Does it seem really strange to anyone else that a majority portion of the refugees flooding into Europe are military age males rather than women and children. Think about it! If you were of military age, your country was involved in a civil war, ISSI was a threat to you and your family, guns were readily available on the street and you were young and full of c--; would you run away or would you stay and fight? If you really wanted freedom, why not get some at the point of a gun yourself.

This is kinda like a SHTF scenario you guys always like to talk about. It just seems really suspicious to me that you have all these young dudes heading for Europe, yes, and the US as well.

Why aren't they motivated to fight for their own rights? Is this more of that entitlement thinking. Mexico falls into an almost similar category with the corruption there. I, just for the life of me, can't put my head into their mindset.

Personally, I'd want to get a gun and get a little payback thing going on. I sure wouldn't be running and hiding in Poland, Germany or Greece. Even under to best of circumstances, you'd be just another outcast sitting on the sidelines, depending on a government handout and the goodwill of strangers.

Educate me, maybe there is something I'm not seeing.

The problem for them in their culture is they are "expendable", not collateral damage, simply expendable. I think it's simple desire of the will to live.

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Maybe it's working age males because they are the most likely to gain employment in their new country and they realize that. Assuming what you say is factual. I haven't done an exhaustive search, but with a quick one I can't find any sort of demographic data that sorts these folks by age or sex. Since each country involved (Turkey has by far the most) is responding differently, who's doing the counting? Do you have a link?

You might entertain the notion that the majority of people in these countries are actually just ordinary folks who prefer living in peace and surviving instead of picking up a gun and joining the madness to "get a little payback", whatever that is. It's hell in a place like Syria, with only bad choices to fight for. It's easy to judge people and sound tough sitting at a keyboard somewhere in one of the safest countries in the world.

I better stay outta this'n.......I don't feel like spending any time in banned camp.

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I think the countries that are taking in the majority of the "young military aged men" are going to have to fight for their lives.

I worked in that part of the world (with locals) for years. I've been watching the news. Looks like lots of younger men in the mix. I've not seen stats, but the crowds are what they are. Like the guy that tossed his wife and child onto the railroad tracks, past the police, so he could "protect" them from the police, and create a scene for the film crews.

Not sure I will put out the welcome mat for folks like that.

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Every time there was civil war/war/fighting/death and destruction there have been massive amounts of refugees. Most people think independently not collectively. It's not "let's band TOGETHER and fight" but instead it's "I want to live". How many Jews left or tried to eave Europe in ww2? Balkan refugees, African refugees (counting all civil wars).....it's just a matter of fact, normal people want to be where it's stable

The thing that amazes me is how apparently easy they got from A to B.
Look at the map.
There are several countries and a long ways from A to B.
Funny we don't see-hear anything about that part of the trip.
It's only after they get to Europe.

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There's no good side to join.ISIS or the Alawites are evil.And then,do you send the women and kids on their own?

For perspective, one might add that the majority of "young military-aged men" in this country probably couldn't fight their way out of a girl scout meeting these days, unless it was a computer game.
Okay, I better shut up now.

I haven't always sat on my butt in one of the safest countries on earth. As a matter of fact, I spent 24 years protecting that country. I just don't understand the mindset that accepts the status guo or runs as a solution to having to live under the worst possible conditions. Payback would be administered to those that put me and mine in that situation.

There is no resupply, support, training, communication, or even running water...and you want these folks to mount a suicidal 'payback' campaign against a state-sponsored or other organized force?

I understand the desire, but the reality of keeping their family alive is likely a greater motivator.

Lots of people don't want to fight, particularly if they're outnumbered, and the odds are against them. Many chose another option. It was quite a while back but my folks were both Tories and Quakers (pacifists). In 1776 they were outnumbered and went to Canada. My Great Grandfather was a Canadian citizen but finally emigrated to the US and became a US citizen.

Throughout world history, people have risen up against tyranny, many times against overwhelming odds. The GI's and Filipinos against the Japs in WWII, the resistance against the Germans in France, Holland, Poland, etc. The Israelis against the Brits after WWII, the list goes on and on. Gee, no major supplies or reinforcements, in many cases very few weapons to start with. The difference is motivation, willpower and guts.

According to the news footage I've seen, 85% of the refugees making it to Europe are single males under forty.

Personal opinion.....These young military-age men are not fleeing anything. They are infiltrating. It is a wonderfully written script that media from the West will promote and abet. Prepare for dire times ahead.

The numbers last promoted showed 75% were adult males, 12% were adult women and 13% children.

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You see refugees but you dont see those who are staying. Some just want peace and if they find it elsewhere, then they should go. Are you going to judge all the Jews that left europe in WW2? People want different things in life and theyre not always what you want.

Are you less of a man because you move your family to a safer place? Is it so bad that one chooses life over fighting with the possibility of death?

All depends on the person

If everybody does this, soon there will be no safe places.
Safe places only exist because folks have put themselves at risk to make them that way.

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So far so good.. lets keep off the edge



JUst a reminder nothing more. In general.. Remember- opinions will differ. Get over it. State your opinion calmly, and allow others to state theirs. Discussion will be fine, but there is no need to take a thread into a verbal fistfight or shouting match

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I have been following this on both BBC and the Manchester Guardian, both have web sites. In Hungary the Syrians battled police not to stay in Hungary but to make it to Germany for greater benefits. 20,000 arrived in Munich in one day. Europe is in for decades of turmoil. I believe that there should be distribution of anyone coming here so they are unable to form self supporting communities which will not assimalate with the general population. One of my coworkers great grand father came over from Sweden in the teens and bought a dictionary with his first paycheck to learn English and become part of the community. It is not a valid plan to allow a group to become so separate that they never overcome the problems they bring with them. That said there many divisions which could use improvement but why bring in more?

Let me see if I can spell it out for you by answering some of your key observations:
"Personally, I'd want to get a gun and get a little payback thing going on" Don't worry, they'll be doing just that, only they're coming to here and Europe to do that, against us...

"I sure wouldn't be running and hiding in Poland, Germany or Greece." Yeah, well, you just might be, before this is all over with...

"maybe there is something I'm not seeing" Don't worry, they'll educate you soon enough. They'll school ALL of us, if we let them (and we seem to be hell bent on doing just that...)

Sheesh! Imagine if the colonial patriots fled further west instead of standing up to the British.

Just saw where only 1 in 5 are from Syria. The rest are from other Muzy countries. The U.S. is supposedly going to take thousands of these invaders at a cost of billions of our dollars. Our Gov. is run by pure idiots. But these idiots will not have to find another job because of the invaders taking theirs. This is exactly the reason why I have no use for the nuts running the country. They have NOT done their job. They should all be in a workhouse somewhere ala Cool Hand Luke. And if you think there is a difference between a Dem or Rep I am afraid that you are sadly mistaken. Nothing is going to change. I fear it is too late. JM2CW And by the way-got beans and bullets?

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Women and children are not much above property over there.

Don't take my word for it but I have heard from retired marines that those over there who don't carry an AK are pretty cowardly and will save themselves over a women or child any day.

My intentions are not to insult them, hope I don't get thrown in the pokey for that.

It takes a leader to motivate them and support to keep them supplied and trained and such. Without direction they would just be an armed mod against a trained army and be exterminated in no time.

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In nearly all the TV and online video footage, the vast majority of the crowd is as described, able bodied males and between 16 and 40.

Considering the terrain and seas that must be crossed to get to where the media eventually see them, I don't find this too surprising. However, are a few of them ISIS infiltrators? Quite probably IMHO.

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