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Old 07-21-2015, 05:30 PM
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An 18 year old guy rigged his semi up to a drone, flew and made of video of it shooting. It's really slick, but far more irresponsible than it is slick. They say he's in a heap o' trouble.

On a similar note, I wouldn't be surprised if drones became strictly controlled because they are causing serious problems in some areas. A few bad apples....
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I would think he could be charged with reckless endangerment - he's causing a firearm to be discharged that does not have a person's absolute control over it. Or do the electronics involved never fail and never do the unexpected and thus he had absolute control? I doubt it.
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Saw the video, have to admit one the one hand kinda neat on the other, shudder to think the problems this is going to cause for responsible gun owners and drone owners alike.
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at my age and lack of tolerance to the heat, recon I could get a big enough one to hold a .222 and hunt prarie dogs from the comfort of my truck cab? lee
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From the web version I saw, it looked like the drone was hauling around a Kel-Tec PMR-30. If so, that would be a great choice; very lightweight, 30 rounds, low recoil.

The blurb on the news here said that the local police were struggling to find a law with which to charge the young man.

I bet the Feds find one. You can also bet more are coming.
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Yeah it wasn't a good idea to post the video.... er, I mean to even attempt it.... yeah.

But it's kind of cool watching the drone get kicked back when it fires.
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Well, I'm not a law professional but IMO if he fired that thing on his private property with enough backstop... why all the fuss?

Armed drones are not new, technology is out there and thanks to the internet available to anyone who knows how to navigate it (the net).
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I saw the video to and I have to admit that my first thought was, where do I get one!
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Guys that's FPS Russia. Hes an American kid from Georgia and probably closes to 30 then 18, with a fake accent. He made hundreds of these videos including one where he was shooting an anti aircraft gun. Most of the stuff he borrows from someone somewhere. He's been doing this for years and even stared in a vedeo game comercial. His videos were really popular a few years ago until his producer was killed (not related to the youtube videos)









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ABC News showed this kid on the news tonight...

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ABC News showed this kid on the news tonight...

Well then. My bad. I thought you were talking about this drone

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I thought wow, what a brilliant engineer student, we should be happy to have an up and coming home grown engineer....they're going to crucify the kid.
The DOD should offer him a job.

I'm pretty sure the kid had no idea he was arming a civilian aircraft. I mean really calling, basically a kids toy a civilian aircraft is a bit of a stretch.

Those drones were flown around shopping malls in front of the Sharper Image for years and they couldn't give them away. Now they're all over the place.
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Someone is missing a marketing opportunity here.

This technology could be used to allow disabled gun enthusiasts a way to enjoy sport shooting, or with a scaled-up platform, even hunting !!
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Well, I'm not a law professional but IMO if he fired that thing on his private property with enough backstop... why all the fuss?

Armed drones are not new, technology is out there and thanks to the internet available to anyone who knows how to navigate it (the net).
That's true, but not in the hands of civilians who can buy them at the hobby shop and fly them anywhere they want. They've had drone people complaining that the authorities don't want them to fly around the Golden Gate bridge because they say, 'What's a three pound drone going to do?" Would you like one flying into your windshield? Or the people that are flying them around airports and interfering with civilian and military air traffic???

I think it's neat as hell to be able to do this stuff, but being able doesn't mean you should.
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The Second Amendment says "arms" not "guns". The Founding Fathers had knowledge of grenades, flight (hot air balloons), flamethrowers (greek fire), rockets and cannons and even submarines. They did not say "arms except for"... Thus one should have the right to armed aircraft, various and sundry killer robots and so on. In fact, if one considers the 2A a check against tyranny, all the better to have these weapons in hands of the populace. Forget an AR15, a squadron of Terminator drones will really send the Black Helicopters running.
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On the TV news tonight, the video shown indicated that the drone was very close to the ground, just a few feet, not hundreds of feet in the air. There was also some doubt as to whether any law or regulation was violated. They were talking about some FAA regulation, which may not actually apply.
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I saw a magazine article about guns and drones.

Some states have passed laws prohibiting armed drones.

Texas is one that armed drones may be legal.

At least Texas has Not prohibited them.

Also, at that time, the article didn't say if the FAA had prohibited arming drones.

Now, they may have.
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Bet there are others out there but operated by people who were smart enough to not spread the evidence all over the net. Shouldn't take a whole lot of smarts to do one but I wonder about the accuracy possible. Range report requested if any one has one! There will be laws against it for sure,probably scares the powers that be big time.
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frankly something like this (while yes i admit it has something of a 'cool' factor to it) bothers the heck out of me. We are already dealing with someone in our area who's been suspected of flying their drone near homes (i'm talking by windows, etc) but to have the ability to have an armed drone? Yeah i know it's possible and i doubt this kid was the first to fly/try one; but how does someone defend against it if it is a reality? Unless i'm treating one like a target in a skeet shoot, i'm not going to have much luck against one if ever pushed to that point.
I'm sure i'm over-thinking this one, so I'll hop off my soapbox lol
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Bet there are others out there but operated by people who were smart enough to not spread the evidence all over the net. Shouldn't take a whole lot of smarts to do one but I wonder about the accuracy possible. Range report requested if any one has one! There will be laws against it for sure,probably scares the powers that be big time.
Absolutely right. The guy isn't the first one to think of this, and I guarantee you there are other people out there who are already doing the same thing. When I was a kid, we used to dream about stuff like this with our remote control model airplanes with those little .049 engines. And remember those big 4-foot "weather balloons" you could get from ads in magazines or at science hobby stores? In the late fifties, we were hooking up all sorts of stuff to those things and letting them go...God knows where they ended up.

