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Why are teachers now called "educators?" Do they not teach now, or did they not educate previously? Is it a PC thing? Maybe I was a "burnt clay artist" instead of a bricklayer all those years, possibly a "masonry unit installation specialist."
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Teachers had less prestige than professors. Perhaps renaming them educators is supposed to not draw attention to their lower status. Just a WAG.
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I, too, have noticed the recent change from "teacher" to "educator". In truth, they should be called "indoctrinators".
I also noticed the change from "caretaker" to "caregiver". What was wrong with "caretaker", and why would inventing the word "caregiver" make anything better?
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Burn clay artist isn't in a dictionary but educator is.
a person (such as a teacher or a school administrator) who has a job in the field of education
Full Definition
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ne skilled in teaching :teacher
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a :a student of the theory and practice of education :educationist 2
b :an administrator in education
A teacher provides education to students. So calling teachers educators or educators teachers is like saying car and automobile. Both acceptable terms for the same thing.
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^^^^^^ OK, that's all fine and dandy, but the O.P.'s question was why the change? Teachers have been called "teachers" for the past 300 years or more. Why the sudden and universal change to "educators"? There must be a reason.
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Educator seems to be more prestigious, like corrections officer instead of prison guard.
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Wages aren't keeping up,more and more bs coming from the top,give em a fancier title,that'll work
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My first wife was a teacher till she had to retire for medical reasons, many years after we divorced.
She most emphatically educated students, and did it very well. But she didn't have to deal with armed students (and she taught high school kids), smart phones in class, or insistence from administrators that she focus nearly all her efforts on training kids to ace tests whether they really mastered the material or not.
There's no way in hell I could be a teacher today, though I did a lot of educating in my primary profession (mostly with adults). In too many school systems their jobs are almost impossible.
I know how hard my ex worked, far longer hours than the school schedule.
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I'd think some educators aren't smart enough to be called a teacher. Some lib somewhere just makes up ideas that old names of a job are humiliating and degrading and must be changed. Employees aren't personnel anymore, they're human resources. No more secretaries, now they're administrative assistants. I guess it all started with calling garbage men, sanitation engineers.
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But it's not a new word. It hasn't been invented to replace another one. I've always heard the word "educators" used when talking about all teachers and professors.
Must be a reason. ..probably has to do with the big house on 1600 Penn and tin foil right?
How about the word Gay? Why the sudden change? Must be a reason
Bachelor used to mean a young knight now it's a college degree.
You want to talk 300 years ago? 300 years ago, divesting could involve undressing as well as depriving others of their rights or possessions. It has only recently come to refer to selling off investments.
Meat used to mean any solid food
Nice used to mean foolish now it's a compliment
The word "jazz" ment “energy, excitement, ‘pep’ not a type of music. And this was only a 100 years ago. Around 1910.
Boner used to mean terrible blunder a 100 years ago.
Backlog meant the biggest log in the fire during colonial times. Today, it means a reserve or a pile of work you still need to plow through.
Rubbers used to be slip-on boots that covered shoes
Thong was another word for flip flops.
Awful used to mean something that inspired awe. Today, it means something is bad.
There must be a reason all these words changed
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Janitors---Custodial Engineers. Etc etc etc.PC HAS to stop.
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Janitors---Custodial Engineers. Etc etc etc.PC HAS to stop.
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Yeah, but I think 'burnt clay artist" has a ring to it.
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Yeah, but I think 'burnt clay artist" has a ring to it.
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I had a few others in thought too,but I better not say them
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There must be a reason all these words changed
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My favorite pet peeve word: "unbelievable" used to mean probably false. Now it means definitely true, and probably "kewl".
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Anyone that read George Orwell’s novel Nineteen Eighty-Four, knows that he predicted this and called it Newspeak. Interestingly enough he did this in the 1940’s and saw it coming long before it became our current reality. He was only a little early in predicting 1984 as the ending, rather than just the beginning.
