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Anyone who's interested, Sundance channel is showing Enemy At The Gates tomorrow, Oct. 16 at 11:15am. It's also on on the 17th and 22nd. Already have my DVR set.

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Fantastic "sleeper" movie !!
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Fantastic "sleeper" movie !!
Who's interested in what happened in a Russian winter back in the 1940s?

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I saw it when it first came out. Even though it has shown up numerous times since on TV, that one time was enough for me. I haven't even seen "American Sniper" yet.
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Seen it a few times. Every time they stick a love story in a war movie it drops a few notches for me.

I understand the need for a story line because otherwise it becomes a documentary. But it seems like they always fall back on a love triangle. Remember the movie Pearl Harbor in the late 90s/early 00s?

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Some stuff made up by the writer of the book/movie. No ''Major'' Konigs ever existed as a sniper school's instructor. Also Zaietsev never engaged a German officer counterpart in a ''sniper duel''.

The closest the Germans ever came to having a high-ranking German officer sniping anywhere near the front was a Knights Cross Recipient and Oberstleutnant. I have a Heinrich Hoffmann propaganda kompanie press photo of this officer whose name I can't think of off hand? Also, there wasnt a sniper school located in Zossen. That said, I liked the movie even if historically inaccurate.

Now I remember the ObstLts last name, Heidschmidt---who BTW, survived the war and was never near Zaietsev--or Stalingrad for that matter.
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Seen it a few times. Every time they stick a love story in a war movie it drops a few notches for me.

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Agreed. This movie was ruined for me by the awful love story in it. The guy's weepy girl pleading with him not to go (to the war). Sure, he didn't actually HAVE to go. Then she could have visited him at Leavenworth prison every month or so for several years.
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I don't think any movie involving war or crime and/or guns should ever be made unless it is 100% accurate down to the last detail.

In other words, don't make any movies so forum posters will forever be happy.

(And that includes Westerns, especially those starring John Wayne. None should have ever have been made. )
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But...didn't they use '92 Winchesters and Colt Peacemakers in Enemy?

Opps, wrong movie that would have been any western John Wayne was in....even the ones depicted before the Civil War...

no real sniper would use a '92 Winchester...silly me!

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That movie sold a LOT of surplus Mosin Nagants they could barely give away before it came out.

Have you checked the price on them lately?
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In terms of people involved and affected, and casualty numbers, the Eastern front dwarfs every other theater of World War II. Considering that, any effort to portray that struggle is worth giving the benefit of the doubt.

"Enemy at the Gates" has its issues. The love story is mercifully on the sidelines, a bit contrived but not unrealistic. The CGI air attacks actually bug me every time. Ed Harris is a great actor, including here, he's just not a particularly convincing German. Bob Hoskins as Khrushchev, on the other hand, is fantastic. The problems with historical accuracy, such as the fictional major, were created and re-told in books long before the script writers took up the story.

The movie was entirely filmed in Germany. The external Stalingrad set was filmed in two abandoned old East German industrial complexes, which gives it a nice authentic atmosphere (ironically, for external scenes of war-ravaged Berlin in 1945 in the German movie "Downfall" about the end of Hitler, made several years later, the producers filmed in Leningrad).
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My wife likes the movie and cheers for the ordnance...if it hits either a German or a Russian, she considers it a win (she is from Poland).
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Have it on dvd. Excellent movie other than a sex scene that does not enhance the movie at all.
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How would we know what actually happened? Who are you believing, the Germans or Soviets?
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This was a great movie; particularly interesting to me since I own one of the Russian Mosin-Nagant M1891/30 PU sniper rifles. This was the type portrayed in the movie as used by "Vasily Zaitsev" (a real person in the Great Patriotic War). The movie does give you a great feel for the conditions of the war for the Soviets, although the dual between Zaitsev and German Major Konig is believed to be fiction in spite of conflicting claims.

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Have you checked the price on them lately?
Yep, and at gun shows here, the guy I buy from sells them for about $135. My nephew bought one from him I wanted which had a hex barrel.
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Opps, wrong movie that would have been any western John Wayne was in....even the ones depicted before the Civil War...

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