he was an early survivalist and feared a Soviet nuclear attack. Thus he had guns, tools, a shortwave radio, and the rest stored on his boat.
Also food for thought....
Maynard G. Krebs = Maynard Gilligan Krebs
Anyway....the key to understanding the Smurfs as Nazi propaganda lays not merely in Papa Smurf being an autocratic leader, but in the whole smurfs equals volk piece of the puzzle. Thus Papa Smurf is the Fuhrer who leads the volk, guides the volk, practices Germanic pagan magic etc.
But on to Tom and Jerry. This was also Nazi propaganda meant to encourage U.S. neutrality in WW2.
Tom = Tommies aka the British
Jerry = Jerries aka the Germans
Tom was generally the aggressor. Jerry just wanted peace, but wanted his due from the food on table. The table was Europe. Jerry had to rely on ingenuity to thwart Tom, the much larger British Empire.
Tom did the bidding of a largely unseen owner. This was the Nazi view that Jewish bankers controled the British Empire.
The dog that Tom tried to get on his side, but who helped Jerry was the United States.
Woody Woodpecker was meant to be the noncomformist square peg in a round hole side of Americanism, particularly as opposed to more authoritarian characters and themes meant to represent Fascism. Though there were hints of Communist and Anarchist sympathies. IE Woody was "red".
Animaniacs is said to be a subversive broadcast meant to expose the Illuminati and the Reptilians. The old G.I. Joe cartoon was the most blatant exploration of that theme...
Though I never watched Animaniacs much, so had to rely on Realtor Bob s view. A caveat there is that he did smoke a lot of crack.
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What caliber is best for Smurfs?
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Take up knitting or something. Waaay too much time on your hands.
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For the love of p&r revolvers, put the cap on the magic marker!!!!
Or analyse pinky and the brain.
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03-04-2015, 08:59 PM
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I come here every day just to see what I might learn.
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Smurfs Nazi propaganda
Wow.........just......wow
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The S.S. Minnow was really a submarine.
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You sir, are a bounder and a cad! How dare you besmirch the honor of The Fair Maryann! A pox upon thee and they house! Consider your face smited by my gauntlet and challenged to a dual!
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Now that you mention it...
The S.S. Minnow sank in that storm, and all aboard perished. There was no island in a real sense, rather they were all trapped in a sort of purgatory, into which other lost souls sometimes wandered, where they could not escape until they learned some lesson. The storm represented their passing. Washing up on that island? They were all dead.
Skipper was trapped because he felt guilt for his actions during WW2. This was symbolized, among other times, by the episode where he thought the others were all Japanese soldiers and imprisoned them in a cage.
Mr and Mrs Thurston were in purgatory because of their greed.
Ginger because of her vanity.
The professor was trapped because his belief in rational science failed him. Notice how every attempt to use science to escape failed?
Gilligan is there because he made a mistake in the storm, or at least blames himself for making one, that sank the ship and drowned them all. Thus his continuing mistakes continue to keep him - and everyone else - trapped.
Mary Anne obviously has something dark lurking. I believe her wholesome image is a front. Back in the American Midwest she poisoned her parents (notice how she always cooks), sold the farm and took that trip to Hawaii. Alternatively, she is just consumed by guilt for leaving the Midwest and taking a hedonistic vacation.
Thus the true meaning behind the "castaways".
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Or analyse pinky and the brain.
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There was a banned episode showing Henry Kissinger and other notables as members of the Illuminati or some such secret society....
Beyond that, the theme song said one was a genius, the other insane. But which was which? Perhaps Pinky was the genius, but in an autistic Rain Man sort of way.
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Don't anybody mention the Blue Meanies!
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Beyond that, the theme song said one was a genius, the other insane. But which was which? Perhaps Pinky was the genius, but in an autistic Rain Man sort of way.
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Now that is deep. You might have stumbled onto something there...
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NO!!!!!!!! Please say it ain't so!!!!!!!Not Mary Ann. Oh well what the heck she's as old as I am now.
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I am almost afraid to mention Rocky and Bull Winkle. Were they good guys or bad guys?
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03-04-2015, 10:12 PM
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I am almost afraid to mention Rocky and Bull Winkle. Were they good guys or bad guys?
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Using thick Russian accent: "We're going to make big trouble for Moose and Squirrel!"
Of course Rocky and Bullwinkle were the good guys!!
by the way, I think this has become my favorite thread of all time!
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Nothing on TV happens by chance.
The Smurfs, because of the racial and religious elements, are closer aligned to the Nazis. The Nazis were all about race and Nordic occultism. Soviet Communists were anti-religion and not overtly racial because their country was comprised of many different races.
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"And every day the Paper Boy brings more".
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Were there any guns aboard the Minnow?
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2, Ginger had a pair of nickel 44's.
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03-04-2015, 11:09 PM
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Gator, your rendition of the Land of Smurfs leaves me a little blue.
Gilligan's Island was not purgatory, it was your own life story flashing before your eyes as the plane nosed down.
"Lost" however was purgatory.
And it nailed me good but, Bruce Willis in the 6th sense did not survive the robbery. Which has nothing to do with your post. It falls under hijacking. And from the movie ghost we should have caught on earlier.
Mary Ann and the smurf girl, smurfette, were one in the same, she was a counter agent.
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I am almost afraid to mention Rocky and Bull Winkle. Were they good guys or bad guys?
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Good guys - pitted against Local 12, the villains', thieves' and scoundrels' union, of which Boris and Natasha were card-carrying members.
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