My cousin, a California native who still lives there, sent me these new proposed and recently enacted laws for the state. Don't they make you want to pick-up and move to the state because you will be so safe with all of the these type of laws so everyone can walk around freely with $100 bills sticking out of each pocket!

Proposed Laws:

AB 156- (McCarty) Ammunition Regulation. Requires background checks for ammunition purchasers, licenses to sell ammunition, and collection of sale information. Restrictions on ammunition purchases, creates a DOJ database of ammunition owners. Bans internet / out of state ammunition purchase.

AB 857- (Cooper) Ghost Gun Registration. Requires a person to get a serial number from DOJ before making or assembling a gun. Retroactively requires serial numbers to be placed on (some or numbers of) firearms dating back to 1899.

AB 1135- (Levine, Ting) Bullet Buttons. Redefines assault weapons to encompass specified guns capable of accepting any type of detachable magazine. Bans common and constitutionally protected firearms that have magazine locking devices. (Update 7/8/16: Signed by governor.)

AB 1511- (Santiago) Gun Lending. Limits infrequent lending of guns to specified family members. Formerly dealt with energy conservation, but now criminalizes loaning of firearms between personally known, law-abiding adults, including sportsmen and women. (Update 7/8/16: Signed by governor.)

AB 1664- (Levine-D) Firearms: Assault Weapons. This bill would define "detachable magazine" to mean an ammunition feeding device that can be removed readily from the firearm without disassembly of the firearm action, including an ammunition feeding device that can be removed readily from the firearm with the use of a tool.

AB 1673- (Gipson-D) Firearms: Unfinished Frame or Receiver. This bill would expand the definition of "firearm" for other purposes to include an unfinished frame or receiver that can be readily converted to the functional condition of a finished frame or receiver. (Update 7/8/16: Vetoed by governor.)

AB 1674- (Santiago-D) Firearms: Waiting Period. This bill would make the current 30-day prohibition on handguns applicable to all types of firearms. (Update 7/8/16: Vetoed by governor.)

AB 1695- (Bonta-D) Firearms: Notice to Purchasers: False Reports of Stolen Firearms. This bill would make it a misdemeanor to report to a local law enforcement agency that a firearm has been lost or stolen, knowing that report to be false. (Update 7/8/16: Signed by governor.)

__________________
Bill

I would no more live in California than I'd live in North Korea or Iran, and guns are only a part of it.

I lived in SF for about six months in 1976 through early 1977.

I will say it was a great place for a straight 24 year old man to meet women.

It's a shame that a state of such natural beauty and wonder now leaves me in a state of wonder.

__________________
642-1, M&P15 TS

What a shame in a "free country". There's about to be a lot more "criminals" in Kalifornistan.

__________________
Inconsistently consistent

California is one of the prettiest places on the planet, minus the people. Too bad. I moved there in 1990 and actually enjoyed it. By the late 90s it was degrading so fast I felt trapped and broke. Finally got to the point that I left. Haven't looked back. When my travels take me through there, it usually takes all of about 24hours to remind me why I left.

I feel the same way about Chiraq, beautiful architecture ruined.

I never liked that show, "Life After People"... except the episode about Chicago.

Kali: Im not ""really"" promoting breaking (VERY stupid) laws but--if most LEs dont enforce it? the inmates in charge will never know whats going on? The wise ones who live there SHOULD do a friendly show of force to maybe-just maybe, show the idiots in charge they are sick of their freedoms being infringed upon. We did that here in Texas-and guess what? partly coming from that--we have open carry.

If the residents in Kali dont want to stand up and do something about stopping that insanity? all I can say is--tough noodles to them for not doing anything.

W O W

Enough said

...politicians are a direct reflection of the voters that elected them...I have no doubt the majority of Californians agree with the gun laws there...

__________________
A Country Boy Can Survive

One of my sons moved to California as he is the owner of a coral importing firm. I wonder just where I failed as a father?

I once gave my son my .243 Sako Forrester and a Mossberg slug gun with which he took a beautiful 8 point whitetail. Those guns are in my safe here on the east coast rather than have the hassle of shipping them to the land of fruits, nuts and flakes. Problem is, NYS is slowly playing catch-up and soon, I'll have to remove all my guns from the New York State of Insanity.

"............the land of fruits and nuts........."

We are talking oranges and almonds ....... right!!!!!!!

