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Old 03-30-2015, 11:56 AM
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So I happened to be watching Dr. No, and saw a scene I hadn't noticed previously -- where Bond is waiting in the hotel room, and the "professor" walks in and pumps six shots into the pillow under the sheets, then reaches for the gun on the floor, and Bond says "That's a Smith and you've had your six", then pumps 2 into the professor.
So was just curious - was that a Walter PPK w/a silencer Bond was using?
Btw, if Ursula isn't the top of the Bond babes list, not sure who is ...
Thanks in advance for your replies - I'm guessing that's a Walter--
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was that a Walter PPK w/a silencer Bond was using?
The database says it was actually a PP, not a PPK. Click to enlarge.


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And that's not a six shot Smith the good professor is using, nor does that look like Connery in the chair.
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That's not a Walther Connery's holding. Looks more like a Colt 1903 32cal. Watch the whole scene and check it out. It's sure not a PPK. MHO you understand.

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Yeah he screwed a silencer on it that's why I was curious ....thanks
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Ursula was in the first Playboy I ever saw, many years ago. I accidently noticed her, as I was only there to read the articles!
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Ursula Undress? Yeah, she was pretty. Talked funny, though.
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Did she have a speaking part? I hadn't really noticed.
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Ursula was part of the Bob Hope Christmas tour in 1971 at Hanau. even from the back of the auditorium she looked really good. she didn't even have to talk
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Fleming was rather ignorant when it came to firearms. So bad ,that an expert at the time the first books were published ,wrote Fleming to discuss the many errors.

He assisted Fleming with future books. IIRC his name was Boothyroyd .

I always laugh over the line regarding a .32 PPK..... "Like a brick through a plate glass window". Yeah. Right.

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I wish I had a dollar for every time this has come up on gun boards. But it's an honest question. It gets a lot of interest.

I saw the movie in theatres and several times since. I think I have the DVD. I even have a letter from Boothroyd on the movie stationery! Yes, really. I was a fan of James Bond from my early teens and read all the books and eagerly awaited the first film.

I corresponded with the REAL Geoffrey Boothroyd, who looked nothing like the "Maj. Boothroyd" of the film. Nor did he advocate the PPK. That was Fleming's idea, after reading an article on several enemy pistols from WWII compared to the US .45 auto. He liked the idea that the gun was easily concealable and that the .32 auto (7.65mm) held more shots than would a revolver. (But Bond did use a snub Colt .38 as well as his famed Beretta .25 in, "Casino Royale." Fleming described it as having a "sawn barrel." He may have just not realized that the factory supplied snubs as such, or may have seen a cut-down Police Positive Special.)

Mark you, we don't know the model of the "long-barreled .45 Colt" that Bond had under the dash of his Bentley. I think it was probably a .45 auto, but it could easily have been a New Service with a 5.5-inch barrel, as the author owned one and appeared with it in a major feature on him and his books in, "Life" about 1960-62. Several of his other guns were also shown, inc. a Ruger MK I .22 target auto. I think this was the long-barreled .22 auto that a girl had in a short story. He simply equipped her with a gun that he owned and knew about and liked. Just my guess, as he didn't state the brand.

The Colt Official Police .38 with four-inch barrel that he held on the back cover author photo on many paperback editions was given to him during WWII by Maj. Gen. Wm. Donovan, head of the OSS. Fleming was then an assistant to Britain's chief of naval intelligence. He carried a Browning Baby .25 in that role, but probably had access to other guns, if needed.

Bear in mind that as a spy, he HAD to be confident that his gun could be effectively concealed. That life was not a movie!

Bear in mind that he did own at least 4-5 handguns, and he did this in the repressive atmosphere of Great Britain. Even in the 1960's, he had to endure a lot of red tape to have those guns licensed to him. He must have cared enough to do that. But he was not a gun expert and indeed suggested in one book that having an "excessive" interest in guns was abnormal.