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Anyone that read George Orwell’s novel Nineteen Eighty-Four, knows that he predicted this and called it Newspeak. Interestingly enough he did this in the 1940’s and saw it coming long before it became our current reality. He was only a little early in predicting 1984 as the ending, rather than just the beginning.
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It's not new speak. The word "kewl" is but not "educators".
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We are no longer called "teachers" because the term is obsolete. A teacher knows how to do something(s) and their function is to transmit the proper way to accomplish tasks based on prior knowledge and accepted practice. An "educator" is fed a stream of ever changing information based on "societal norms." They do not pass along skills based on prior knowledge or accepted practice but rather train pupils (students would imply they attend primarily to learn) to become an "equal"; whatever society deems that to be at the time. Joe
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Teachers are a subset of educators. A principal is an educator, teaching is not their primary function. A guidance counselor is an educator who does not primarily teach in the classroom.
Educator is a PC attempt at being more inclusive of all who work in the education system.
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We are no longer called "teachers" because the term is obsolete. A teacher knows how to do something(s) and their function is to transmit the proper way to accomplish tasks based on prior knowledge and accepted practice. An "educator" is fed a stream of ever changing information based on "societal norms." They do not pass along skills based on prior knowledge or accepted practice but rather train pupils (students would imply they attend primarily to learn) to become an "equal"; whatever society deems that to be at the time. Joe
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Wow..... why does this strike fear in my heart!
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jdh hit it. I am not sure where this is coming from but I have been in this business for over 30 years at every level from preschool principal through two year college. I have been a teacher at a high school, an instructor at a technical school and a principal.
jdh nailed it that the collective group are educators - call them professors, teachers, instructors, counselors, principals, deans, directors, superintendents or the like.
In a technical program they are called instructors in that they instruct people on how to perform a certain skill. Pretty interchangeable with teacher.
I don't think there is anything PC about this. For years on forms when they ask what I do I put educator. It is generic. I don't need to put that I am a principal - some people feel the title makes a difference, I did not.
I also was an administrator at a school that had some of the highest test scores in the state and we did it right. No cheating and we never had to teach to any test. You just teach the curriculum. Everyone knows generally what is on the test, your job is to make sure students get it. I admit I am not you usual run of the mill principal.
Lastly, the use of sanitation engineer or house cleaning engineer is just plain old wrong and an insult to those who have gone to college and are certified engineers.
Now to further muddy the waters I am in the process of starting a new Christian School and I am called the Headmaster.
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Why are teachers now called "educators?" Do they not teach now, or did they not educate previously? Is it a PC thing? Maybe I was a "burnt clay artist" instead of a bricklayer all those years, possibly a "masonry unit installation specialist."
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My theory is that we are becoming more top heavy with government officials and administrative types and as part of their shtick to justify their existence they have to come up with new stuff that really isn't new.
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They shoud be called opinionsists , at least the ones teaching history today.
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Why is it always some gov concperacy?
Sanitation workers/garbage men. I do ever see them actually sanitize anything.
Police officer/cop
Post man/mail man
Jailer/prison guard/correction officer. On that note are prison guards really correction officers? Do they actually correct anything. Must be that new PC thing.
Taxi driver/cabbie
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I was a school janitor for 32 years,until we got a new supervisor.All of a sudden we were custodial engineers instead of janitors.I think it made him feel more important,but the work didn't change.
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There use to be Brew Masters, now they are being replaced by
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Corrections officer? Are you kidding me? My son retired as a jail guard, a captain at the county jail. Worked for the Sheriff's department most of the time, also did a little undercover work. He was a pro. Knew martial arts, knew the book, and knew inmates. Had trouble with the inmates only rarely. But corrections? That's not even in the mission statement of a jail, I don't think. Many inmates were awaiting trial, weren't even convicted of misdemeanors. Even at the state prison level everyone knows that "corrections" is not what it's about, and if it were, it wouldn't have anything to do with the guards.