Sounds like a whole lot of lemons and the nuts are making fruitcakes.

I would like to hear just how any of these laws will actually reduce gun crimes. If somebody in government there believes this I have a method to convert lead into 14k gold and they can have first dibbs on the idea for just 100 million.

What trade gold for paper dollars ...... are you from California????

...gun laws have nothing to do with crime or safety...they are punishment inflicted on political rivals...no more...no less...

__________________
A Country Boy Can Survive

Beautiful state. I think they are the largest producer of produce in the nation. That's something to be proud off. But me live there heck to the no!!! My biggest concern is how far away are we from becoming like them? I mean with the upcoming elections.

__________________
S&WCA #3012

its is the future vision of a Clinton society, cant wait to retire and move out of the state

The late Chicago Times syndicated columnist Mike Royko said it best:

"We should make California into it's own country. Put up a big wall around it and put psychiatrists at the gates. We could still have trade with them, we could buy their wine and sell them strait jackets."

That last one is scary, they are thinking ahead now.What a waste of a State.

No way in hell I could live that way.

__________________
Oh well, what the hell.

Geee, why is it the word "tyranny" comes to mind. Oh, I hope that wasn't too political.

__________________
Wayne
Torn & Frayed

Daughter lives there and is in law enforcement area, not a cop. She is pretty pro gun, attends pro gun events.
I would not live there. Besides the terrible gun laws, there is the issue of taxes. They are horrendous.

There are petitions at all the guns shops against these proposals. Jerry Brown has switched his tune where he was against many of these and now he is for. Big surprise.

Recently there has been smash and grab break-ins at many of the local gunshops. Hundreds of guns now in the hands of criminals. One major gunshop put in concrete road barricades in front of the sidewalk to the door so that would not happen. The police chief and city is all up in arms that it "looks ugly" and isn't permitted instead of being more concerned about preventing gun thefts by criminals. Customers have suggested painting them and adding some hanging plants to make them more attractive.

it is sad because this is a beautiful state, but we will run from CA as soon as we can.

This for me as well ^^^
You couldn't pay me to stay in California for more than a week.
I might visit someday but would not even consider living in
Govenor Moonbeams state.


Chuck

__________________
They hold no Quarter

Another california bashing thread.

At least no one has yet suggested an earthquake drag California into the Pacific Ocean thereby killing millions including me and mine. It's true that some have given up and moved away from the anti 2a politics. I can afford to move and retire in most any other state of my choice. However, I for one choose to remain and continue the fight. We may eventually loose most of our gun rights, but not without causing all the pain we can towards the enemy.

The key to gun rights in California and the rest of the nation as well will eventually come down to this November's national election and a half dozen swing states. The SCOTUS appointments following will decide for all of us. I promise to do my part and fight for the common cause of all responsible gun owners.

I was borne and raised in central California by parents that migrated here from the Oklahoma dust bowl during the great depression. I'm not going anywhere!

Both of my sisters and all of my nieces & nephews lived in CA at one time. Most (6 of 8) of the nieces & nephews have now moved to AZ.

My sisters do still keep their mid-western values and are not tree hugging libs and don't care for the political climate of the state but at their ages I don't see them leaving. But maybe, as not many of their grandkids are in CA.

You didnt fail--the school indoctrination system apparently worked?

We have plenty of room here in Texas if you feel like staking out a homestead of your own.

Your point is?????

Sounds like something Paul Harvey might say.

Not to forget the roster of approved safe handguns slowly strangling and limiting and eventually forbidding the sale of new handguns. Not that LE or politicians are impeded by this roster, they can buy anything they want, so safety appears to be a label with no bearing, after all, if it's unsafe, how can LE or politicians buy them?

Don't forget the lead ammo ban either.

The D party controls this State, this is their utopia.

Can't ban the guns, go after the ammo and restrict what makes a gun a gun.

*******s!

In your opinion and realistically what are the chances of the petitions being circulated getting on the ballot and actually resulting in overturning that latest bunch of "gun laws" your legislators enacted there?
Jim

Maybe that'll happen someday?

Petitions will likely make the ballot. Not sure of the vote outcome.
Most if not all of the newly singed laws are unconstitutional and will be decided by the courts. The 9th district is already stacked against us. That makes this November's national election and SCOTUS appointments the determining factor. We need to make the stand here and now!
All of us!