Geoffrey Boothroyd really was a gun expert, and his, "The Handgun" is easily the best study of its kind and should be in the library of every gun enthusiast. It covers the subject from earliest days to about 1970, when it was published. Find it. Buy it. Or be ignorant of much that you should know.
Now, as for the movie: The gun that Connery is holding is a Browning/FN M-1910, not a Walther at all. And, OP, the name is "Walther", not "Walter." But the movie Maj. Boothroyd did seem to say, "Walter." His accent? An ignorant error in the script? ??

Obviously, the .45 auto in the chemist's hand is not a "Smith & Wesson" and it held more than six shots. If they had trouble finding a silenced revolver, the script could have easily been altered to reflect that he had a Colt .45 auto. They didn't care, I guess, and thought that audiences would neither care or know.

However, there WAS a Walther PP subbing for a PPK in some scenes. I don't know why. Maybe something to do with prop availability in gun-strict Britain and Jamaica, although that island was then still British territory, a Crown colony.

This is a good time to note that Jack Lord did not look like Felix Leiter and Lord was also an outspoken advocate of gun control. The Leiter of the books was "a straw-haired Texan", a former Marine officer. Leiter was actually played by a black man in one film! The studio has little respect for the details of the books, and I've seen conjecture that this is going to get much worse, in the name of Political Correctness. Can't say more here. But I hope to gosh that it isn't true.

"Dr. No" was the first Bond film and I think its vast success took the producers by surprise and made them financially and made a star of Connery. Their budget got a lot larger and that led to them having whatever guns they wanted, presumably. But, "Dr. No" is the movie closest to the book. "From Russia, With Love", was also very close. They started to lose it by, "Thunderball" and it just got worse. I won't even go to a current Bond film. The first with Daniel Craig was awful, and not just because I don't like Craig for the role. Bernard Lee was a good choice to play M, but he died.

The book Thunderball was better portrayed on film in, "Never Say Never Again", with Connery returning as Bond, but NOT in a production by the usual producers, Broccoli and Saltzman. I think it was better for that.

Anyway, you now know which guns were really in that scene. Maybe the FN was used because the silencer wouldn't fit a Walther. We'll probably never know.

Oh: the tarantula in, "Dr. No" was filling in for a centipede, probably because a real centipede was too dangerous. But I love the scene in the book when 007 woke and realized that the centipede was crawling on him. Fleming knew how to write a tense scene! He was also a real SCUBA diver and often spearfished for his lunch off the beach near his home in Jamaica, where he wrote the books. A famous magazine that once excerpted his novels showed the interior of his home, inc. his bed and the desk and typewriter where he wrote, and the adjacent beach.

Some complain that Ian Fleming didn't know a lot about guns and that's true. However, very few authors do. He owned more handguns than any other author I can think of, save perhaps for Donald Hamilton, who wrote the Matt Helm series and who was also an outdoor writer. John Sandford, who writes the Prey series, is a gun owner, although seemingly a liberal and a former newsman. But he only occasionally goes into detail. Wilbur Smith hunts and is a big game fisherman as well. But his gun stuff is sometimes dead-on and sometimes off a little. He can't own handguns in modern Britain, but may have some at his South African residence. Jack Higgins may own guns, as he lives in the Channel Islands, not affected by the terrible 1997 British law. But he errs in describing the effectiveness of .25 HP ammo and never says where the Secret Service spinoff for which his heroes work got those Colt .25's or how old they are. His other pistols are mostly mentioned by just brand and you have to guess the model in most cases. The Walther PPK and the Browning Hi-Power are exceptions. But, "Ceska" can mean a CZ-50 .32 or a CZ-75 9mm!

On balance, Fleming wasn't perfect, but his guns were as well or better chosen as most in popular fiction. He was wise to seek Boothroyd's counsel, but sometimes rejected it. That's why he messed up and had Bond use a Berns-Martin holster for the PPK. Boothroyd suggested the holster, but for a snub S&W .38!

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If you enter List of James Bond guns in the internet search and view Wikipedia's List of James Bond Guns' you will find a well defined list of different guns in different movies and novels.
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Walther PPK, Bond's main gun.
Beretta 418. James Bond is forced to hand this gun over to M.
Smith & Wesson Centennial Airweight for "long-range work". Bond decides to take this to Crab Key island rather than the PPK as there will be no time for close encounters.
Smith & Wesson .38. Bond finds this gun on Crab Key and uses it to kill three of Doctor No's men
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The very first novel, "Casino Royale", was one of my favorites. Le Chiffe, and his ultimate end for cheating SMERSH was superb. The upside-down "M", the Cyrillic for "spy" was quite the flourish. Bond's character for the future really showed out when he told "M" that the "b**** is dead" when Vesper Lynd was killed.