My son bought into that "corrections" nomenclature because it sounded professional to him. The way I heard it, he did his job of jail guard very well, and there was no need to fancy it up with BS. He was a good jail guard, and everyone from inmates to sheriffs to judges said so. That's good enough for me.
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Why are teachers now called "educators?" Do they not teach now, or did they not educate previously? Is it a PC thing? Maybe I was a "burnt clay artist" instead of a bricklayer all those years, possibly a "masonry unit installation specialist."
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One is a "clip" the other a "magazine" The difference is a matter of importance only to "experts".
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In my opinion if you were a garbage collector years ago you still are one.If it makes you feel better then call yourself whatever you want but that doesn't mean that others have to change to accommodate your feelings.I've had it with this PC world.
Putting lipstick on a pig doesn't change the fact that it is still a pig!
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Actor Nick Nolte stated it best in a 1984 film called "Teachers".
When ask his profession he stated, "I'm a teacher." and made it sound like the most important job in the world!!!
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A rose is a rose.
My father called himself an educator for the 35+ years he worked as one at several capacities at the elementary level. His biggest headache towards the end of his career in the 80's as an administrator was the attitude of parents who were resistant, if not terrified by the changes brought about by the increased feeling of entitlement by them and their little darlings. I am reminded of his frustration by reading some of the drivel posted on this thread.
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I won't get into the PC stuff since I don't need to accumulate any demerits from the Boss but I will say that growing up I had many "teachers" that did a better job with me than most "professors" I had, and that experience seems to still be holding true with my kids. I think being a good teacher is plenty prestigious, and I feel indebted to many.
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Corrections officer? Are you kidding me? My son retired as a jail guard, a captain at the county jail. Worked for the Sheriff's department most of the time, also did a little undercover work. He was a pro. Knew martial arts, knew the book, and knew inmates. Had trouble with the inmates only rarely. But corrections? That's not even in the mission statement of a jail, I don't think. Many inmates were awaiting trial, weren't even convicted of misdemeanors. Even at the state prison level everyone knows that "corrections" is not what it's about, and if it were, it wouldn't have anything to do with the guards.
My son bought into that "corrections" nomenclature because it sounded professional to him. The way I heard it, he did his job of jail guard very well, and there was no need to fancy it up with BS. He was a good jail guard, and everyone from inmates to sheriffs to judges said so. That's good enough for me.
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Being retired from the Federal Bureau of Prisons I'll give this one a shot. There is a difference between a jail and a prison/correctional institution. The primary mission of a jail is to hold persons who have not yet been convicted. They may have just been arrested and are waiting to be processed or have been arraigned, denied/unable to make bail and are awaiting trial. A prison/correctional institution houses persons who have been convicted of a crime and are now serving their sentence.
The staff of a jail are tasked only with keeping the accused in custody until the court determines their future. They guard the jail and its occupants. The staff of a prison are tasked with keeping those sentenced in custody for the duration of that sentence and preparing them for their eventual return to society. While they do guard the inmates and the facility they also counsel, supervise, and instruct the inmates while documenting the inmates progress.
As a detail supervisor part of my job was to instill in the inmates assigned to my work detail a sense of good work ethics while giving them a marketable skill. Yes that was in effort to correct their behavior with the hope of preventing their return to custody.
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It seems as you grow older you remember your teachers but not so much the educators.
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I'd say pharmer knows what he's talking about. If you want to know what's wrong with a lot of our society, that's it. We have pupils being trained to be equal, instead of taught to excel.
We have a Fire Dept., they fight fires. We have a Police Dept, why isn't it called a Crime Dept.? Why isn't the Health Dept. called the Sick Dept.?
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Being retired from the Federal Bureau of Prisons I'll give this one a shot. There is a difference between a jail and a prison/correctional institution. The primary mission of a jail is to hold persons who have not yet been convicted. They may have just been arrested and are waiting to be processed or have been arraigned, denied/unable to make bail and are awaiting trial. A prison/correctional institution houses persons who have been convicted of a crime and are now serving their sentence.