Frankly, all this guy's drone is, is a cheap homemade version of a Predator. Instead of a Hellfire missle, it fired bullets. If he can do it, anyone can do it.

We've seen those TV shows where folks build robots and they fight it out? I won't be surprised if someone comes up with some show like Drone Dogfights or something.
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There was an episode not long ago on "Hawaii 5-0" about an armed drone terrorizing Honolulu, strafing people on the beach, etc.. It mounted a 7.62mm MG, I couldn't tell if it was an M240 or an M60.
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They showed that drone/gun thing on the local news and they also interviewed a local sheriff.

He made a point of saying how tough NY law is in purchasing/owning a pistol and how that flying gun device would not be legal here due to the fact the gun was not under the close control of the guns owner as required by law!
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The unarmed drones are already causing problems.
They have interfered with fire fighting in CA.
Last weekend here in town one fell into a crowd at a local event.
Nobody was hurt. It hit a small tree which broke its fall. Then it bounced down on the sidewalk.
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In some cases with R/C aircraft, the pilots have to have some certification due to the altitude level that the plane is capable of, and the range of the remote. I don't know if drones qualify or not. If not, the FAA, in my opinion, wouldn't have any jurisdiction over a case like this.
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They showed that drone/gun thing on the local news and they also interviewed a local sheriff.

He made a point of saying how tough NY law is in purchasing/owning a pistol and how that flying gun device would not be legal here due to the fact the gun was not under the close control of the guns owner as required by law!
He could shoot the gun. Make the drone fly where he wanted. It leads me to believe he had control of gun and drone. Close is relative and close control can be argued. Larry
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He could shoot the gun. Make the drone fly where he wanted. It leads me to believe he had control of gun and drone. Close is relative and close control can be argued. Larry

Remember I said a NY sheriff, anything remotely involving a gun the harder interpretation will prevail by both the cops and DA/Judge.
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When I was a kid, we used to dream about stuff like this with our remote control model airplanes with those little .049 engines. And remember those big 4-foot "weather balloons" you could get from ads in magazines or at science hobby stores? In the late fifties, we were hooking up all sorts of stuff to those things and letting them go...God knows where they ended up.


We've seen those TV shows where folks build robots and they fight it out? I won't be surprised if someone comes up with some show like Drone Dogfights or something.

You got that nailed on the head. The stuff we dreamed up taking toys to a higher level was a wellspring. I remember how cool we thought it would be to put bb guns on our bicycle handlebars so we could 'dogfight'. I saw where they actually marketed a hand cranked one in those 'black soap' and 'Real 6' Frankenstein' ads in the comic books. I'll bet whatever kid ordered that would have been as disappointed as Gene Shepherd in the 'Christmas Story' when he realized that the secret decoder said, "Drink Ovaltine".
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Many of the big city PD's in Texas have and use drones.
To me that seems a huge jump in technology and
surveillance capability.
Lord knows what the military has.
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Here in San Antonio is Randolph AFB. All drone pilot basic training starts at Randolph, program has been in place there since 2009. Advanced training is continued elsewhere. There was a lengthy newspaper article about it Sunday, and the interesting fact is they cannot train enough drone pilots to meet the USAF's need for them now. For a very long time, USAF was actually hostile to the idea of their flying drones. I guess because a drone pilot cannot collect any medals or get promoted very quickly like regular pilots can.
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That's true, but not in the hands of civilians who can buy them at the hobby shop and fly them anywhere they want.
This sounds just like what the anti-gun folks say. "Anyone can just walk in and get one. They should be banned."

Laws should affect action not devices. Murder and manslaughter are already illegal. I see no issue with this as long as it's used properly. I'm actually stunned at some of the responses here. Seriously, this is exactly what the anti-gun crowd does.
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This sounds just like what the anti-gun folks say. "Anyone can just walk in and get one. They should be banned."

Laws should affect action not devices. Murder and manslaughter are already illegal. I see no issue with this as long as it's used properly. I'm actually stunned at some of the responses here. Seriously, this is exactly what the anti-gun crowd does.
I have to agree. It's not like someone is going to say, "I thought it was legal to shoot someone as long as the gun is strapped to a drone".