While Fleming wasn't a fan initially of Sean Connery, he really warmed to him. The only actor since, that has even come close to Connery, was Pierce Brosnan at times. I always thought that Sean Connery brought the spy's fear to the role.

I always thought the books were exciting enough without all the special effects.

At one time, I really loved bridge. In "Moonraker" Bond takes down Sir Hugo Drax, a card cheat at M's club, Blades. The seven clubs bid, doubled, and redoubled was an absolute classic (Duke of Cumberland) card deal.
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Walther PPK, Bond's main gun.
Beretta 418. James Bond is forced to hand this gun over to M.
Smith & Wesson Centennial Airweight for "long-range work". Bond decides to take this to Crab Key island rather than the PPK as there will be no time for close encounters.
Smith & Wesson .38. Bond finds this gun on Crab Key and uses it to kill three of Doctor No's men

You might want to add that the gun he "found" on Crab Key was taken from one of Dr. No's guards and that Fleming described it as "the usual model", surely a Model 10. Actually, the book appeared in 1958, so technically, it was probably a M&P. The catalog started using model numbers in 1957-58. Fleming was probably writing in 1957 or very early '58. It takes awhile for a book to be published.

The gun handed over to M in the movie was a Beretta M-34 or 35, but what Bond would have really had was a Model 418, as you said.

Fleming also erred in thinking that the .30 US carbine was a Remington product.
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There's a recent release on Netflix called "The Man Who Would Be Bond". It's a fictionalized account of Flemings life. It's pretty good.
Woody Allen filled in for Johnny Carson one night and his first guest was Ursula Andress. She was wearing a short mink coat. She sat down and Woody asks her if she's got anything on under the coat. She says no. Woody reaches over and touches her arm and says: ''You mean I'm this close to the promised land?"
I took my girlfriend to the drive in to see "Dr. No" when it hit the screen in '62. I had my usual plan of attack in mind for her. The movie started and I was enthralled. It was unlike anything ever before it. Karen kept looking over at me like "when does the assault begin?". Never happened. Jame bond had a new fan in me.
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While Bond did screw the silencer onto the pistol he pulled it off like it was a tight slip fit...
Movies and guns [sigh]
No wonder some don't want folks to have hi-cap magazines - They NEVER run out - at least that's what the antis *know*.

BTW - Connery is VERY BIG on total disarmament. Not my kinda guy.
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In the bedroom shooting of the professor Bond uses an FN made .32 ACP 1910 Browning...
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Actually in the early to mid 1960s in the UK you could own handguns as long as you had a locked cabinet for them. You could also carry them back and forth to ranges etc. I owned Brownings (0.22 and HP35s) and Walther P38s and shot for the University rifle team with both a BSA International Mk II (0.22) and a SMLE Mk III*, plus an occasional course of fire with a Swiss Luger in 7.65 Luger. Could not bring them to the US when I came over in 1968, so had to sell them. Dave_N
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Actually in the early to mid 1960s in the UK you could own handguns as long as you had a locked cabinet for them. You could also carry them back and forth to ranges etc. I owned Brownings (0.22 and HP35s) and Walther P38s and shot for the University rifle team with both a BSA International Mk II (0.22) and a SMLE Mk III*, plus an occasional course of fire with a Swiss Luger in 7.65 Luger. Could not bring them to the US when I came over in 1968, so had to sell them. Dave_N
Thanks for this, but I did note in my long post above that Ian Fleming personally owned a number of handguns. Still, it's good to have your personal account. I'm sorry that you had to sell those guns. Fleming died in 1964, so he never had to yield his guns.

Handguns weren't banned until the awful 1997 law. I read an article in a UK women's magazine that many of those whom they interviewed were outraged by the new law and stored their pistols in Belgium and fly over to shoot them.