It's a geographically gorgeous place to reside.
Politically/financially? Grrrr. Not so much, for quite a long time.

SF born, as was my dad (RIP); Nor Cal zone all my 60 years, following in Pops' footsteps!
Me? SF Bay area resident and the last 15 or so in Sacramento.
As a mid 50's kid on the Peninsula, I've had a front-row seat watching it all come to pass.
SF and the Bay Area was quite the thing of beauty in the 60's!
No longer, if you ONLY view the political and financial psychoses.

Self and 3 younger sibs all reside within a couple hours of each other, as do my two daughters and husbands.
My crew is my crew!
Sac to Santa Cruz!
We each live well and comfortably. No McMansions for my crew!

Movin' out?
Not me, at least not at this point. Too entrenched and too much work to get packed and out. Health issues and finances kinda dictate on that one.

I've watched Kali spiral down the drain hole into the nanny state it has become. Increasingly painful, and now outright disgusting.
After the recent Massachusetts AG 'AR Ban' proclamation and Kali following with these Moonbeam bills?
(They're referred to out here as 'Gunmaggedon'.)
The 2A universe is getting rocked and bombed by the political enablers who want more 'control' over the free-thinkers.
NOT "Safety"; "CONTROL".
You think Moonbeam is a problem?
Beware up-and-coming Lt Gov. Gavin Newsome!
Sheesh!
On a par or WORSE than that female thang now runnin' for POTUS.

I've had connections with pistols for a long while, off and on.
Picked up a Shield 9 earlier this year.
Never owned a long gun; have shot a bunch my brother owns.
22's, 22 Mag, a 6.5 and a 308 Mauser and his G3.
Mostly all bolts and a few semi autos.
Fun stuff!!!
And shotguns.

With the new 'law passages', I opted/jumped in to the AR 15 universe. Sport II.
Me LIKEEE!
Late to the AR 15 party, but if I don't buy now, I may not be able to later.
(My brother picked up his first AR 15 around the same time.)

I'm currently stocking up on ample quantities of needed parts, additions and such that will hold out for my future; whether they be on site or not.
Along with needed tools that will assist me in repair and configurations.

UTube vids about the 2A universe of cleaning, fixing, changing, maintaining one's varied caliber pieces have become more and more on my view list; network TV ain't worth much of a spit anymore.

I know of Kali areas and have connections there that I can head to if the s*** really does hit the fan.

Both self and my brother have signed all the petitions to get this garbage at least placed on hold so it can get onto the ballot.
I have seen countless folks at different Sac locations lining up and signing.

Crossing fingers that those of us us who've been Kali-'fornicators', quietly sheltering under the rocks and shoals, have had enough of this 'poor victims' garbage to get out and vote our minds to take care of at least our State bizness.
We're up against the 9th Circuit clown-fest...

Hoping also that the LEGION of the NATIONAL 2A mind-set folks come out from under and vote it so our soon-to-be-appointed Supreme Court doesn't just Nationally strip the 2A out from under ALL of us.

Can the 2A 'Argonauts' come out of our dirt and rise again?
(C'mon; Roy Harryhausen: "Jason and the Argonauts"!)

Dice roll, politically, at this point.
I'll just keep stockin' up and vote my mind when the times come.

I was stationed at Camp Pendleton from 1974-1976 and that was enough to kill any thoughts of living in Kalifornia.If it was bad then I cant even imagine what it is like now.

Born and raised in California. Still live here. The gun laws are just one issue that is hurting us. The democrats have controlled this state for so long and have had control over all three branches of government.

What is worse than the gun laws (hard to believe) is the business climate here. So many restrictions, rules, permits, and regulations required here. Everything from energy cap and trade, EPA (and the California equivalents CARB, AQMD) CalOSHA, and high taxes. The latest one being a tax on receivables, not even profits! Businesses are moving out of the state left and right. This effects the small businesses such as my own. I have lost many customers that are either moving out of state, or moving production offshore.

There was a time when California was king. Aerospace industry was based mostly here in Southern California. Let's hope that people have had enough and return to the way it was.

However even this year there isn't a republican running for Barbara Boxers senate seat. There are two Democrats on the ballet. The majority of people here in California just don't get it.

California taxation is legendary. For a company that operates in all 50 states, California and Massachusetts maybe responsible for 25-33% of their administrative cost.