Reckless endangerment, minors in possession of firearms,
brandishing, firing a gun in city limits(most areas), assault with a deadly weapon, are all illegal too. If someone is willing to ignore these laws (and many others), then one about arming drones isn't going to stop them either.
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After seeing the video l guess l should consider ALL drones armed and dangerous...
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I won't be surprised if someone comes up with some show like Drone Dogfights or something.
There already is such a sport, though I do not remember how they call it. You have two competitors flying (indoors) radio controlled airplanes trying to drop the opponent's plane by ramming it.
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I don't see a problem. Our military uses them. Maybe we can buy some surplus ones that might be left over from the mid east conflicts.
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I thought wow, what a brilliant engineer student, we should be happy to have an up and coming home grown engineer....they're going to crucify the kid.
The DOD should offer him a job.

I'm pretty sure the kid had no idea he was arming a civilian aircraft. I mean really calling, basically a kids toy a civilian aircraft is a bit of a stretch.

Those drones were flown around shopping malls in front of the Sharper Image for years and they couldn't give them away. Now they're all over the place.
for a time it was a little stretchy defining an ultralight as a civilian aircraft.
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That's true, but not in the hands of civilians who can buy them at the hobby shop and fly them anywhere they want. They've had drone people complaining that the authorities don't want them to fly around the Golden Gate bridge because they say, 'What's a three pound drone going to do?" Would you like one flying into your windshield? Or the people that are flying them around airports and interfering with civilian and military air traffic???

I think it's neat as hell to be able to do this stuff, but being able doesn't mean you should.
R/C aircraft are nothing new, and have done far more good than harm since the 1920's.
Trust me, a hot rodded, over engined Pits Special is a rush to put through its paces. a 2M sailplane can be a day of pure zen.
Civilian hands .... yes sir thats where they belong. These things didn't get the least bit scary until the government started to play with them.
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There already is such a sport, though I do not remember how they call it. You have two competitors flying (indoors) radio controlled airplanes trying to drop the opponent's plane by ramming it.
sounds like a variation of combat where they pulled ribbons behind the planes.
the object was to take chunks off your adversaries ribbon in 6" sections for a point score.
There was even an infrared setup for the same.
Personally, I kinda wanted to set up warbirds with airsoft systems for all sorts of fun and games.
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Since when was it illegal to arm a civilian aircraft? I know that some warbird owners used to maintain live .50s in their Mustangs. There are also privately owned aircraft with hard points for mounting bombs.

The Founding Fathers allowed and encouraged the arming of ships. They almost certainly envisioned a right to such, as well as to arm carriages, build forts, etc.

Families on what was then the frontier often lived in armed block houses replete with swivel guns.

If the idea is that the government not have a monopoly on force, which it was and is, then the more armed aircraft, drones, cannons, etc the better.
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Cross the video of the drone with gun and video of this drone.


And you get this:


And it will be sweet.
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Here's another example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=120&v=SNPJMk2fgJU
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He could shoot the gun. Make the drone fly where he wanted. It leads me to believe he had control of gun and drone. Close is relative and close control can be argued. Larry
If you've dealt with remote controlled stuff in recent years, you may feel differently. They make an electronic product called a fail safe. In the event that the receiver loses control signal, it shuts down whatever it is hooked to ( generally the throttle control ). But just like anything electronic, they have issues. I don't believe that absolute control is possible in the situation that this young man is in.
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frankly something like this (while yes i admit it has something of a 'cool' factor to it) bothers the heck out of me. We are already dealing with someone in our area who's been suspected of flying their drone near homes (i'm talking by windows, etc) but to have the ability to have an armed drone? Yeah i know it's possible and i doubt this kid was the first to fly/try one; but how does someone defend against it if it is a reality? Unless i'm treating one like a target in a skeet shoot, i'm not going to have much luck against one if ever pushed to that point.
I'm sure i'm over-thinking this one, so I'll hop off my soapbox lol
I wonder how far above our houses our property rights pertain? If a drone hovered over my back yard, I'd probably be shooting at it with something.
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I wonder how far above our houses our property rights pertain? If a drone hovered over my back yard, I'd probably be shooting at it with something.
This will depend on your local laws.
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I wonder how far above our houses our property rights pertain? If a drone hovered over my back yard, I'd probably be shooting at it with something.
You would be rather upset about airspace then.
Think cheap haircut.
We've been at this remote control flight game for nearly a century now.
What is truly amazing is that it has only been recently that the lack of restrictions has ever been an issue.
I guess that it's only recently that the human race has offered specimens stupid enough to call it into question.

You would be better off capturing a drone and charging landing fees.
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I had a nightmare last night. I was in a field and a relentless drone with a gun was chasing me.

Kind of a drone 'North By Northwest'
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The lack of personal responsiblity and self discipline is why we have to have so many laws in a country that is supposed to be about personal freedom. Armed drones is in the same catagory of open carry to me, just because you have he right to do it does not mean it's necessarily the right thing to do.
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It's just a question of time before someone uses their drone for a weapon platform.

I keep expecting someone to fly one into the New Years Eve celebration in Yew Nork with a grenade strapped to it.
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Who's gun was it? Couldn't have been the kid's since he is too young, right? Was the gun owner present?
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It happened in ct I think He's out on bail I don't get it. The FBI and BATF should of been all over this. He actually armed a drone. No federal laws yet until tomorrow right? Was it a glock?

A college professor helped him design it.

There looking into the FFA laws.

There's new laws about drones coming.

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