The staff of a jail are tasked only with keeping the accused in custody until the court determines their future. They guard the jail and its occupants. The staff of a prison are tasked with keeping those sentenced in custody for the duration of that sentence and preparing them for their eventual return to society. While they do guard the inmates and the facility they also counsel, supervise, and instruct the inmates while documenting the inmates progress.
As a detail supervisor part of my job was to instill in the inmates assigned to my work detail a sense of good work ethics while giving them a marketable skill. Yes that was in effort to correct their behavior with the hope of preventing their return to custody.
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Being unfamiliar with jails and prisons, beyond having represented architects and engineers during construction of both jail and prison facilities over the years, I am curious about one thing. If a person is convicted and sentenced to serve a period of time in jail, say a year, does not the jailer serve the same function as a prison guard ? Prisons can be state or federal; minimum or maximum security; jails are typically county/parish or city; and during my times visiting these facilities there was a level of competition between the guards, officers, jailers, etc. as to which was more competent, or important?
Similar to which is the higher level of law enforcement, local, state, federal, walks/drives a beat, is a detective, SWAT, K9, narcotics, bomb squad, etc. All important, all needed, but different in specific function. Maybe the answer is that society now needs very specific specialities, and human nature being what it is each of us feels we are better than the others, hence needing a more impressive title! 😉
My title started out as 'clerk of works', then went to 'construction administrator', over the years. But as I learned in several legal actions I was either an expert or idiot depending upon which side was questioning me ! 😒
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Whenever I hear 'educator', I know I'm dealing with a pompous... individual.. that believes in PC and is probably a crummy teacher.
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Uhm. It could most certainly be the terminology theyve been taught and not be this pompous crummy teacher...
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Phantom debate.
Teachers are teachers and have never called themselves anything else.
Educator is a term that's been around forever (definitely long before you started looking around for something "PC" to complain about) and is sometimes used by administrative types, politicians and media so that teacher aides, school psychologists, school librarians etc. who work in education, but aren't teachers, don't feel left out.
You should all just go find something else to get tied in a knot about.
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Anyone that read George Orwell’s novel Nineteen Eighty-Four, knows that he predicted this and called it Newspeak. Interestingly enough he did this in the 1940’s and saw it coming long before it became our current reality. He was only a little early in predicting 1984 as the ending, rather than just the beginning.
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Ive never read it but always wanted to.
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Being unfamiliar with jails and prisons, beyond having represented architects and engineers during construction of both jail and prison facilities over the years, I am curious about one thing. If a person is convicted and sentenced to serve a period of time in jail, say a year, does not the jailer serve the same function as a prison guard ? Prisons can be state or federal; minimum or maximum security; jails are typically county/parish or city; and during my times visiting these facilities there was a level of competition between the guards, officers, jailers, etc. as to which was more competent, or important?
Similar to which is the higher level of law enforcement, local, state, federal, walks/drives a beat, is a detective, SWAT, K9, narcotics, bomb squad, etc. All important, all needed, but different in specific function. Maybe the answer is that society now needs very specific specialities, and human nature being what it is each of us feels we are better than the others, hence needing a more impressive title! 😉
My title started out as 'clerk of works', then went to 'construction administrator', over the years. But as I learned in several legal actions I was either an expert or idiot depending upon which side was questioning me ! 😒
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Nope. Partially because when they are in jail and waiting whatever time it takes before moving to a more "permanent" home. And unless its changed since I "retired"? Correctional Officers in Texas--are also known as Peace Officers.
After sentencing--the IDEAL time to more inmates from a local jail to their new home--is usually two weeks.Sometimes,its one week up to two years-WHY?? I dont know?
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Phantom debate.
Teachers are teachers and have never called themselves anything else.