David Arnold told me that he was able to bring guns from South Africa when his family moved to the USA. Maybe that varies by country. His book, "Shoot a Handgun" is still the best I've seen on the subject. He was at one time an editor at, Petersen's Handguns. Alas, he has left since us.

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List of firearms used in Dr. No

The following weapons were used in the film Dr. No:
Contents [hide]
1 Handguns
1.1 Walther PP
1.2 Beretta M1934
1.3 M1911A1
1.4 Walther P38
1.5 Browning Hi-Power
1.6 FN Browning M1910
1.7 Colt Police Positive
1.8 Smith & Wesson Model 10

2 Machine Guns
2.1 Bren gun
3 Submachine Guns
3.1 Sten Mk I*

4 Rifles
4.1 Lee-Enfield No. 4
4.2 L1A1 Self Loading Rifle
5 Other

5.1 Gun Barrel opening sequence
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The following weapons were used in the film Dr. No:
Contents [hide]
1 Handguns
1.1 Walther PP
1.2 Beretta M1934
1.3 M1911A1
1.4 Walther P38
1.5 Browning Hi-Power
1.6 FN Browning M1910
1.7 Colt Police Positive
1.8 Smith & Wesson Model 10

2 Machine Guns
2.1 Bren gun
3 Submachine Guns
3.1 Sten Mk I*

4 Rifles
4.1 Lee-Enfield No. 4
4.2 L1A1 Self Loading Rifle
5 Other

5.1 Gun Barrel opening sequence

Plus whatever sidearm the Royal Navy men had at the last, in the rescue scene. Couldn't see into their white webbing holsters, so it could be any of the three major service .38's then in use. They did have No. 4 .303 rifles, too.

I think a Colt .45 auto with silencer was used in the book to kill Commander Strangways and his secretary.

The Sten guns in the movie were MK III, not MK I* as seen on that list. I saw, Dr. No again last night. I'm adding this on Dec. 3, 2020. Clearly, this topic continues to hold interest here.

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I always laugh over the line regarding a .32 PPK..... "Like a brick through a plate glass window". Yeah. Right.
Well, how much power do you need to put a brick through a plate glass window?

Sounds about right to me.
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Sean Connery “JAMES BOND” Walther PP Pistol Used in Dr. No (EON Productions, 1962).

Connery, who utilizes this legendary weapon all through the film, assisted with setting up and characterize the character that has been included in books, films, and other media for the last almost sixty years. As the realistic introduction of the personality of James Bond, the producers, and star needed to catch the creative mind of the public worldwide to make a film arrangement sufficiently dynamic to bear and continue on over the long run. James Bond has gotten one of just a modest bunch of sort film establishments that have been a staple of mainstream society many ages. The outline of the Walther PP and PPK has filled in as the key notorious picture for the personality of James Bond since the film establishment appeared with Dr. No, and this deactivated handgun was the above all else that followed.
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Yes, and some were quite good, although usually with a liberal slant.

And several Bond books were excerpted there as the novels reached booksellers. I think the last was, The Man with the Golden Gun. Fleming died soon after writing it.
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There's a wikipedia-like site called Internet Movie Firearms Data Base.
It's pretty good usually, at least a pretty good start for the curious.
I have noticed a couple boo boos but not bad overall.
So when I am curious about a gun from a movie I just search...
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...But, "Dr. No" is the movie closest to the book. "From Russia, With Love", was also very close. They started to lose it by, "Thunderball" and it just got worse. I won't even go to a current Bond film. The first with Daniel Craig was awful, and not just because I don't like Craig for the role. Bernard Lee was a good choice to play M, but he died...
Thanks for sharing that post with us...very informative!

Like you, I don't go to Bond films nowadays. I'm one of those hardheads who maintains that Sean Connery was the only "real" Bond.

"From Russia With Love" is my all-time favorite Bond flick...a fairly straightforward Cold War spy story with a minimum of special effects...I never get tired of watching it.

But one of my favorite Bond movie scenes came from Thunderball...

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The database says it was actually a PP, not a PPK. Click to enlarge.

Not a Walther.

It's an FN 1910.

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