The Morongo Tribe of Mission Indians wants to purchase Colt Holding Company. They are in Southern California.

California tribe eyes bid for gun maker Colt

That would truly be interesting it they obtain ownership ..... gotta be a step up from the poor management of the current owners. If they relocate the manufacturing I hope it's to a gun friendly state and not to California.


Don

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if they have some flavor of vision, have at it.

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A Native-American tribe buying Colt seems almost like an Israeli company purchasing Daimler-Benz.

They also need to dump the current union goldbricks and start with a fresh slate using new employees who want to produce, and be rewarded for it.

Lots of jobs down here working for the tribes. Most everyone I know is happy working for them. I've subbed work with them for years with no problems. They run a tight business.

About the comment above by PatriotX. I get what you're trying to say. but........

I can't understand why so many of my tribal friends love their Colts and Winchesters so much. Crazy huh?

What really freaks me out is how many of my Jewish friends drive Mercedes and other German cars. Say it ain't so!

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Move the plant to Rocky River, Ohio. There's an empty Target store next to a dying strip mall, just begging to be bulldozed and turned into something useful.

And if they need a part Apache IT manager...

I have no doubt that somebody will buy Colt. These guys are as good as any provided they actually have a solid plan to stabilize and rebuild it into a good company again.

I would love to see them but it.Maybe then we would have a line of products that the average person would want to have as well as be able to afford having.

Those "union goldbricks" make good guns. Colt 1911s, ARs and SAAs are all fine products, pretty much the standards to measure by. The problems lay with management and financing and perhaps R n D, not product quality.

A couple questions. I wonder how the union rules apply to an Indian tribe who in a way is a sovereign nation, or something to that effect. Would, or could the tribes circumvent the unions and go non union? Or would better management do better, union or not?

Jonas and Romulus should buy it!!!!

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Ain't it agin the law for them redskins to have guns??? Sorry, been watching too many westerns lately.

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Why duck?? It's a 9mm!

I imagine Snubbyfan will be along presently to comment on that.

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Oh well, what the hell.

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Why?

I thinks it's great and Colt would continue being American.
Imagine an offshore company or investment fund would purchase it, now that would be terrible.

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Jorge

Call Elizabeth Warren

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They are arming the natives!

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It could be bought out by China.

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I'm sure there will be Chinese investors interested.

I bet the Chinese are interested. But I rather see that company in American hands!

I just don't get the connection between Native Americans/Colt and Israeli Company/Daimler

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Jorge

If They are on a Reservation it would drive the Kalifornia Goverment crazy as They would have little or no control over Them.

It would be nice if the new owners, whoever they will be, start making the Single Action Armys to the same level of quality and price as US Firearms. I will buy at least one.

The union is history regardless. The only thing of value to sell is the name and the intellectual property (whatever is not already in the public domain). No one wants the union or an old, antiquated plant in a very expensive, anti-gun state.

Good question. A lot depends on exactly what they are buying out of the bankruptcy. Trust me that it can get VERY complicated in Bankruptcy Court. Strip the union contract????? what effect will that have on the value of the estate, etc.....believe me it's wayyyyy complicated. That is more of an issue than sovereign nation status. There are many compacts that the nations enter into with the US that may also govern things like this. Great question with no easy answer. In addition to my many forays in the law I am also an indian nation judge for one of the local tribes-so I know a bit of the complexities of the nations' relations with the US. I also get a $.10 a gallon discount on gas at the trading post

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if colt goes overseas it can stay there im out

If the Indian Tribal land is a soveign nation, then do they have to follow the laws of the state on what they can manufacture? California is very against the EBR.

It's my understanding that any state laws regarding right-to-work or mandatory union membership don't apply to the tribes. They can do whatever they want. The only gov't they have to abide with is the federal gov't and the treaties that they entered into. Tribes don't pay taxes to the state, state and local LEO's have no authority on tribal land, etc.

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Yep, making AR-16's right in their backyard. Nancy Pelosi's head would explode.

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That's how I see it. Not much there to sell except some trademarks. Most of their products, if not all, have been in the public domain for a long time. The Chinese (Norinco) have already built a very good copy of a Colt 1911-A1. I shot one last week. It's actually a better clone of the original than Colt makes today. If you polished off the rollmarks it would be difficult to ID it from a 1940's Colt, it's that good.

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I'd love to see these revolvers return. I carried a Colt Detective Special for part of my federal employment tour and the gun gives you six shots to the S&W J frame's five shots in a slightly larger package that's easily concealed.

The D frames were available in 2, 3, 4, and 5" barrel lengths. Of course, I have to be different and suggest that whoever takes over Colt, consider a re-issue with a 2.5" barrel.

I also agree that Colt's future owners need to move the company to a gun friendly state.

If they would buy the facility assets (mfg equipment) and the patents, only, and locate a new facility on tribal grounds, they would not pay any taxes, and wouldn't have any union employees. I would think they could hire quality employees and turn out quality firearms at a reasonable price. The modern Indian nations are not dummy's.

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Naw, just fire water.

I could definitely buy into a story with a happy ending.

One can only hope.

If I remember Samuel Colt went bankrupt after he developed the Patterson revolver?? Would have been interesting if Native tribes had purchased it then.

I just think it'd be interestin' to see which direction they take the company.

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Forgot to add, you can never watch ''too many'' Westerns.

I wouldn't even think they would move the Colt company to CA. I couldn't imagine any gun company moving to CA.

You'd think they would be close to terms by now.

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Just as long as it isn’t Freedom Group...

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Did those moving vans get lost?

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If the Chinese buy the company, will it fall under Pres. Clinton's ban on the sale of Chinese handguns in the US?

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Bill

CA is one of six PL-280 states whereby tribes don’t enjoy the full sovereignty that tribes in states like Oklahoma, Nevada, Arizona, etc. do, therefore must comply with more state regs and local law enforcement. Further, CA doesn’t have reservations, but rancherias.

Unlike tribal gambling that’s heavily regulated by states and the feds, I am not sure how that effects the manufacturing of firearms by a tribe in CA, however just because the tribe’s located in CA, if they were to buy Colt, I doubt the guns would be manufactured in CA.

I don’t care who buys Colt as long as they do things properly and continue the venerable legacy with quality firearms that are made in the USA.

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This 4 year-old Zombie Thread needs to be abandoned until there is some real news to report.

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What, me worry?

The native thing was a rumor and bust in 2015, and there have been at least four attempts by Colt to stay afloat since then. I wish they'd find some permanent solid ground, but with the firearms industry in the tank, I fear Colt may not be with us in 2020.

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John

I've run union and non-union plants. Almost all employees I've met have been very sensitive to quality and its effect on their future. I've noticed no difference between the two groups. If a company is blaming their employees for quality issues they haven't spent enough time looking in a mirror.

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Do threads have a shelf life?

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I'm gonna go way out on a limb here and say that if the Morongos haven't moved on this since June of 2015, they aren't going to do the deal.