Educator is a term that's been around forever (definitely long before you started looking around for something "PC" to complain about) and is sometimes used by administrative types, politicians and media so that teacher aides, school psychologists, school librarians etc. who work in education, but aren't teachers, don't feel left out.
You should all just go find something else to get tied in a knot about.
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I have many truly troubling things to put my skivvies in a twist.
This isn't one.
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08-10-2015, 01:54 PM
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Whenever I hear 'educator', I know I'm dealing with a pompous... individual.. that believes in PC and is probably a crummy teacher.
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Really??
I've seen and appreciated many of your posts over the time I've been on this forum.
Just took a gander at your profile.
"Graphic Arts Pre Press Technician"
More commonly known in the trade as a stripper.
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08-10-2015, 02:01 PM
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Teacher?
I teach in a community college and have been called everything from professor to terms that would get me banned here but teacher is about as good as it gets. I consider the term teacher to be a complement. My father was a farmer and he was rightfully proud to be one. It does not matter what your chosen line of work is as long as you do your best to be the best you can.
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08-10-2015, 02:10 PM
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Really??
I've seen and appreciated many of your posts over the time I've been on this forum.
Just took a gander at your profile.
"Graphic Arts Pre Press Technician"
More commonly known in the trade as a stripper.
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I thought strippers were called something else.
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08-10-2015, 02:19 PM
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I thought strippers were called something else.
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Depends upon what they're peeling
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08-10-2015, 03:20 PM
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Teachers are a subset of educators. A principal is an educator, teaching is not their primary function. A guidance counselor is an educator who does not primarily teach in the classroom.
Educator is a PC attempt at being more inclusive of all who work in the education system.
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So by this, the school janitor is a subset of educators. Although he doesn't teach per se he facilitates learning by making sure the air conditioning is on and the puke in the hall from the kid who drank hot milk is cleaned up.
Who knew that old Mr.Harold was not merely a janitor who let you light your cigarettes off his cigar stub but an honest to goodness educator
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Originally Posted by walkinghorse
Being unfamiliar with jails and prisons, beyond having represented architects and engineers during construction of both jail and prison facilities over the years, I am curious about one thing. If a person is convicted and sentenced to serve a period of time in jail, say a year, does not the jailer serve the same function as a prison guard ? Prisons can be state or federal; minimum or maximum security; jails are typically county/parish or city; and during my times visiting these facilities there was a level of competition between the guards, officers, jailers, etc. as to which was more competent, or important?
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Part of the problem with generalities is that there are always exceptions. People given short sentences for lower level crimes may be sent back to the county jail to serve their time. In most cases the county jail is just a warehouse for people. The staff doesn't have the time or resources to provide rehabilitation. By time I mean the length of sentence. Six months is not enough to evaluate the needs of the individual, develop a treatment plan, then implement the plan. A year is pushing the timeline except for exceptional cases. Texas does have facilities called State Jails which are prison light for lower level felonies. These jails to have some of the programs found in prisons. Maximum time in a state jail is two years.
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So by this, the school janitor is a subset of educators. Although he doesn't teach per se he facilitates learning by making sure the air conditioning is on and the puke in the hall from the kid who drank hot milk is cleaned up.
Who knew that old Mr.Harold was not merely a janitor who let you light your cigarettes off his cigar stub but an honest to goodness educator
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Things have changed as time has gone by, not necessarily for the better. In our day some of the most important of life's lessons were taught by the school's janitor. Today the school's housekeepers have very limited interaction with the students.
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I have never thought so much about my job title before I read this thread.
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Really??
I've seen and appreciated many of your posts over the time I've been on this forum.
Just took a gander at your profile.
"Graphic Arts Pre Press Technician"
More commonly known in the trade as a stripper.
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Not quite.
Pre press tech is the guy that installs, maintains and repairs the equipment the stripper uses.
Don't have an artistic bone in my body.
Process cameras, film processors, UV lights for color separation, plate exposure and of course, plate processors.
Sorry my post offended you, but I call 'em as I see 'em.
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